White or Homosexual members

[Dexter]

I know that this is a serious question but let me ask all orgs, How do you feel about White or even Homosexual people joining your organization?

[Dexter]

I just found out that this question was already raised. I had to go back 16 pages to find it. So let me revise my question. Can YOU see yourself gripping, Stepping or locking up with someone who is either non african american or homosexual. If so, do you think it affects the image of your organization in the eyes of outsiders?

[delph998]

Dexter,

That's a VERY good question. This might cause some serious tension, but, I feel that discriminating against non-blacks would be foul. First that person needs to understand that they're getting involved with a predominately black organization that does most of its public service activities in the black community. I know several caucassion sorors who are OWT, ya heard!! Someone who chooses to be homosexual, well, I don't know about all that. Personally, I feel that someone's sexual preference doesn't reflect how productive they would be in the organization, so I don't think I would discriminate in that area either. But it's hard to talk on that without stepping on any toes. But I know MANY sorors that hold high positions that are lesbians. Ultimately, we can't barr them from the organization. That also doesn't mean that I agree with their sexual preference, but we can't say "NO, because you're gay/lesbian." That's another form of discrimination. I'm sure fraternities might have a difference of opinion on that one!

That's all!

[AKA2D '91]

Originally posted by Dexter
I just found out that this question was already raised. I had to go back 16 pages to find it. So let me revise my question. Can YOU see yourself gripping, Stepping or locking up with someone who is either non african american or homosexual. If so, do you think it affects the image of your organization in the eyes of outsiders?

REGARDING HOMOSEXUALS: I'm not knocking it for those who are, it's your business what your preference(s) is/are. But the thing we have to realize is HOW many homosexuals have we gripped, hugged, stepped, or locked up with and don't even know it? Let me break it down even more, what about our friends that we have done all of that with who are gay/lesbian and we don't even know about it? Will that affect our image of them? (that's another subject...lol) Shucks, the leaders of our organizations could be gay/lesbian, who knows?


RE: Non- African Americans: I have seen non-AA sorors, but have never personally met one. I know they exist. I'm not even gonna sit here and lie, yeah, it's kind of strange hearing about it. Coming from a HBCU where it was basically unheard of non-AA (basically WHITE) coming through the organizations, it is a hard pill to swallow because I'm not familiar with that, not even on the graduate level. But, that's something I must do, if I ever come into contact with a NON-AA Soror. We are apart of the same organization, we share common goals as far as the organization is concerned, so I must accept the fact that she is a Soror and let it be that.

IMHO, of course...

[Ideal08]

I haven't had the experience of running into a gay soror (to my knowledge), but I can't see how I would really care. I just don't care, you uphold your pledge, you cool with me. I have bigger fish to fry, lol.

Now, I will admit, the non-AA members, that used to just confuse me, because I couldn't understand WHY they would want to join. But then, I don't know these women or where they grew up or anything. So how can I question their motives? I did meet a White soror at our regional conference this past spring, and I was just so taken aback by the whole thing at first. See, I can sit here and talk a bunch of mess of how a soror is a soror is a soror, but when I saw her (her whole chapter really, they all looked iffy), I was like, "Ummm." And that's all I could really say to myself. However, before the conference was over, I introduced myself to her and gave her a hug, because she IS my soror, and I bet she has a hard time a lot, so I wanted to kinda make her feel welcome.

Why a soror being a lesbian wouldn't bother me, but this soror being White did, I don't really know. Maybe because I have no beef with homosexuals. I do tend to have beef with White people from time to time, but I'm sure y'all can understand that.

[fatto]

HELL NO!!!

I've found in recent years, that the best way to get bros. to agree with you is to quote the history book:

"To the negroes who marched onward and upward toward the light, this volume is respectfully dedicated."

(For those of you that don't know, that was the dedication which has been modified since the integration of the frat.)

And for the homothug issue, in what way does homosexuality fulfill "manly deeds." I know the love for all MANkind part wouldn't be hard

[Tibi]

It's funny how on the general boards alot of HBGLO members are so anti racisist but post a topic like this and the real truth comes out.....

