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Old 08-30-2002, 01:52 PM
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Pepsi Pulls Ludacris Commercial

I heard about this on the radio the other day...

http://www.msnbc.com/news/800995.asp
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Old 08-30-2002, 05:06 PM
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Didn't Pepsi know what kind of artist Ludacris was before they signed him as an endorser? They couldn't of thought that he was holding hands and skipping through a field of daisies in his videos. Seems kind of like being punks by dropping him just because someone finally noticed who he was.
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Old 09-04-2002, 09:41 PM
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I think so many people are looking at this as if this is a black/white issue, and/or that Pepsi pulled the ad because Bill O'Reilly said so. But honestly, Is Ludacris a good role model? I know that Brittany Spears wears revealing clothes, thus making her an unfit role model as well, however, that has nothing to do with Ludacris. I refuse to keep supporting entertainers, especially African American men who disrespect women in their music and on their videos, and get rich off of that. He may be a good entertainer to some, but the bottom line is that he is not a good role model. I usually turn a blind eye to the content of the songs because the beat is hot, and/or you can dance to it, but it's getting harder and harder b/c of the blatant disrespect for African American women. This is an artist who talks about his "hoes in different area codes" and other things along that line (I'm sure you all know . I am not offended because his songs are not directed at me, however it is directed to women (namely African American women) and I am not going to support that. Please don't get caught up in the rhetoric and miss the whole point. It may have been bad judgment for Pepsi to do this after Bill O'Reilly said something about it, but they definitely made the right move. Ludacris and many other rappers are not good role models for our community, and that is what we should be standing up for. Don't forget, most people who purchase the CD's and support these rappers financially are minors! Do you want your son telling you how many hoes he has? I know Parenting should usurp some of the influence that rappers have, but we all know it doesn't. What Pepsi did does not mean Ludacris is a bad person, it just means he should not be a national spokesperson for a product and I agree 100%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Old 09-04-2002, 10:41 PM
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Hmmm....

Sister Greek Love_Spell_6,

I totally agree with you on Ludacris not being the best role model. I went to school with Chris, the student, but Ludacris, the rapper, does offend me in a lot of areas. Despite that, he eventually became one of MTV's Darlings which showed that he definitely had marketability. I doubt that morals were a big part of the decision to sign him.

What offends me is the fact that Pepsi pulled him so quickly without only after Bill O'Reilly and 3,000 people sent e-mails in denouncing Ludacris. Why is Bill O'Reilly allowed to speak for African-Amercians and the hip-hop communities, but they haven't thought to consult anyone in either community? To be brief, I found their actions to lack respect for both communities and the dollars they spend. If they can do it, what would stop other companies from doing whatever they want without regard to the dollars we pump into their bottom line in the future?

Frankly, it was dumb to approach someone to be a spokesperson without thoroughly researching them and finding they're a fun-loving person that would not be a first choice for a role model. However, I still think Pepsi is wrong. Rather than just complain about it, there is a boycott of Pepsico going on, and one figure behind it is Frank Ski of V-103 in Atlanta. FYI, he hosts a top-rated radio morning show in Atlanta and Baltimore. I am not buying any Pepsico products until they can respect us.
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Old 09-05-2002, 12:05 AM
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Re: Hmmm....

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Sister Greek Love_Spell_6,

I totally agree with you on Ludacris not being the best role model. I went to school with Chris, the student, but Ludacris, the rapper, does offend me in a lot of areas. Despite that, he eventually became one of MTV's Darlings which showed that he definitely had marketability. I doubt that morals were a big part of the decision to sign him.

What offends me is the fact that Pepsi pulled him so quickly without only after Bill O'Reilly and 3,000 people sent e-mails in denouncing Ludacris. Why is Bill O'Reilly allowed to speak for African-Amercians and the hip-hop communities, but they haven't thought to consult anyone in either community? To be brief, I found their actions to lack respect for both communities and the dollars they spend. If they can do it, what would stop other companies from doing whatever they want without regard to the dollars we pump into their bottom line in the future?

