colony: Cutting people for the first time.

[archangel689]

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[MoxieGrrl]

Out of curiousity, has this guy or his prospective done anything that really makes you not want them to be included? Bad grades? Nasty attitude?

You mentioned that this guy wouldn't bring any diversity, what kind of diversity are you looking for? In no way do I mean to be disrespectful, but when I attended Duquesne (I think where you said your chapter was).....it was the antithesis of diversity, in the aspects of race, SES, and attitude. Finding the right balance of diversity might be something difficult to attain.

How does your voting work? Is it ok for your president to overrule the rest of the chapter on this matter? Check over your rules, and if they don't give him this power, call him on it!

Good luck, Tony! You've come this far, don't get discouraged by this wackiness

[KEPike]

Throwing numbers completely out the window, does your chapter use the rush czar system? This is basically where the rush chair has the final say from the chapter as far as bids go and his word cannot be questioned? If you don't, you might want to try to implement this system.

I completely agree with your assessment that bidding a guy just to boot him out later defeats the purpose of recruitment. You are attempting to find men who will become brothers, not pledges.

I can go back and forth on the quantity vs. quality issue, but the fact of the matter is that they are both linked. In my opinion, you cannot have one without having the other.

My chapter is a young one as well (less than 10 years) and it seems that we had similar problems in terms of bidding whomever walked through the door. Now, we don't do that but we are not elitist by any means. Our chapter constitues roughly 30% of our Greek System...so obviously we are doing something right. My point is that the decisions you make now in terms of cutting people down the road can be changed. It may take some time, but it sounds as if you are bidding the right kinds of men and that your colony is on the verge of becoming a chapter! So congratulations!

[archangel689]

Originally posted by MoxieGrrl
Out of curiousity, has this guy or his prospective done anything that really makes you not want them to be included? Bad grades? Nasty attitude?

None of that. He's a nice guy, like I've said, it's just that we have too many people like him already. He's not social, everyone has agreed we have too many people who are not willing to socialize. Our reputation has been damaged because of it and we need to balance things out. I'm not saying the guy can't be friends with us and possibly get a bid next semester.

As for RUSH CZAR, it didnt work while we were an interest group because there was no pledging. The rush chair of an interest group will have way way too much power in a rush czar system. In that case it caused a crapload of problems so we threw it out. It especially causes problems when you have a rush chairman that sucks and bids everyone.

Now we are going by it since we are now a colony. All bids are at my disposal, however, people whine and bitch too much and question if I know what I'm doing. Frankly I'm not putting up with it and I wanted them to know that their exec board supports me so I let them make the decision.


-Tony

[texas*princess]

IMO, I just think it should be up to the colony who they feel good Brothers would be.


just my .02

[James]

I missed the first post, so I may not understand the problem. A nice guy wants to come out who is much like most of the chapter, and fits the requirements?

But you don't want him in because he doesn't add diversity.

Let me deadly honest and don't flame me kids.

The only reason that would be a factor is if you have too many people that are already less than cool. And you are rightly afraid of the way the interest group will be perceived on campus.

Girls are more aware of the social ramifications of their members' profiles but men are not completely oblivious.

If you get too many, and please excuse me! Dorks, or socially backwards people, it will seriously affect your future prospects, both with Rushing and with girls.

To say anything else is . . . just . . . not . . . true.

By the way, that is not totally a looks things . . . gubberdom is an essence.

IF you can trade him out for a better prospect fine. But if you need to fill a live body quota ($$$$$) quota that most national's ask for, hold your breathe, take him, and introduce a fitness program into your pledge program.

IF you can't have people with natural finesse . . . well jocks aren't bad either lol.

[Tom Earp]

James, could not haver said it better without getting upset with you Tony!

Diversity my butt!!

You had better get a Good New Man when you can!

One of these days, when you are BMOC, and you feel that you are soaring High, and the wind stops and you fall to earth, then what!

I am sure that most of the people of GC have seen the Have Nots become the Its of their Organizations!

Turn down your nose at someone, you will smell s&^% in the long run!

You and your Group are young, I suggest, that you grow up and then continue to Grow!

Tony, just to show you, When I started the Local, I got mist-fits, homies, and guys kicked out of other Fraternitys.

We have been there since 1965! Founders Day Weekend Feb. 2003 for LX Z! My Chapter!

[Kevin]

As far as recruitment/retention decisions I would be inclined to tell you to listen to your brothers and hear what they have to say about things. I'm sure you'll find them on both sides of the fence.

I don't think that guys looking at other houses are very conscious of image -- they're more concerned with where they're comfortable.... In most fraternities your opportunities will be very similar.

Your rush czar method sounds interesting. Back when I was a colonist it was basically the same voting system as we have in chapter. One vote to the negative and they wouldn't get in. It worked out and we're a chapter now