[delph998]

I knew the response would be different for a male's perspective.

That's all I wanted to say!

[Professor]

For the record, BGLO do not - well - Should Not practice Discrimination!!! - - - race and sexual preference "Should Not" be an issue. I know gay Brothers and have even visited a white Brother (I thought he was just very light when we first met and did not realize until after I saw the pictures of his parents on his wall that he was white - lol)!

I think a member of Delta Sigma Theta responded in previous thread best "What does sexuality or race have to do with community service"


We have hashed this very sensitive issue before. In fact, I have already received requests to close the thread. However, I encourage those that want to respond to DRAW IT MILD and keep in mind that as a member of your organization others make opinions about your organizaiton based on your posts.

Post Script - We all have non-blacks, gays and lesbians in our organization.

[lovelyivy84]

Originally posted by Tibi
It's funny how on the general boards alot of HBGLO members are so anti racisist but post a topic like this and the real truth comes out.....

Oh well it sucks how life is like that.

[Dexter]

Originally posted by Tibi
It's funny how on the general boards alot of HBGLO members are so anti racisist but post a topic like this and the real truth comes out.....

Putting aside personal feelings, let me say that there isn't any racist comments posted on this topic. If you aren't of AA then you cannot relate to the struggles of the founders of these BGLOs. It is for that reason why some people feel uneasy when they see non AA members. It's not that they don't accept them, but it's ackward at first. I KNOW a white brother of A PHI A personally. His name is Jamie and he is one of the most intelligent and hard working guys in the frat. He PLEDGED at the University of Central Florida. Not is he more BROTHERLY than alot of AA members in the frat, but he steps alot better than alot of bruhs that are in my chapter (AND WE WON 28 STEP SHOWS). So don't take it as racism, try to see it as an obstacle that has to be dealt with!

P.S. For those who want this thread closed, there is a simple solution...DON'T READ IT !!!!

[sphinxpoet]

Originally posted by Dexter

Putting aside personal feelings, let me say that there isn't any racist comments posted on this topic. If you aren't of AA then you cannot relate to the struggles of the founders of these BGLOs. It is for that reason why some people feel uneasy when they see non AA members. It's not that they don't accept them, but it's ackward at first. I KNOW a white brother of A PHI A personally. His name is Jamie and he is one of the most intelligent and hard working guys in the frat. He PLEDGED at the University of Central Florida. Not is he more BROTHERLY than alot of AA members in the frat, but he steps alot better than alot of bruhs that are in my chapter (AND WE WON 28 STEP SHOWS). So don't take it as racism, try to see it as an obstacle that has to be dealt with!

P.S. For those who want this thread closed, there is a simple solution...DON'T READ IT !!!!

Clapping for Frat

[hocnsoc81]

TOA, what's your name and number?

[The Original Ape]

Dayum Fatto! You always beat me to the keys! You said it best bruh!

Puttin' aside subjective feelings for each organization, Yall got to understand the sacrifices made by The Founders of Alpha. As with everybody else's founders, our founders took much care into defining our membership, our purpose(s), and everything else about us. They were extremely concerned with the plight of African-American men, who were perceived by the wider society AND OUR GOVERNMENT as the most dangerous population on American soil. The government suspected our Fraternity as being communist and rebel-rousers; and they monitored the movement of our founders for years. Due to the timeliness of the founding of Alpha, and the purpose of Alpha, I personally disagreed with the integration of my fraternity. And I personally cannot accept homosexuals into my fraternity. We were founded on the principles of MANHOOD, as one of my bruhs so eloquently put it; and that has NOTHING TO DO WITH HOMOSEXUALITY.

I wish the best for all men. I would hope that homosexual men and white men seeking fraternity life would have the where-with-all to start their own fraternity. And I would wish them the best.

But Alpha Phi Alpha was THE FIRST for African-American men ONLY; and due to its historical value to our people, I think it shoulda been exempt from all of the intergration laws, etc.

[Dexter]

Originally posted by The Original Ape
Dayum Fatto! You always beat me to the keys! You said it best bruh!

I think that you are referring to me.