Frankly, it was dumb to approach someone to be a spokesperson without thoroughly researching them and finding they're a fun-loving person that would not be a first choice for a role model. However, I still think Pepsi is wrong. Rather than just complain about it, there is a boycott of Pepsico going on, and one figure behind it is Frank Ski of V-103 in Atlanta. FYI, he hosts a top-rated radio morning show in Atlanta and Baltimore. I am not buying any Pepsico products until they can respect us.
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I feel you jojapeach........

But unfortunately, until "WE" as a community hold stock in major companies and are board members, etc., they will survive our mini boycotts . And you know, that many people are so apathetic, they could care less about this issue. Pepsi just showed that they care more about some people's (stockholders etc..) opinions than others. But hey, if the boycott is in your heart...go for it.....for that matter, sodas aren't good for you anyway, so this could be a good thing!
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Old 09-07-2002, 10:09 AM
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there's a role model double standard

1st, on a funny note: Ludacris is on Eminem's "Anger Management Tour". Last night, he came on stage drinking out of a 3-liter bottle of Coke.. talkin' bout, "Ahhhh, THIS TASTE SOOOOO GUUUUUUD !"

Secondly, there's a double standard present in this "pepsi/Ludacris" image issue.

There are actors/actresses who play: whores (Julia Roberts), pimps, gangsters (Al Pacino), murderers, serial killers ( the Hannibal Lecter dude), drug addicts, etc who never lose commercial deals due to the charicters they portray.

Ludacris (for example) to my knowledge isn't a pimp. He said he has ho's in every area code in a song, but that's not reality. In the same fashion that Samuel Jackson willingly portrayed a crack addict in "Jungle Fever", which is a terrible "image" to portray. But in real life, he's NOT A CRACK ADDICT (even though he had some dependency problem earlier in his life).

Arnold Schwartzeneger kills 200 people in a "commando" movie. Easy E kills 200 people on a "NWA" album. Neither kills "1" person in real life.... What's the difference? There is no difference (except for the forum of the media - film vs audio).
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Old 09-07-2002, 10:53 AM
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Exclamation I have tried to hold back...

...But I can't. The question of Pepsi's right to take Ludacris off of it's endorsement roster isn't the question here, Pepsi is a private company that can hire and fire employees at will.

The issue of a Double standard that has come up in several posts in this thread is interesting to say the least. Doggystyle says that Ludacris should be seen as an actor, playing a role , like Samuel L. Jackson or Al Pacino. Intersting because no rapper ever claims to be an actor on their records, that would cut into their crediblitiy "on the street" and record sales. Sure, Ludacris or Easy E probably never killed anybody, but in the records they say that they will, not some character that they portray. When Ludacris says "I got H*** in different area codes..." he's is not saying Ludacris is portraying the role of a pimp for this story I am rapping in, he is saying Ludacris is a pimp!!!

Part of the appeal of rap for years now has been authenticity, that they are giving you real life through the art of rapping. Acting is a different art form, it doesn't rely on the actor's own life experience necessarily in order to be performed. The best raps come straight from heart, written by the person performing it (ideally). The acting roles come straight from the actor's ability to tell a story not necessarily about themselves, or to portray a character. For the most part, actors aren't expected to write the stories they tell or the characters they play. For rappers to start hanging their hats on the nail of "I ain't keeping it real" it would take away from their credibility as rap artists, which, in my opinion is a joke. I haven't seen a RAP ARTIST in heavy rotation on BET for about 8 years. What you see now a days is a bunch of street hoods who are greedy, unashamedly so, and who will say anything that a record company wants them to say in order to get paid. They don't even have a clue about hip-hop aesthetics, artist integrity, or art period. They are giving away the art, check the soundscan. Eminem is the best selling rapper today. He by far isn't the best, but white folks say he is, because we gave rap to white record execs who now tell us what is acceptable in the rap game (a rap aesthetic). In 20 years, Rap will be like Rock and Roll, Jazz, and Blues with Eminiem going down as the best rapper of all time .

