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Old 03-14-2002, 06:12 PM
DoggyStyle82 DoggyStyle82 is offline
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Distinctions

How do people feel about what makes their Organization distinctive?

What makes a frat/sorority distinctive?

Are you protective of those distinctions?

Do they really matter or are they trivial?


Because I was MADE (yes, made) before intake and when distinctions among the Great 8 were more pronounced, I still hold on to them, protect them, even cherish them. I remeber when I could guess 8 of 10 times which org someone belong to after a 5 min conversation. I still hold onto everything that makes Omega different from the other 4 fraternities, especially in these days of easy membership.

Anyone care to offer an opinion? Greek or Non-Greek
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Old 03-14-2002, 11:28 PM
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Cool what makes us distinct

I feel what chu sayin'. I take pride in what sets my frat apart from the others too; but I've also noticed that the distinctions today are growing fewer nationally. Like you, I'm an old dog too-traditionally made; and I think the distinctions were greatly impacted when the nphc allowed the states to define hazing across cultural lines.
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Old 03-15-2002, 02:11 PM
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I, like you team, was made pre intake and I have always had a knack for knowing what fraternity/sorority someone is in.We all have a distinction. The funny thing is How a certain organization sees itself is sometimes a little different than how outsiders see them. As you may know many people look at us as being WILD,CRAZY,LOUD,ROUGH. This in many instances is true but what these outsiders don't realize is while we are Wild,crazy ect. We are also some of the best Ph Ds, Attorneys,Judges,activist,scientist. And the best distintion I've every heard about us from a GDI was We are GREAT fathers and homemakers! ( Yes you heard it folks the bruhs of the mighty purple and gold are great fathers and homemakers)
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Old 03-15-2002, 04:21 PM
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What makes Zeta Distinctive: Finer Womanhood and Sisterly Love.

Yes I am very protective!

They matter!

I was not made pre 90 so I can't speak on anything other than my chapter(of initiation's) culture and history and we've always been Finer Women since our charter date of April 2, 1978, but from my limited exp. (of almost 7 years) I havent seen nething elsewhere that would lead me to believe otherwise in other chapters.

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Old 03-15-2002, 04:54 PM
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I, like you team, was made pre intake and I have always had a knack for knowing what fraternity/sorority someone is in.We all have a distinction. The funny thing is How a certain organization sees itself is sometimes a little different than how outsiders see them. As you may know many people look at us as being WILD,CRAZY,LOUD,ROUGH. This in many instances is true but what these outsiders don't realize is while we are Wild,crazy ect. We are also some of the best Ph Ds, Attorneys,Judges,activist,scientist. And the best distintion I've every heard about us from a GDI was We are GREAT fathers and homemakers! ( Yes you heard it folks the bruhs of the mighty purple and gold are great fathers and homemakers)

Very perceptive Bruh. One thing that really attracted me to Omega was that I met some very distinguished and reputable men while in high school who happened to be Omegas. They were professional and had families, yet they could be OWT as a muther, talked big ish and had big fun. They knew when to be Omega Men and when to be Que Dogs. I like the fact that essentially, Steve Harvey and Jesse Jackson are the same Bruh that could be on line with you or I.
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Old 03-15-2002, 05:17 PM
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Re: Distinctions

[QUOTE]Originally posted by DoggyStyle82
How do people feel about what makes their Organization distinctive?

Let's examine exactly what the word distinctive means by definition:
1 a : serving to distinguish b : having or giving style or distinction
2 : capable of making a segment of utterance different in meaning as well as in sound from an otherwise identical utterance

With this in mind, I believe my Soror PrettyKitty has defined most appropriately Zeta Phi Beta Sorority's most distinctive characteristics. WE ARE THE SORORITY OF FINER WOMEN WHO ARE AND GIVE SISTERLY LOVE.



What makes a frat/sorority distinctive?
On the surface, I think this question is too vague to answer with any real substance. If you want to know what makes MY Sorority distinctive, examine our principles, our programs, our history, our pattern of expansion, and the answer to the first question.

Are you protective of those distinctions?
I am very protective of my Sorority's distinctions, and it is at times unsettling to see others claiming to be 'Finer' or any adjective that resembles "Finer"or touting sisterly love. I know my Founders were clear when they used the words "sisterly love" to describe who/what we are in terms of the forward notion of the action. All Sororities are sisterhoods by definition...but NOT all Sororities are charged with the action of sisterly love.

Do they really matter or are they trivial?
It matters most to us who continue to carry the torch. I believe its important to understand the differences. It certainly speaks to a place for us to be proud of our legacy. But I think its even more important to understand that on a our common ground at the core ...as a sisterhood and as a brotherhood, as a people, we who give respect to one another without regard to colors, letters or other such distinctions, we can serve the community more.

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Old 03-15-2002, 05:22 PM
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well stated Soror
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Old 03-16-2002, 01:31 AM
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I think that all our orgs are distinctive in some way. However, I am adamant that an organization's stereotypes are not synonymous with its distinction.

For example, bruhs are perceived a certain way; some perceptions are accurate and others are not. But when someone says "So and so is a Que Dog," automatically there is a characterization of that person based on experience and stereotype. But I'll be the first to tell you that bruhs are a diverse bunch, and there is no one perception that characterizes each of us. For example, I know you all have seen this picture below. This is a stereotypical picture of a bruh. Now if you have seen the other org's pictures by the same artist, they are all in suits and evening gowns. They all have a professional look. Then you see the Que pic below, and he looks like some thugged out, muscle head brutha. Now don't get me wrong, I don't dislike the pic, but being a member in this organization allows me to see things in it's proper context. I mean, let's think about it. When you hear Que, do you think: butt naked at the party with a brand on his ass hoppin to Atomic Dog? Or do you think of a man, a scholar, and someone who respects womanhood?

