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Old 02-14-2005, 06:11 PM
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Resignation at CNN Shows the Growing Influence of Blogs

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/14/te...rint&position=

February 14, 2005
Resignation at CNN Shows the Growing Influence of Blogs
By KATHERINE Q. SEELYE

his article was reported by Katharine Q. Seelye, Jacques Steinberg and David F. Gallagher.

With the resignation Friday of a top news executive from CNN, bloggers have laid claim to a prominent media career for the second time in five months.

In September, conservative bloggers exposed flaws in a report by Dan Rather; he subsequently announced that on March 9 he would step down as anchor of the "CBS Evening News." On Friday, after nearly two weeks of intensifying pressure on the Internet, Eason Jordan, the chief news executive at CNN, abruptly resigned after being besieged by the online community. Morever, last week liberal bloggers forced a sketchily credentialed White House reporter to quit his post.

For some bloggers - people who publish the sites known as Web logs - it was a declaration that this was just the beginning. Edward Morrissey, a call center manager who lives near Minneapolis and has written extensively about the Jordan controversy, wrote on his blog, Captain's Quarters (captainsquartersblog.com): "The moral of the story: the media can't just cover up the truth and expect to get away with it - and journalists can't just toss around allegations without substantiation and expect people to believe them anymore."

Mr. Jordan, speaking at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, in late January, apparently said, according to various witnesses, that he believed the United States military had aimed at journalists and killed 12 of them. There is some uncertainty over his precise language and the forum, which videotaped the conference, has not released the tape. When he quit Friday night, Mr. Jordan said in a statement that, "I never meant to imply U.S. forces acted with ill intent when U.S. forces accidentally killed journalists."

Some of those most familiar with Mr. Jordan's situation emphasized, in interviews over the weekend, that his resignation should not be read solely as a function of the heat that CNN had been receiving on the Internet, where thousands of messages, many of them from conservatives, had been posted.

Nonetheless, within days of his purported statement, many blog sites were swamped with outraged assertions that he was slandering American troops. In an e-mail message yesterday, Mr. Jordan declined to be interviewed.

But while the bloggers are feeling empowered, some in their ranks are openly questioning where they are headed. One was Jeff Jarvis, the head of the Internet arm of Advance Publications, who publishes a blog at buzzmachine.com. Mr. Jarvis said bloggers should keep their real target in mind. "I wish our goal were not taking off heads but digging up truth," he cautioned.

At the same time, some in the traditional media are growing alarmed as they watch careers being destroyed by what they see as the growing power of rampant, unedited dialogue.

Steve Lovelady, a former editor at The Philadelphia Inquirer and The Wall Street Journal and now managing editor of CJR Daily, the Web site of The Columbia Journalism Review, has been among the most outspoken.

"The salivating morons who make up the lynch mob prevail," he lamented online after Mr. Jordan's resignation. He said that Mr. Jordan cared deeply about the reporters he had sent into battle and was "haunted by the fact that not all of them came back."

Some on line were simply trying to make sense of what happened. "Have we entered an era where our lives can be destroyed by a pack of wolves hacking at their keyboards with no oversight, no editors, and no accountability?" asked a blogger named Mark Coffey, 36, who says he works as an analyst in Austin, Tex. "Or does it mean that we've entered a brave new world where the MSM has become irrelevant," he asked, using blogger shorthand for mainstream media.

His own conclusion is that the mainstream media "is being held to account as never before by the strong force of individual citizens who won't settle for sloppy research and inflammatory comments without foundation, particularly from those with a wide national reach, such as Rather and Eason."

It was a businessman attending the forum in Davos who put Mr. Jordan's comments on the map with a Jan. 28 posting. Rony Abovitz, 34, of Hollywood, Fla., the co-founder of a medical technology company, was invited to Davos and was asked to write for the forum's first-ever blog, his first blogging effort. In an interview yesterday, he said that he had challenged Mr. Jordan's assertion that the United States was taking aim at journalists and asked for evidence.

Mr. Abovitz asked some of the journalists at the event if they were going to write about Mr. Jordan's comments and concluded that they were not because journalists wanted to protect their own. There was also some confusion about whether they could, because the session was officially "off the record."