Ludacris, just like 90% of the rappers out today, doesn't deserve the black community's support on this or any other issue. Until rappers get back valuing rap as an artform and not a cash cow, we will continue to see gross injustices occur towards them. Most rappers sell out the black community daily, it's time we hold them accountable.

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Old 09-07-2002, 01:10 PM
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Re: I have tried to hold back...

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...But I can't. The question of Pepsi's right to take Ludacris off of it's endorsement roster isn't the question here, Pepsi is a private company that can hire and fire employees at will.

The issue of a Double standard that has come up in several posts in this thread is interesting to say the least. Doggystyle says that Ludacris should be seen as an actor, playing a role , like Samuel L. Jackson or Al Pacino. Intersting because no rapper ever claims to be an actor on their records, that would cut into their crediblitiy "on the street" and record sales. Sure, Ludacris or Easy E probably never killed anybody, but in the records they say that they will, not some character that they portray. When Ludacris says "I got H*** in different area codes..." he's is not saying Ludacris is portraying the role of a pimp for this story I am rapping in, he is saying Ludacris is a pimp!!!

Part of the appeal of rap for years now has been authenticity, that they are giving you real life through the art of rapping. Acting is a different art form, it doesn't rely on the actor's own life experience necessarily in order to be performed. The best raps come straight from heart, written by the person performing it (ideally). The acting roles come straight from the actor's ability to tell a story not necessarily about themselves, or to portray a character. For the most part, actors aren't expected to write the stories they tell or the characters they play. For rappers to start hanging their hats on the nail of "I ain't keeping it real" it would take away from their credibility as rap artists, which, in my opinion is a joke. I haven't seen a RAP ARTIST in heavy rotation on BET for about 8 years. What you see now a days is a bunch of street hoods who are greedy, unashamedly so, and who will say anything that a record company wants them to say in order to get paid. They don't even have a clue about hip-hop aesthetics, artist integrity, or art period. They are giving away the art, check the soundscan. Eminem is the best selling rapper today. He by far isn't the best, but white folks say he is, because we gave rap to white record execs who now tell us what is acceptable in the rap game (a rap aesthetic). In 20 years, Rap will be like Rock and Roll, Jazz, and Blues with Eminiem going down as the best rapper of all time .

Ludacris, just like 90% of the rappers out today, doesn't deserve the black community's support on this or any other issue. Until rappers get back valuing rap as an artform and not a cash cow, we will continue to see gross injustices occur towards them. Most rappers sell out the black community daily, it's time we hold them accountable.

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Everybody wants to point the finger at others and say well they do this.......... and they still get ads........ Well, this discussion to me is about Ludicrous (rappers) and their influence on young black people. Blackwatch was right on time mentioning the whole "keepin it real" standard. Even if it is a lie what they're saying, they want you to believe they are living that life. For our community (most importantly African American women) to continue supporting rappers that call us whores, b*tches, and whatever else rolls off their tongue is absurd! THese rappers (and many other men for that matter ) only do what women tolerate. Do you think if when they called us whores and b*tches, we stopped going to their concerts, stopped shaking it in their videos (which is a whole new discussion) or buy their records they'd still do it? Think about it!!!! If we keep telling our children that this is ok, don't get mad at them when they disrespect us! All they see is the fast $ and they want that exposure too! And you know Pepsi didn't think about that, but we need to!
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Old 09-07-2002, 01:14 PM
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Re: I have tried to hold back...

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Eminem is the best selling rapper today. He by far isn't the best, but white folks say he is, because we gave rap to white record execs who now tell us what is acceptable in the rap game (a rap aesthetic). In 20 years, Rap will be like Rock and Roll, Jazz, and Blues with Eminiem going down as the best rapper of all time .
Actually, don't let Eminem's whiteness fool you. He is a great lyricist, despite his boy-next-door physical appeal. I doubt he will go down as the "greatest" when it is all said and done. I do agree that there are far better socially conscious MC's than Em, but that just depends on what the topic of the verse or song is.

