Should this woman still be allowed to collect state aid?

DaemonSeid · #1 03-08-2012, 09:59 AM

From what I read so far, she made the bills, whose fault is it that she thinks she needs aid?

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/07/us/mic...html?hpt=hp_c1

(CNN) -- Amanda Clayton hit it big playing the Michigan Lottery. Like many winners, she used her $1 million prize to buy a new house.

But the Lincoln Park, Michigan, resident is receiving money in another form -- $200 a month in state food assistance, according to CNN Detroit affiliate WDIV.

"I thought that they would cut me off, but since they didn't, I thought, maybe, it was OK because I'm not working," Clayton, 24, told WDIV when it asked whether it was appropriate for her to receive the money.

Now a state lawmaker is trying to stop such assistance, which is not illegal. He says the food assistance should not go to those who have found riches through the lottery.

"We need to continue to protect our taxpayers' dollars ... and taxpayer dollars should be going to those who really do need assistance," Michigan Rep. Dale Zorn of Ida Township told HLN's Vinnie Politan on Wednesday.

The Michigan Department of Human Services said it agrees that the system needs to change. The agency told WDIV that it is difficult to verify if the financial situation changes for a person who gets public assistance.

"DHS relies on clients being forthcoming about their actual financial status. If they are not, and continue to accept benefits, they may face criminal investigation and be required to pay back those benefits," the agency told the affiliate.

"Our Office of Inspector General will continue to vigorously pursue any and all abuse and fraud in the welfare system," the agency added.

In October, Clayton walked away with $1 million in the "Make Me Rich!" lottery game show. She also bought a car, WDIV reported.

After taking a lump sum and paying taxes, the unemployed woman said she ended up with just more than $500,000.

Asked if she had the right to the public assistance money, Clayton answered, "I kind of do. I have no income, and I have bills to pay. I have two houses."

knight_shadow · #2 03-08-2012, 10:27 AM

Why was she playing the lottery?

AlphaFrog · #3 03-08-2012, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Why was she playing the lottery?

Lottery = tax on people who are bad at math.

Also, obviously this is a generalization which I don't have data to back, in my experience most people that play the lottery are not in the situation that they should be throwing away even $5 a week on it (or however much it is). Most people I know who DO have the extra "throw away" money only play when it's ridiculously high, and even then they know they are throwing their money away.

The woman from the article is a moron, plain and simple.

DaemonSeid · #4 03-08-2012, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Lottery = tax on people who are bad at math.

Also, obviously this is a generalization which I don't have data to back, in my experience most people that play the lottery are not in the situation that they should be throwing away even $5 a week on it (or however much it is). Most people I know who DO have the extra "throw away" money only play when it's ridiculously high, and even then they know they are throwing their money away.

The woman from the article is a moron, plain and simple.

No math needed to be done...it's almost a truth. 5 dollars is minimal.

here is one study on how much poor people spend on lottery

This statement sticks out right here because I know so many people that could relate:

My parents never played the lottery, but I have a grandmother who did -- and probably still does -- and I had a lot of uncles and aunts who also played. One might think that would have influenced me to play, but if anything, it probably did the opposite. After all, even when I was eight years old, I could see that my uncles and aunts, despite playing the lottery every day, weren't exactly rich. And my relatives always made it clear that they knew they were on a fool's errand.

knight_shadow · #5 03-08-2012, 11:10 AM

In Texas, assistance is given on a card, and that card can only be used on certain items. If she's struggling so much and has no income, why is she playing the lottery?

Also, she's complaining because she now has 2 houses to take care of. Did you not think about that before you purchased house #2? Sheesh.

It pisses me off when I see folks screwing the system up for those who really need it.

AlphaFrog · #6 03-08-2012, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow

In Texas, assistance is given on a card, and that card can only be used on certain items. If she's struggling so much and has no income, why is she playing the lottery?

Also, she's complaining because she now has 2 houses to take care of. Did you not think about that before you purchased house #2? Sheesh.

It pisses me off when I see folks screwing the system up for those who really need it.

Most states give aid on cards that can only be used for certain things, yet many those people still drink and smoke and play the lottery as well as other financially poor ideas. Some do under the table cash jobs, work but still qualify, or some sell their benefits to others (if you give me $20, I'll let you have $40 from my benefits card). The people who do this mostly do not understand how silly this is because they've not been taught differently. DS's article explains well why the poor play the lottery.

PiKA2001 · #7 03-08-2012, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow

In Texas, assistance is given on a card, and that card can only be used on certain items. If she's struggling so much and has no income, why is she playing the lottery?