Mr. Abovitz said the remarks bothered him, and at 2:21 a.m. local time, he posted his write-up on the forum's official blog (www.forumblog.org) under the headline "Do U.S. Troops Target Journalists in Iraq?"

He did not think it would get much attention. But Mr. Jordan's comments zipped around the Web and fired up the conservative bloggers, who saw the remarks attributed to Mr. Jordan as evidence of a liberal bias of the big American news media.

"I think he was attacked because of what he represented as much as what he said," said David Gergen, who moderated the panel at Davos and who has served in the White House for administrations of both parties. He said he was troubled by the attacks on Mr. Jordan and said that his resignation was a mark of the increasing degree to which the news media were being drawn into the nation's culture wars.

While over the years Mr. Jordan had helped vault CNN to some of its most celebrated triumphs - it was largely through his diplomatic efforts that CNN was able to broadcast the first live footage from the first Gulf War, in 1991 - he also drew criticism. In one case, he wrote an article for the Op-Ed page of The New York Times in April 2003, saying that CNN had essentially suppressed news of brutalities so the network could maintain access and protect its people in Iraq.

Through the latest uproar, the substance of Mr. Jordan's initial assertion about the military targeting journalists was largely lost. Those who worked closely with Mr. Jordan at CNN, as well as on behalf of other news organizations, said he was aggressive and passionate about making life safer for journalists working in Iraq.

Ann Cooper, executive director for the Committee to Protect Journalists, said that 36 journalists, plus 18 translators who worked for journalists, had been killed in Iraq since 2003. Of those 54, she said, at least nine died as a result of American fire.

"From our standpoint, journalists are not being targeted by the U.S. military in Iraq," Ms. Cooper said. "But there certainly are cases where an atmosphere of what, at best, you can call indifference has led to deaths and other problems for journalists."

As an example, Ms. Cooper cited the shelling by American troops of the Palestine Hotel in Baghdad, well known as the residence of journalists, in April 2003, killing two journalists. .

But the notion that journalists are "targeted" by the military did not first emerge with Mr. Jordan at Davos. Nik Gowing, a presenter, or anchor, for the BBC, has advanced the theory in writings and speeches that because the media can now convey instantaneously what is happening in a war zone, military commanders may find journalists a hindrance. The Pentagon has dismissed such theories.

In any case, on Feb. 2, Rebecca MacKinnon, who worked under Mr. Jordan when she was a producer and bureau chief at CNN, and organized the blog from Davos, contacted him after seeing that conservative blogs had picked up on his remarks.

"I e-mailed him and said the same people who were after Rather appear to be after you," said Ms. MacKinnon, now a research fellow at the Berkman Center for Internet and Society at Harvard Law School.

Later that evening, she posted a response from Mr. Jordan, who wrote that on the panel he had meant to say that when journalists are aimed at and shot, as opposed to being killed by wayward bombs, "such a killing is a tragic case of mistaken identity, not a case of 'collateral damage.' "

At about the same time, CNN became aware that trouble was brewing online, and in the wake of Mr. Rather's downfall, it tried to try to head off the storm. When he returned to Florida on Feb. 2 from the conference, Mr. Abovitz said he had messages from Mr. Jordan and from CNN. He sent an inquiry back to CNN but said he did not get a response.

The rest of the article is at the link above. Since it is the NYTimes, you'll have to pay to read if you don't access it within a relatively short period from when I post this.

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Old 02-14-2005, 06:54 PM
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This is one of the things they were talking about as part of the discussion of the "imbedded" reporter in the White House. All five people on the show either are or were White House reporters for major news organizations.

It is scary to them (and me) that some (not necessarily all) large part of these bloggers have no journalistic/reporting credentials at all and people take their words as absolute truth.
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Old 02-14-2005, 09:36 PM
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How long?

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people take their words as absolute truth.
I don't think anyone really and totally thinks something someone posts on the internet as 'absolute truth'. We've all learned.

Last summer I posted a totally phony story on GC, and it got a tremendous response, but apparently no one bothered to see if it was true.

