Who will Michael Moore support next?

[hoosier]

Who will Michael Moore support next?

[KSig RC]

oscar meyer.


-rc
--because he's a fat piece of crap, get it? get it??

[honeychile]

Originally posted by KSig RC
oscar meyer.


-rc
--because he's a fat piece of crap, get it? get it??

Darn - you beat me to it! I was going to say a ham sandwich!

[KillarneyRose]

Hmmm, Anton LeVay isn't around anymore is he?

[Love_Spell_6]

[Munchkin03]

Originally posted by honeychile
Darn - you beat me to it! I was going to say a ham sandwich!

Oh the irony.

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by Munchkin03
Oh the irony.

YES!








PS - Moore is still a piece of shit - great thread brewing

Originally posted by honeychile
Darn - you beat me to it! I was going to say a ham sandwich!

Oh MAN do i have my fingers crossed for a Mama Cass result

KS 361

[Nikki_DZ]

If you don't like Michael Moore's politics, fine. But is it really necessary to insult his appearance? Or does being overweight and sloppy automatically make him a bad person?

I have no issue with anyone disagreeing with Mr. Moore-I'm a "bleeding heart" and even I think he goes a bit too far sometimes. But honestly, address the real issue you dislike, don't act like 15 year old girls.

[hottytoddy]

Is Michael Moore the one who got onstage at the Oscar's saying "Shame on you President Bush?" I'm thinking it was. I haven't seen Farenheit 911. However at places like the Oscar's I think celebs should keep their opinions to themselves. I think there is a better time and place for that. I am not criticizing his movie at all, or his right to free speech. I just think doing it at the Academy Awards was tacky. BTW--please don't yell at me if this was not him...if it wasn't then whoever did it was tacky. This is a night to recognize people in film for their work. I actually think making the movie Farenheit 911 was a great way to get your message across, rather than shouting out unexpected messages onstage at an awards show.

Perfect example: I consider myself one of the biggest Pearl Jam fans in the world. I went to one of their concerts not long ago where they were preaching about politics. Their music lately seems to have some sort of political agenda lately. I don't pay money to hear them preach about politics....I care about listening to their music. I don't care what they think about politics. I'm not saying they don't have the right to do it. I'm just saying they should get involved (which they do) with organizations that they support and speak their mind this way, instead of preaching to people who just want to see a good concert.

And I am not saying this about all people...Bruce Springsteen gave a benefit concert especially for the Kerry campaign...so people who went to that show knew that politics were going to be involved. So that is different... And I applaud him for getting involved in what he believes in.

Like I said, I know they have a right to do this. But does anyone agree that there is a time and place for this?

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by Nikki_DZ
If you don't like Michael Moore's politics, fine. But is it really necessary to insult his appearance? Or does being overweight and sloppy automatically make him a bad person?

I have no issue with anyone disagreeing with Mr. Moore-I'm a "bleeding heart" and even I think he goes a bit too far sometimes. But honestly, address the real issue you dislike, don't act like 15 year old girls.

here's the connection then, bleeding heart:

Moore is slovenly and slothful not merely in appearance, but also in his approach to such novelties as the "truth" and "intellectual honesty" . . .

While he is positively brilliant when it comes to cinematography and presenting images to prove a point, he sets the cause of true radicalism back decades by presenting half-truths and twisted, inconsistent logic to prove an unnecessarily personal point. At no point does he set forth solutions to the problems he defines (or creates through smoke and mirrors), rather choosing the fallacious moral highground of a "whistleblower" . . .

Fuck the guy, then - and liberals should hate him even more, for twisting and perverting their views and goals. Is that better?

He's not a bad person b/c he's fat - he's just a bad person. The joke was just too easy as it stood.

[Angels&Arrows]

I have read this thread with soo many comments to myself. However, Hottytoddy.. I could not agree with you more. This has to be one of my biggest pet peeves.. though, I normally just change the channel.

On either side of the fence. People pay for performers and actors to perform and act. I could careless about their political views. Unless, they are raising money for a charity.