As far as a double standard, I don't think there is one. Pepsi pulled Madonna from their advertisements for the same reason as they are pulling Ludacris. I think it hurts efforts to eradicate TRUE double-standards in our society when we cry foul at EVERYthing.
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Old 09-08-2002, 02:24 AM
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Re: Re: I have tried to hold back...

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Actually, don't let Eminem's whiteness fool you. He is a great lyricist, despite his boy-next-door physical appeal. I doubt he will go down as the "greatest" when it is all said and done. I do agree that there are far better socially conscious MC's than Em, but that just depends on what the topic of the verse or song is.

As far as a double standard, I don't think there is one. Pepsi pulled Madonna from their advertisements for the same reason as they are pulling Ludacris. I think it hurts efforts to eradicate TRUE double-standards in our society when we cry foul at EVERYthing.
I agree, for the most part, regarding the double standard. Ludacris is not an actor stating that he is portraying a character or role. Brittany may dress like a HO (I think she deserves to be pulled too), but she supposedly has morals...Ludicris and Madonna both have (for Madonna, had) images that lacked morality, and I think that's what Pepsci is concerned with...Anyway, Coke tastes betterthan Pepsci...and soda is not healthy for people to drink all the time (drink some juice!!)...

As for Eminem, many people claim that he is the best lyricist of all time. Frankly I am tired of hearing this b/c for one he's not. All he talks about is homosexuality and his Momma (how many songs are you going to make about your f'ed up childhood! Go get some therapy! You can afford it now!)...Everything that comes out his mouth is negative...
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Old 09-10-2002, 11:09 AM
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Ludacris has asked Rev. Al Sharpton and Johnnie Cochran to help him protest getting dropped as a spokesman for Pepsi. Sharpton confirmed that the rapper "reached out" to him. We told you last week that Pepsi canceled an ad campaign starring Ludacris after critism by Fox News commentator Bill O'Reilly led to complaints from consumers. (O'Reilly said Ludacris would be an inappropriate spokesman for ads aimed at youth because the rapper's lyrics seem to glorify drug sales, violence, the degradation of women and the abuse of alcohol.) Ludacris released this statement blasting O'Reilly:

"Recent conservative spectator opinions might have been the cause of my botched relationship with Pepsi, but understand, my message represents an ideology ... that corporate and political forces can't touch… Over the past few days, I have rethought my approach as to how I do business and retained a team to create a campaign called, 'It's Got To Be Ludacris' to take the power back for the good of the hip-hop community. I'm calling on all artists, fans, friends, and members of the new generation to join in rallying with me--to create one voice and take it all back."

Meanwhile, Pepsi is getting ready to roll out another ad campaign
with some celebrity spokespersons who aren't exactly squeaky clean: the rock band Papa Roach. Two years ago, these guys appeared in an adult video called "Backstage Sluts 3" and lead singer Jacoby Shaddix once allegedly peed into a bottle of Gatorade (which happens to be owned by Pepsi) during a concert in Boston and gave the bottle to a fan. Jacoby Shaddix says the band wishes they'd never made that dirty movie.

Will Bill O'Reilly launch a campaign against Papa Roach? The Fox
News talker said, quote: "If Pepsi hires some other geeks, we'll
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Old 09-10-2002, 11:43 AM
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Ludacris has asked Rev. Al Sharpton and Johnnie Cochran to help him protest getting dropped as a spokesman for Pepsi. Sharpton confirmed that the rapper "reached out" to him. We told you last week that Pepsi canceled an ad campaign starring Ludacris after critism by Fox News commentator Bill O'Reilly led to complaints from consumers. (O'Reilly said Ludacris would be an inappropriate spokesman for ads aimed at youth because the rapper's lyrics seem to glorify drug sales, violence, the degradation of women and the abuse of alcohol.) Ludacris released this statement blasting O'Reilly:

"Recent conservative spectator opinions might have been the cause of my botched relationship with Pepsi, but understand, my message represents an ideology ... that corporate and political forces can't touch… Over the past few days, I have rethought my approach as to how I do business and retained a team to create a campaign called, 'It's Got To Be Ludacris' to take the power back for the good of the hip-hop community. I'm calling on all artists, fans, friends, and members of the new generation to join in rallying with me--to create one voice and take it all back."