I also heard today that Dan Rather's CBS Evening News had a report just before the Super Bowl on Black quarterbacks. They rehashed this story, and used it to slam Rush Limbaugh, who had stuck his mouth into it in August or Sept. of 2003. Rathers and his reporters apparently implied that Limbaugh had made his comments in 2005, and that is clearly a distortion. How long 'til Dan checks out? How long 'til CBS can recover?
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Old 02-14-2005, 11:24 PM
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Some on line were simply trying to make sense of what happened. "Have we entered an era where our lives can be destroyed by a pack of wolves hacking at their keyboards with no oversight, no editors, and no accountability?" asked a blogger named Mark Coffey, 36, who says he works as an analyst in Austin, Tex. "Or does it mean that we've entered a brave new world where the MSM has become irrelevant," he asked, using blogger shorthand for mainstream media.
How does oversight, editors, and no accountability (to profit) affect the truth?

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His own conclusion is that the mainstream media "is being held to account as never before by the strong force of individual citizens who won't settle for sloppy research and inflammatory comments without foundation, particularly from those with a wide national reach, such as Rather and Eason."
I think this is much more on target.

At the same time, no one can believe everything they read on the internet...hell, probably most of it is made up. Yet it does provide us the opportunity to get info from other sources and a way for the 'little' man to actually get his story out against that of the main stream media.

I think that fact that proof has risen against these two large names is evidence that we need something like this to ensure the integrity of our news.
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Old 02-15-2005, 10:39 AM
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Re: How long?

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I don't think anyone really and totally thinks something someone posts on the internet as 'absolute truth'. We've all learned.
Why then, do you suppose, that every time Matt Drudge comes up with something sensational, everyone picks it up and runs with it?

Oh, I forgot, he was right -- once.
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Old 02-15-2005, 10:49 AM
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It is scary to them (and me) that some (not necessarily all) large part of these bloggers have no journalistic/reporting credentials at all and people take their words as absolute truth.

In a certain sense, it's the fall of one of the last "good-ol' boy" networks, specifically Washington journalism. The reality is that, no matter how intense their effects on the populus, journalists are not trained or held to the standards of a lawyer or doctor. Their credentials are largely honor- or (to a lesser extent) merit-based, and you're seeing a backlash against those who have abused the privilege, in my mind.

Just like every other backlash, it will go too far, then regress to the mean - hopefully, this leads to an era of greater accountability for those who carry journalistic/reporting credentials, instead of continuing down the path of sensationalism but simply changing the media of choice to the sketchy weblog.
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Old 02-15-2005, 02:36 PM
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In a certain sense, it's the fall of one of the last "good-ol' boy" networks, specifically Washington journalism. The reality is that, no matter how intense their effects on the populus, journalists are not trained or held to the standards of a lawyer or doctor. Their credentials are largely honor- or (to a lesser extent) merit-based, and you're seeing a backlash against those who have abused the privilege, in my mind.

Just like every other backlash, it will go too far, then regress to the mean - hopefully, this leads to an era of greater accountability for those who carry journalistic/reporting credentials, instead of continuing down the path of sensationalism but simply changing the media of choice to the sketchy weblog.
Hopefully this all is a wake-up call to those who run journalism programs; as you said, there's been less of the "good ol' boy" network lately, and more journalists who have earned their way through a combination of schooling and experience.

It's tough to walk the line sometimes; if you want to work in a major media market, you need to get noticed. For more and more young journalists, getting noticed can lead to unethical behavior (Jayson Blair, for example). Is this corrected with more vigilant faculty on the college level (I had many professors who required contact info for all sources)? Does more professional experience, whether through internships or college jobs, help to eliminate some of this nonsense?

The stuff of Hearst and early journalists just won't cut it anymore. We're in a whole new world for journalism, and hopefully journalists respond to this with increased concern for ethics.
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Old 02-15-2005, 06:25 PM
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Why then, do you suppose, that every time Matt Drudge comes up with something sensational, everyone picks it up and runs with it?
Everyone doesn't include me or any of my friends. But, if Drudge wasn't usually right, he would soon be ignored.

I know once he said "Several media outlets are investigating a former John Kerry secretary - who has recently moved to Africa - and may have been Kerry's girl friend."

The lazy media who started saying "Kerry's girl friend flees to Africa" got it wrong, and those who followed-up learned there was nothing to it (or at least no credible proof).
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