FAKE SORORS AND FRATS

HOW MUCH TROUBLE CAN YOU GET IN FOR LYING AND SAYING YOUR APART OF AN ORG WHEN YOUR NOT? WHAT ABOUT WEARING 'NALIA? I KNOW I HEARD OF A GIRL BEING AN AKA PERP FOR SEVEN YEARS, CAN SHE GET INTO ANY LEGAL TROUBLE (SINCE AKA IS INCORPORATED AND ALL)? I WANNA KNOW IF THERE IS A WAY SHE CAN BE CHASTISED. LET ME KNOW. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO KNOW HOW YOU ALL WOULD/HAVE DELT WITH PERPS IN YOUR ORGANIZATION.

Speaking of fake, what is the point of joining a sorority, and half the girls act like they can't speak to you? or end up being friends with just three of the ten members? a clique within a clique. Doesn't that defeat the purpose of sisterhood? Or thinking your better than everyone else just because you have letters on your chest?

Originally posted by TRECEY:
HOW MUCH TROUBLE CAN YOU GET IN FOR LYING AND SAYING YOUR APART OF AN ORG WHEN YOUR NOT? WHAT ABOUT WEARING 'NALIA? I KNOW I HEARD OF A GIRL BEING AN AKA PERP FOR SEVEN YEARS, CAN SHE GET INTO ANY LEGAL TROUBLE (SINCE AKA IS INCORPORATED AND ALL)? I WANNA KNOW IF THERE IS A WAY SHE CAN BE CHASTISED. LET ME KNOW. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO KNOW HOW YOU ALL WOULD/HAVE DELT WITH PERPS IN YOUR ORGANIZATION.

Sounds like you just got a REJECTION notice! Don't hate. Better luck NEXT time!

[mgdzkm433]

Ok, this is something that people fail to see. ESPECIALLY those people who aren't greek.

Many of us get the question "Why do you want to buy your friends?" These people, to me, lack the ability to make an educated guess or argument. They were probably rejected by a greek org too.

This is what I tell people:

1) You can't buy people
2) We arn't buying friends, we are gaining membership to a national/international organization that supports community service and national philanthropies.
3) We aren't buying friends, we are gaining knowledge of leadership skills and networking
4) We aren't buying friends, we are getting the upper hand because if I was up for the same job as you, I would get it because I have a prestigous organizaion on my resume that is known far and wide for its endevours

The word sisterhood does not mean friendship. You do not gain automatic friendship when you are handed a bid. What you do get is respect. You get respect because during the "rush" period you proved to the sisters that you were a someone that would be an asset to their organization. You have skills and/or qualities that would benifit their organization. Friendship comes later.

As for a clique within a clique. . . sororities and fraternities are not cliques. They are national/international organizations. Cliques are a group of people. In 5 years, at least half of a sorority will have graduated and spread out across the world, but the sorority will still be there.

As for girls not talking to each other. . . Just because I'm a sister of a sorority doesn't mean that I have to like everyone in my sorority. I do Respect them because they are a part of my organization, but I don't have to be friends with them. We will get along and be civil to one another because we have the same intentions when it comes to our organization and that is to further its ideals and purpose.

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Mikki Gates
Delta Zeta Alum
Kappa Mu Chapter
Sigma Alpha Iota Alum
Eta Tau Chapter

"I would rather have thirty minutes of wonderful than a lifetime of nothing special."

--Julia Roberts
(Steel Magnolias)

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I DON'T THINK YOU ALL ARE CLEAR ABOUT MY QUESTION. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE NEVER ENDING BATTLE REGARDING RATHER OR NOT GREEKS BY THEIR FRIENDS. I AM TRYING TO FIND OUT ABOUT HOW MUCH TROUBLE A PERSON CAN GET IN FOR LYING ABOUT BEING AN AKA OR BEING A DELTA OR BEING AN OMEGA OR BEING A TRI DELTA, ECT. I ALSO WANTED TO KNOW IF ANY OF YOU HAVE DELT WITH SUCH A SITUATION, AND IF NOT-- HOW YOU WOULD DEAL WITH SUCH A SITUATION.

[mgdzkm433]

My sorority has never had that problem, at least while I was there. It isn't illegal to wear letters. Anybody can go buy a t-shirt that has greek letters on it. That right is not limited to people who are greek. As for claiming that you are a member of an organization. I'm not sure about that. I could see someone being brought up on charges of misrepresentation. I recently delt with this kind of case. Someone offering me a job claimed to work for a presigious Doctors office. The office was well know. This person did not work for the dr. office, and the dr's office pressed charges for misrepresentaion. The only legal action that I can see taken against someone would be misrepresentation. If you are walking around recruiting people, claiming to be a specific person, or even just walking around representing or promoting the organization these actions can be taken against someone, if there is proof that you were doing these things. If you are just walking around wearing the letters, that isn't grounds for misrepresentation. I hope that answered your question. I'm sure that it is just a misdemenor(sp?). The consequences could be time in jail(max 6 mos.) if it is serious, and a large fine. The other thing about it is, if you aren't a member and you are pretending to be one, I wouldn't want to find out what the real members would do if they found out. It depends on the people, but I might be scared they'd ruin my reputation or worse. But that's just me.