For the most part... big name performers have little in common with everyday people. I am not saying they were not 8-5 employees at General Hospital, worried about replacing their roof before winter and the best childcare they can afford; prior to their millions... As I arrange for a babysitter and take a cab and T to see their concerts/movies, they are arriving via private jet, to limo and their children at home with the nanny. I pay to hear the music or see the movie, not their political views. Not that I do not think that is GREAT... so would love that lifestyle (atleast for a little while)... that is not how the average American lives. So, it is often hard to connect with them when they are politicing (not a word I am sure).

Originally posted by hottytoddy
Is Michael Moore the one who got onstage at the Oscar's saying "Shame on you President Bush?" I'm thinking it was. I haven't seen Farenheit 911. However at places like the Oscar's I think celebs should keep their opinions to themselves. I think there is a better time and place for that. I am not criticizing his movie at all, or his right to free speech. I just think doing it at the Academy Awards was tacky. BTW--please don't yell at me if this was not him...if it wasn't then whoever did it was tacky. This is a night to recognize people in film for their work. I actually think making the movie Farenheit 911 was a great way to get your message across, rather than shouting out unexpected messages onstage at an awards show.

Perfect example: I consider myself one of the biggest Pearl Jam fans in the world. I went to one of their concerts not long ago where they were preaching about politics. Their music lately seems to have some sort of political agenda lately. I don't pay money to hear them preach about politics....I care about listening to their music. I don't care what they think about politics. I'm not saying they don't have the right to do it. I'm just saying they should get involved (which they do) with organizations that they support and speak their mind this way, instead of preaching to people who just want to see a good concert.

And I am not saying this about all people...Bruce Springsteen gave a benefit concert especially for the Kerry campaign...so people who went to that show knew that politics were going to be involved. So that is different... And I applaud him for getting involved in what he believes in.

Like I said, I know they have a right to do this. But does anyone agree that there is a time and place for this?

[sugar and spice]

Originally posted by KSig RC

Fuck the guy, then - and liberals should hate him even more, for twisting and perverting their views and goals. Is that better?

I think the problem is that his kind of stupid rhetoric and blowing things out of proportion, unfortunately, works. It has been shown that it works to convert people to the right, and if the left want to be able to compete with them, they're going to have to employ the same tactics.

Personally I think the guy's an ass (just like O'Reilly, Franken, Limbaugh, Couter, and their ilk) but I don't mind that he's out there because what he's doing WORKS. The unexpected popularity of Farenheit 9/11, and the amount of people that came out questioning what they had previously thought (even if their questioning was based on propaganda) proves that. I would love for everyone in this country to be able to play the intelligent debate game, but a growing majority of the American people appear not to be able to do that -- or don't want to. When you're looking for pure numbers on your side, you've got to take them any way that they come. Conservatives have known this for years. Liberals are still reluctant to jump on that train, but they're going to have to if they don't want to get left behind.

[James]

I think part of it might be that he either doesn't think or doesn't trust that his audience is that smart or perceptive.

He over explains and sensationalizes to do it. When I find myself over-explaining (never on GC of course) its becasue I am not sure if my auditors are perceptive enough to catch the nuances in my arguments. ITs a failing.

I think that as he matures as a communicator he will grow past that.

Originally posted by KSig RC
here's the connection then, bleeding heart:

Moore is slovenly and slothful not merely in appearance, but also in his approach to such novelties as the "truth" and "intellectual honesty" . . .

While he is positively brilliant when it comes to cinematography and presenting images to prove a point, he sets the cause of true radicalism back decades by presenting half-truths and twisted, inconsistent logic to prove an unnecessarily personal point. At no point does he set forth solutions to the problems he defines (or creates through smoke and mirrors), rather choosing the fallacious moral highground of a "whistleblower" . . .

Fuck the guy, then - and liberals should hate him even more, for twisting and perverting their views and goals. Is that better?

He's not a bad person b/c he's fat - he's just a bad person. The joke was just too easy as it stood.

[honeychile]

I was equating "ham" to a bad actor - especially since there's proof that much of his "documentary" was made up.


But yes, he is slovenly. So were most of John Belushi's characters. Maybe there was a subconscious connection...




But it really isn't important - he's destroyed any credibility that he may have had for a majority of this country.