NIC "The Case" findings

[jennyj87]

http://nicindy.org/fraternityrights/category/facts/


thought this was interesting.

[RU OX Alum]

cool

[33girl]

I personally think they need to bitch less about deferred recruitment and worry more about defending the rights of students (typically first gen college students, from middle or lower class families) who don't have the means to do so.

Bitching about deferred just sounds to me like "OMG...If we don't grab them right away they'll do other stuff!! They won't be able to adjust to college life!! OMG OMG OMGWTFBBQ!!" Fraternity and sorority membership is NOT like joining other clubs on campus - it is a lifetime commitment, and should be treated with a gravity commensurate with that. The NPHC seems to be doing way better with that part of it than the NPC and NIC groups, and you certainly don't hear them bitching about deferred rush.

[RU OX Alum]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I personally think they need to bitch less about deferred recruitment and worry more about defending the rights of students (typically first gen college students, from middle or lower class families) who don't have the means to do so.

Bitching about deferred just sounds to me like "OMG...If we don't grab them right away they'll do other stuff!! They won't be able to adjust to college life!! OMG OMG OMGWTFBBQ!!" Fraternity and sorority membership is NOT like joining other clubs on campus - it is a lifetime commitment, and should be treated with a gravity commensurate with that. The NPHC seems to be doing way better with that part of it than the NPC and NIC groups, and you certainly don't hear them bitching about deferred rush.

Why should we help the rights of "first gen" college students? We're not organized to be a group f frist gen students, we're organized to be fraternity brothers.

being first gen or not doesn't really matter if you're being discriminated against, and allowing students to join some groups right away but not others is discrimination.

[agzg]

I'm a fan of deferred recruitment and I always will be. This is one case I'm not willing to pick up.

[LaneSig]

I'll give the same argument that I've given before: If your campus has deferred recruitment and you think that pnms (male or female) will find other things to do and not get involved with Greek Life, then your campus organizations aren't doing a good job of showing how Greek Life will benefit the pnms. You have a whole semester to show them how great Greek Life can be. If you didn't do succeed in showing that, you did something wrong.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by RU OX Alum

Why should we help the rights of "first gen" college students? We're not organized to be a group f frist gen students, we're organized to be fraternity brothers.

being first gen or not doesn't really matter if you're being discriminated against, and allowing students to join some groups right away but not others is discrimination.

Sorry if I wasn't clear. I don't mean all first generation college students - I mean those who are Greek.

Case in point: at my school several students were punished and threatened with expulsion because of their membership in an off-campus fraternity. My school is not another Columbia, where students could protest all they want and it didn't matter because they would work for Daddy's company once they "got straightened out" - its enrollment has many students who are first gen and who NEED degrees to get jobs. These kids couldn't afford to fight the school - their teaching credentials were on the line. If they DID fight the school - their names would have been mud for any teaching job they applied to. NIC needs to be fighting to make sure situations like this do not happen.

And like LaneSig says: if students at your campus join the newspaper staff, the hall council or the Sci Fi & Fantasy club and think those things are an adequate substitute for Greek life - then your Greek life is shit and you need to fix it internally instead of blaming it on the school.

[Gusteau]

I couldn't find this anywhere on the website, so maybe someone can enlighten me. Is this initiative to fight for fraternity rights in general, or just to block attempts at deferred recruitment? If it's the latter, what's the point?