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Mikki Gates
Delta Zeta Alum
Kappa Mu Chapter
Sigma Alpha Iota Alum
Eta Tau Chapter

"I would rather have thirty minutes of wonderful than a lifetime of nothing special."

--Julia Roberts
(Steel Magnolias)

Visit me at:
http://homepages.go.com/~dzkm433/index.html
and
http://www.calypso.com/dzkm433/welcomtomyworld.chtml

I agree with mgd, anyone can buy the shirts and portray to be something they are not. But why would someone want to do that, if they don't know or understand the meaning or history of those letters, then the letters are meaningless. As an individual, i can't sue or anything like that, but the national headquarters would probably take an interest. You pretty much sue anyone over anything these days. I've never met anyone that i thought was a fake delta. if i thought they were being a perp, i would handle it correctly. but some real members of any organization may not be so civil about it. Like mgd said, i wouldn't want to be that person when they run into some "real" members of that organization.

[This message has been edited by c&c1913 (edited April 06, 2000).]

[straightBOS]

As a matter of fact, I have seen someone get busted out for perpin'.
I know y'all seen that e-mail going around CLAIMIN to reveal the "secrets" of many BGLOs.
Well I know for a fact that a girl who claimed to be an AKA "from outta town" tried to front on the Ladies here @ a recent party.

And let's just say, "Dayum, them AKAs know how to throw down!!"

Let that be a lesson to anybody trying to go the same route because it is NOT worth it.

[SilverTurtle]

I think that is just weird. Why would someone want to do that?
(If you have an explanation, TRECEY, please share it!)

I've never heard of anyone pretending to be part of GLO they weren't (with the exception of StraightBOS's post above mine!). But then again, I'm sure stranger things happen.

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Phi Beta Fraternity

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[Serenity]

I know first hand of a situation that place during Greek Freak up in Syracuse about seven years ago. I was undergrad at the time. A young lady had been perpetrating to be a member of one of the BGLO sororities (shall remain nameless). I guess the members of this sorority knew she would show up wearing their letters because they were PREPARED when she arrived. Poor her!

Needless to say, she left without any 'nalia on. Now, I'm not condoning violence. But c'mon, that's just downright disrespectful to the ladies that worked hard and EARNED their letters.

[This message has been edited by Serenity (edited April 06, 2000).]

I'M NOT SURE WHY ANYONE WOULD WANT TO LIE AND CLAIM TO BE PART OF SOMETHING THEIR NOT. I JUST REMEMBER A PARTICULAR (AHEM) ALTERCATION THAT HAPPENED AT A WELL KNOWN UNIV. I GUY WAS CLAIMING TO BE A(N)...(THE PARTICULAR FRAT DOESN'T MATTER) AND HE WAS SEVERLY MISTREATED BY THEM WHEN THET REALIZED HE WASN'T WHAT HE CLAIMED TO BE. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF THIS HAPPENS OFTEN, OR IF IT WAS JUST AN ISOLATED (AHEM) EVENT.

[Stacy Waldon]

I don't know of anyone trying to pretend they were apart of my sorority, but I remember in college some years ago a guy came on our campus and pretended to be an Omega. When those guys found out they threw down on that brotha. I mean why pretend like your in an organization when you're not. I feel you should just go for it if it's that good that you have to pretend, be real. Go through the process and find out the history of the org. and appreciate the goals of the founders.
As for any type of legal trouble I am not sure, but I also think that nationals may have that answer.
Much Love to all my Sorors of Zeta Phi Beta Sorority. Z-PHIIIIII!!!!!
BLU-PHI!!! to all the men of Phi Beta Sigma.

[Alumnus who cares]

I agree that there is probably no law preventing wearing letters. In my day, I went to the campus Greek shop and bought all kinds of merchandise (for my own fraternity, of course) but I never had to prove that I was a part of that organization. I could have bought a hat, shirt, keychain, etc. from any fraternity I wanted, and it wouldn't have made a difference. But I think you are all correct when you say that if the real brothers catch you wearing their letters when you are not really a member, you'll probably get your ass kicked.

On a somewhat related note, I remember when I was a sophomore and I heard that a couple of the seniors in our house saw a homeless man on a main campus street, wearing one of our letter sweatshirts. Absolutely no clue where he could have gotten it. Again, there was no kind of legal action they could have taken to get him to hand over the sweatshirt. One of our guys supposedly offered him $10 for it, but he refused. I think he had a right to keep it simply because there would have been nothing else for him to wear if it got cold. Maybe if nothing else, our house was seen as a charitable group, handing out clothing to the homeless people! : )

Wow, I am not greek just yet (were are founding a colony on my campus), but I must say, that is a fantastic response. I too have asked that question of greeks during my quest to cure my ignorance and figure the whole thing out and I have also considered how I will reply when, one day (sigh), I will be asked that question.

Mikki, I printed out your reply and it's posted in my home. Well said.

Pinoy

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mgdzkm433:
[B]Ok, this is something that people fail to see. ESPECIALLY those people who aren't greek.

Many of us get the question "Why do you want to buy your friends?" These people, to me, lack the ability to make an educated guess or argument.

[mgdzkm433]

Why thank you. I'm flattered.