Also, she's complaining because she now has 2 houses to take care of. Did you not think about that before you purchased house #2? Sheesh.

It pisses me off when I see folks screwing the system up for those who really need it.

SNAP benefits are given on a card in Michigan just like in TX. I've given up wondering why people buy stupid crap they can't afford but at the end of the day this woman isn't struggling and she should have to repay whatever benefits she received.

33girl · #8 03-08-2012, 02:05 PM

I would think that the fact she's on public assistance should have disqualified her from the uber dumb GIVEMEMONEYNOOOOOOOWWWWW lump sum payment.

PiKA2001 · #9 03-08-2012, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

I would think that the fact she's on public assistance should have disqualified her from the uber dumb GIVEMEMONEYNOOOOOOOWWWWW lump sum payment.

Generally speaking I don't think the lump sum option is uber dumb but in this case it is. If you're middle aged or older (or closer to death) I think getting the lump sum is the way to go.

I used to work with a guy who won the Michigan lottery when he was in his early 20s and he spread his payments out over the course of 20 years. He was never balling rich but he was able to afford a very nice house, newer cars, cottage up north, good investment portfolio, etc all without ever working a full time job. He's actually one of the reasons why I've never played the lottery. They say if you personally know a lotto winner, your chances of winning yourself are pretty nil.

AGDee · #10 03-08-2012, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow

In Texas, assistance is given on a card, and that card can only be used on certain items. If she's struggling so much and has no income, why is she playing the lottery?

Also, she's complaining because she now has 2 houses to take care of. Did you not think about that before you purchased house #2? Sheesh.

It pisses me off when I see folks screwing the system up for those who really need it.

She's been cut off and yeah, it's all over the news up here. This is the kind of story that makes everybody crazy, I think. It also usually results in some kind of legislation that ends up cutting off some people who really need the assistance and don't abuse it, which is sad.

There have also been a lot of reports about college students whose parents are paying for school managing to play the system to get food stamps.

dreamseeker · #11 03-08-2012, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Asked if she had the right to the public assistance money, Clayton answered, "I kind of do. I have no income, and I have bills to pay. I have two houses."

LMFAO

PM_Mama00 · #12 03-08-2012, 10:42 PM

Ugh. This made national. She left a pretty shit-hole area and bought a house in another not that great town (but better than where she was). Unfortunately this town is in my community. Woop.

She's a complete idiot. Her fb was pretty interesting till she made it unsearchable or deleted it. I'm glad someone turned her in.

NinjaPoodle · #13 03-09-2012, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

The woman from the article is a moron, plain and simple.

Agreed.

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Originally Posted by PiKA2001

I've given up wondering why people buy stupid crap they can't afford but at the end of the day this woman isn't struggling and she should have to repay whatever benefits she received.

Yes.

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Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Generally speaking I don't think the lump sum option is uber dumb but in this case it is. If you're middle aged or older (or closer to death) I think getting the lump sum is the way to go.
(^^agreed)
I used to work with a guy who won the Michigan lottery when he was in his early 20s and he spread his payments out over the course of 20 years. He was never balling rich but he was able to afford a very nice house, newer cars, cottage up north, good investment portfolio, etc all without ever working a full time job. He's actually one of the reasons why I've never played the lottery. They say if you personally know a lotto winner, your chances of winning yourself are pretty nil.

Sounds like this guy had some money training in his life.

This woman makes me angry to no end. Any state with a lottery system should require recent large sum winners to take a course in money management (Or some variation). SERIOUSLY. I'm glad she got cut off and i really hope the state makes her pay back every cent. The people of the state of Michigan should not have to pay for her stupidity.

AGDee · #14 03-09-2012, 06:37 PM

Well, the lottery she won only comes in a lump sum, I believe, because she only won $1 million, or about $560,000 after taxes, but still... It's not enough to retire on, but it's enough to support yourself while you get an education, or to move to another state where there are more jobs.

PiKA2001 · #15 03-10-2012, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by AGDee

Well, the lottery she won only comes in a lump sum, I believe, because she only won $1 million, or about $560,000 after taxes, but still... It's not enough to retire on, but it's enough to support yourself while you get an education, or to move to another state where there are more jobs.

Oh that poor 20 something year old thing only winning 1 mil....

Honestly, if someone gave me almost $600k right now (at 30) I could probably live out the rest of my days pretty comfortably with maybe only a part-time job waiting tables or working at Starbucks to augment my income.