So I guess after all that, I've come up with a question rather than making the point I intended to make. And that question is: When we think of what makes an org distinct, are we really just thinking of stereotypes? Not in definition, but in practical, everyday terms. A stereotype can make one distinct. A distinction can become a stereotype. Perhaps the answer is that a stereotype is a distinction on crack!

For example:
Stereotype: All Black folks love them some fried chicken and watermelon. All of us can dance and are better athletes.
Distinction: Go to any picnic or casual social function held by black folks, I bet you there'll be some chicken there! And we all know most of us have more rhythm than other ethnic groups. And as far as athletics, have you seen an NBA or NFL game lately? Pele in soccer. Tiger in Golf. Althea, Zina, Venus, Serena, and Arthur in tennis. And I won't even start with the Olympics....
But guess what? I, a black man, HATE watermelon. I know a ton of brothers who can't dance for $hit. And for every world class athlete we have, there are hundreds who have no athletic ability. Ya'll see my point?

Here's my opinion: The things that make my org, Que Psi, distinctive can be summed up in two words: tenacity and enthusiasm. And those same distinctions can be bastardized into stereotypes.

I'm sure ya'll will have some response to this. That's why Greek chat is the shiznit. Doggy, team, once again, your topic is a good one.

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Old 03-16-2002, 10:42 AM
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Re: Re: Distinctions

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Finer Woman10-A-91
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Originally posted by DoggyStyle82
How do people feel about what makes their Organization distinctive?

Let's examine exactly what the word distinctive means by definition:
1 a : serving to distinguish b : having or giving style or distinction
2 : capable of making a segment of utterance different in meaning as well as in sound from an otherwise identical utterance

With this in mind, I believe my Soror PrettyKitty has defined most appropriately Zeta Phi Beta Sorority's most distinctive characteristics. WE ARE THE SORORITY OF FINER WOMEN WHO ARE AND GIVE SISTERLY LOVE.



What makes a frat/sorority distinctive?
On the surface, I think this question is too vague to answer with any real substance. If you want to know what makes MY Sorority distinctive, examine our principles, our programs, our history, our pattern of expansion, and the answer to the first question.

Are you protective of those distinctions?
I am very protective of my Sorority's distinctions, and it is at times unsettling to see others claiming to be 'Finer' or any adjective that resembles "Finer"or touting sisterly love. I know my Founders were clear when they used the words "sisterly love" to describe who/what we are in terms of the forward notion of the action. All Sororities are sisterhoods by definition...but NOT all Sororities are charged with the action of sisterly love.

Do they really matter or are they trivial?
It matters most to us who continue to carry the torch. I believe its important to understand the differences. It certainly speaks to a place for us to be proud of our legacy. But I think its even more important to understand that on a our common ground at the core ...as a sisterhood and as a brotherhood, as a people, we who give respect to one another without regard to colors, letters or other such distinctions, we can serve the community more.

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Thanks for answering the questions. I'm sorry if they are vague but your answers seemed to be specific enough and gives a reader the insight that the questions were derived for.

Dinstinctions don't divide people, they differentiate them. I appreciate the "distinctions" (especially the older, traditional ones) of each org and they don't cause any division in my mind.
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Old 03-16-2002, 10:54 AM
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Stereotypes and distinctions can be similar, but I'm not looking for physical stereotypes. The culture of each org imbues a standard through selection of people with certain qualities and then acculterates them into that "standard". You summed up Omega in one word. A Que is always enthusiastic. That is what the culture dictates. Just as FINERWOMAN of ZPB said, ZETAS set out to endeavor to be Finer Women.
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Old 03-17-2002, 02:49 PM
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excuse me as i interject...

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For example, I know you all have seen this picture below. This is a stereotypical picture of a bruh. Now if you have seen the other org's pictures by the same artist, they are all in suits and evening gowns. They all have a professional look. Then you see the Que pic below, and he looks like some thugged out, muscle head brutha. Now don't get me wrong, I don't dislike the pic, but being a member in this organization allows me to see things in it's proper context. I mean, let's think about it. When you hear Que, do you think: butt naked at the party with a brand on his ass hoppin to Atomic Dog? Or do you think of a man, a scholar, and someone who respects womanhood?

this is something that i have noticed too. and of course i am not a member of Omega Psi Phi Fraternity, Inc., but i have several family members who are (the only greek men in my family are Omegas and if i had my way, there'd be no other way ). i took exception to this picture for the reasons you stated...
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Old 03-17-2002, 03:06 PM
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I am dating an Omega who I dare say is not "enthusiastic". He is driven. He has a super personality...and maybe when he was younger "enthusiastic" would have been a great adjective to describe him. I also have family members who are Omegas as well...again, "enthusiastic" is not the word I would use to describe them either. (These men were made in the 70's!) But then again, none of these men refer to themselves as "Ques" either. Go figure.


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Stereotypes and distinctions can be similar, but I'm not looking for physical stereotypes. The culture of each org imbues a standard through selection of people with certain qualities and then acculterates them into that "standard". You summed up Omega in one word. A Que is always enthusiastic. That is what the culture dictates. Just as FINERWOMAN of ZPB said, ZETAS set out to endeavor to be Finer Women.
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