Meanwhile, Pepsi is getting ready to roll out another ad campaign
with some celebrity spokespersons who aren't exactly squeaky clean: the rock band Papa Roach. Two years ago, these guys appeared in an adult video called "Backstage Sluts 3" and lead singer Jacoby Shaddix once allegedly peed into a bottle of Gatorade (which happens to be owned by Pepsi) during a concert in Boston and gave the bottle to a fan. Jacoby Shaddix says the band wishes they'd never made that dirty movie.

Will Bill O'Reilly launch a campaign against Papa Roach? The Fox
News talker said, quote: "If Pepsi hires some other geeks, we'll
take a look at them too."
Oh, geez.

You know, Papa Roach can't even be compared. They only appeal to a *certain* audience and aren't NEARLY as popular as Ludacris. Hip hop in general has a far more mainstream appeal than the alternative rock of Papa Roach. Most people probably have little idea who they are or what they sing about. As for Ludacris, his image is pretty clear. As for the whole "ideology" defense, why would we want to defend that?? THAT is the problem in the urban community now, and Ludacris wants us to stand up and defend his misogyny and materialism?? No thanks. And if Al Sharpton gets involved, that will be so hypocritical. This is not about race for once. Stop acting like it is.
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Old 09-10-2002, 10:20 PM
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Lightbulb Ludacris Responds to Pepsi!!!

Monday, Sep 9, 2002, 12:15 pm EST

Ludacris Responds to Pepsi Situation
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New York, NY - Def Jam recording artist and multi-platinum-selling rapper Ludacris, who was recently dropped from his endorsement deal with Pepsi following an on-air tirade by Bill OReilly of Fox News Channels The OReilly Factor, has issued a statement on the situation. The Fox show aired August 27. The statement from Ludacris is as follows:

As an entrepreneur with the creative artistry thats the choice of the New Generation, I take pride in what I share with the millions of consumers of my music all of my fans with whom I am in-sync. Recent conservative spectator opinions might have been the cause of my botched relationship with Pepsi but understand, my message represents an ideology and way of life that is true to me and the new generation to an extent that corporate and political forces can`t touch.

At one time, I helped Pepsi to navigate their product through the inner-city communities that are vital to their sales and they embraced my honesty with my fans and applauded my style. Over the past few days I have rethought my approach as to how I do business and retained a team to create a campaign called, Its Got To Be Ludacris to take the power back for the good of the hip hop community.

The situation may be bigger than me, but it is not bigger than my fans. Im calling on all artists, fans, friends, and members of the new generation to join in rallying with me to create one voice and take it all back time and place to be announced.

Oh, and OMT (One More Thing): Players govern players. Spectators form opinions.

BlackHeadlines.com

I cannot believe he is asking people to stand up for him!
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Old 09-10-2002, 10:23 PM
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is Luddy disrespectful to the Ladies?

I don't listen much to Luddy but does he really degrade women in his music? Just like to know from someone who is aware of his lyrics.
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Old 09-10-2002, 10:29 PM
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Re: is Luddy disrespectful to the Ladies?

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I don't listen much to Luddy but does he really degrade women in his music? Just like to know from someone who is aware of his lyrics.

wel, you be the judge....he sings about having Hoes in different area codes....and having a song titled Move B*tch!.... and that's just a start. And if you want a visual, look at his videos. Granted, the women are dancing in the videos by choice...but that's a whole different thread
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