Preference Invites/ Bids

[bellaxlocaa]

Ok, so if you get a preference invite to one sorority (but it wasn't your first choice), can you still get a bid from one that you didnt get a pref invite to? Or are you cut?

[Titchou]

It's possible to still get a bid from them if you put them on your bid card AND they put you on their flex list AND go far enough into it to get you. So I'd say it's about 99.9% against getting one from them and 100% that you get one from the group whose pref you attend as long as your campus guarantees bids to those who maximaze their options.

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by Titchou

It's possible to still get a bid from them if you put them on your bid card AND they put you on their flex list AND go far enough into it to get you. So I'd say it's about 99.9% against getting one from them and 100% that you get one from the group whose pref you attend as long as your campus guarantees bids to those who maximaze their options.

Most campuses pretty much guarantee a bid if a PNM has a full pref schedule and maximizes her options. It doesn't work out the same way if you only have one sorority left in your schedule when there are two or three pref parties. This PNM could definitely still be cut from the one remaining house she has left - it happens all the time.

OP, you were cut by the other sorority. The only way you should be able to get a bid from any sorority other than the pref party you did/are attending is if you don't sign a pref card (basically drop out of recruitment) and some sorority that doesn't meet quota decides to offer you a snap bid. But that is a foolish thing to bet on, if you ask me. Just laying that out there in case someone brings up snap bidding as a good option.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

Most campuses pretty much guarantee a bid if a PNM has a full pref schedule and maximizes her options. It doesn't work out the same way if you only have one sorority left in your schedule when there are two or three pref parties. This PNM could definitely still be cut from the one remaining house she has left - it happens all the time.

OP, you were cut by the other sorority. The only way you should be able to get a bid from any sorority other than the pref party you did/are attending is if you don't sign a pref card (basically drop out of recruitment) and some sorority that doesn't meet quota decides to offer you a snap bid. But that is a foolish thing to bet on, if you ask me. Just laying that out there in case someone brings up snap bidding as a good option.

Snap bidding is only eligible to women who maximize their recruitment options at pref. It has nothing to do with them dropping out and in fact they need to sign a pref card. If you drop out of recruitment you are eligible for COB, not snap bidding.

[Titchou]

And some guarantee it to all who max their options - no matter what they are. But we don't what her campus does so that's why I qualified it. Either way, it's 99.9% sure the only chance she has is the one where she preffed....and only if she's far enough up their list.

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Snap bidding is only eligible to women who maximize their recruitment options at pref. It has nothing to do with them dropping out and in fact they need to sign a pref card. If you drop out of recruitment you are eligible for COB, not snap bidding.

No, quota additions are for only women who maximized their options but didn't get a bid. Snap bids are for any woman who did not receive a bid, whether she dropped out of recruitment after the first round or whether she was cross-cut.

[AZTheta]

I went to the NPC website and did a search. These links might be useful:

http://www.npcwomen.org/resources/pd..._Placement.pdf

http://www.npcwomen.org/resources/pd...resolution.pdf

The first one addresses quota additions; the second one is a resolution explaining snap bidding.


ETA: Forgot this one, which explains inclusion of PNMs on Bid Lists:

http://www.npcwomen.org/resources/pd...s_Bid_List.pdf


So - what's the consensus, GC?

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by AzTheta

I went to the NPC website and did a search. These links might be useful:

http://www.npcwomen.org/resources/pd..._Placement.pdf

http://www.npcwomen.org/resources/pd...resolution.pdf

The first one addresses quota additions; the second one is a resolution explaining snap bidding.

So - what's the consensus, GC?

It means I'm right

"Resolved, That any chapter may prepare a separate Snap Bid List that can be

used at the proper time for determining Snap Bids and that the only qualification
for a potential new member's name to be eligible to appear on that list is that she
has participated in the recruitment process by attending at least one round of

recruitment."

Quota additions = chapter met quota and is getting additional new members
Snap bids = chapter did not match to quota, so they may make phone calls to women prior to bid handout to offer a spot in the nm class. They may be given to any woman who went through recruitment but did not receive a bid.
COB = chapter either was not able to fill quota using snap bids, or they met quota but are still under total and therefore may offer additional bids up to total

[AZTheta]

I just added another link. My intention wasn't to take sides or start any disputes or anything; I am trying to research information for the PNM who started this thread.

So I am the messenger, and that is that. Please.

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by AzTheta

I just added another link. My intention wasn't to take sides or start any disputes or anything; I am trying to research information for the PNM who started this thread.

So I am the messenger, and that is that. Please.

Notice my little "wink" smiley?

I just posted a little mini-glossary to clarify the difference between QA, snap bids and COB, because there is always a lot of confusion over that. It's important for people to know the difference, because I know people on GC and at some schools create false hope in some women because they don't really know the way the bid process works.

ETA: For example, I know of some PNMs who heard about snap bidding and dropped out of recruitment when they didn't like the choices they had left, all because they thought the houses they liked could potentially offer them a snap bid later. They didn't know that snap bids only get extended by chapters who don't make quota, and often the women who drop out of recruitment for the reason I just mentioned really only want the top chapters that always make quota.

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by AzTheta

I just added another link. My intention wasn't to take sides or start any disputes or anything; I am trying to research information for the PNM who started this thread.

So I am the messenger, and that is that. Please.

All it states is that a chapter who invites a woman to preference, and therefore has listed her on their bid list, must be willing to offer her a bid. It doesn't state that she WILL become a member of that chapter, it's just saying that if things work out that way with the matching system, that the chapter must accept her, having already voted to offer her membership. It also doesn't say that a woman who goes through recruitment and attends one preference party will receive a bid to that one sorority.

[AZTheta]

^^^ missed the wink, I really need new glasses (and did I focus when I read what you wrote in both senses of the word "focus"? Probably not. My Bad).

This entire process is complex, if not complicated. Thank you for the mini-glossary and I hope the OP has an answer or answers.

(Not a big smiley user myself but if I could, I would insert a face that was pleased at the outcome of this exchange).

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by AzTheta

^^^ missed the wink, I really need new glasses (and did I focus when I read what you wrote in both senses of the word "focus"? Probably not. My Bad).

This entire process is complex, if not complicated. Thank you for the mini-glossary and I hope the OP has an answer or answers.

(Not a big smiley user myself but if I could, I would insert a face that was pleased at the outcome of this exchange).

It is very complicated and confusing!

ETA: I'm only so familiar with this because I was a recruitment counselor one year and on panhellenic exec another year, so got to see how the whole bid process worked.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

No, quota additions are for only women who maximized their options but didn't get a bid. Snap bids are for any woman who did not receive a bid, whether she dropped out of recruitment after the first round or whether she was cross-cut.

Yes I mixed the requirements up, however women do not have to drop out or be cross cut to receive one. Some women maximize their options at pref and do not receive a bid, even though this is rare, as not every campus "guarantees" bids.

[bellaxlocaa]

Thank you so much, ladies!! I'm still kinda confused tho. So if I got a preference ceremony invite from sorority ABC but not one from sorority XYZ, I could still put sorority XYZ on my bid list?