violation of constitutional rights?

[JustLily]

I have a situation at my university. There is this new NPC law that says we cannot "favor" any fraternity. I feel this is a violation of the first amendment rights of freedom of speech and expression. My fiance is the president of his fraternity and I am not allowed to say "Rush ---" so basically they are limiting these rights if I cannot express my feelings. Also we were forced to remove facebook pictures that favored this fraternity. Honestly to me this whole situation is more about the principle of the matter as I feel they cannot legally tell us what to wear/say/display and it over steps their authority. Any thoughts? or please correct me if there is some reason this is legal.

[Shellfish]

Aren't you in a local?

[GolfersLady]

You also have a right to not be a member of an organization whose rules and guidelines you do not agree with.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by JustLily

I have a situation at my university. There is this new NPC law that says we cannot "favor" any fraternity. I feel this is a violation of the first amendment rights of freedom of speech and expression. . . . Any thoughts? or please correct me if there is some reason this is legal.

The Constitution is the framework for the governmental structure of the United States. It deals with the scope of powers of the federal government, how the federal government relates to state governments, and how governments (federal and state) relate to citizens. It protects certain rights from government intrusion. With specific regard to your question, it provides that the government (federal or state) cannot infringe upon your free speech rights or free association rights.

Neither the NPC nor the local panhellenic council is the government. Therefore, the Constitution and constitutional rights are completely irrelevant to the situation you're describing.


I weep sometimes when I think just how little people seem to know about something so basic to our civic life.

[victoriana]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I weep sometimes when I think just how little people seem to know about something so basic to our civic life.

SNAPS to that my friend. This seems like something that would be addressed in your Panhellenic rules or Greek Life rules.

[OneHeartOneWay]

I agree 100% with MC and others above.

But, as an FYI to the OP, this is not just on your campus. This is an NPC resolution adopted on October 22, 2010 applying to all campuses (campi?) When you chose membership into your organization, you agreed to abide by it's rules. Even if you are a local, if you are in your campus Panhellenic, same situation.

Here's a link to the resolution:
http://www.npcwomen.org/resources/pd...ecruitment.pdf

[Gusteau]

Originally Posted by OneHeartOneWay

I agree 100% with MC and others above.

But, as an FYI to the OP, this is not just on your campus. This is an NPC resolution adopted on October 22, 2010 applying to all campuses (campi?) When you chose membership into your organization, you agreed to abide by it's rules. Even if you are a local, if you are in your campus Panhellenic, same situation.

Here's a link to the resolution:
http://www.npcwomen.org/resources/pd...ecruitment.pdf

I was under the impression that unlike unanimous agreements, resolutions were merely recommendations and only enforceable by campus panhellenics amending their by-laws to coincide with them.

Of course, I'm not an expert on the matter.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by OneHeartOneWay

I agree 100% with MC and others above.

But, as an FYI to the OP, this is not just on your campus. This is an NPC resolution adopted on October 22, 2010 applying to all campuses (campi?) When you chose membership into your organization, you agreed to abide by it's rules. Even if you are a local, if you are in your campus Panhellenic, same situation.

Here's a link to the resolution:
http://www.npcwomen.org/resources/pd...ecruitment.pdf

If this is the "NPC law" the OP is talking about, it doesn't even seem to do what she claims. The "Resolved" paragraphs say (with my emphasis):

Resolved, That pursuant to the provisions of Title IX of the Education Amendment of 1972 confirming the single-sex designation for women’s and men’s fraternities, the National Panhellenic Conference member groups expect their members not to participate in any men’s fraternity recruitment events; and
Resolved, That College Panhellenics are encouraged to adopt a policy that restricts Panhellenic women from participating in any men’s fraternity recruitment events.

The main predicate for these "Resolved" paragraphs is this:

Whereas, Women serving as hostesses and guests for men’s recruitment events or participating in any way may compromise the ability for men’s fraternities and women’s fraternities/sororities to remain single sex organizations;

I'm not sure how "participating in any men's fraternity recruitment events" equals saying anything that favors a particular fraternity.

And sorry, and perhaps it's because I just happened to read this thread again, but I did chuckle at how the resoution applies NPC terms -- recruitment and prospective new members -- to men's groups that typically don't use those terms.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

If this is the "NPC law" the OP is talking about, it doesn't even seem to do what she claims. The "Resolved" paragraphs say (with my emphasis):
The main predicate for these "Resolved" paragraphs is this:
I'm not sure how "participating in any men's fraternity recruitment events" equals saying anything that favors a particular fraternity.

And sorry, and perhaps it's because I just happened to read this thread again, but I did chuckle at how the resoution uses NPC terms -- recruitment and prospective new members -- to men's groups that typically don't use those terms.

Who knows what the rule REALLY says? It's like a big ole game of telephone.

[katydidKD]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

The Constitution is the framework for the governmental structure of the United States. It deals with the scope of powers of the federal government, how the federal government relates to state governments, and how governments (federal and state) relate to citizens. It protects certain rights from government intrusion. With specific regard to your question, it provides that the government (federal or state) cannot infringe upon your free speech rights or free association rights.

Neither the NPC nor the local panhellenic council is the government. Therefore, the Constitution and constitutional rights are completely irrelevant to the situation you're describing.


I weep sometimes when I think just how little people seem to know about something so basic to our civic life.

YOU TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OFF MY KEYBOARD! Seriously I am a law student, but i learned this in high school government. So sad a college student thought panhellenic was governed by the US Constitution

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by JustLily

I have a situation at my university. There is this new NPC law that says we cannot "favor" any fraternity. I feel this is a violation of the first amendment rights of freedom of speech and expression. My fiance is the president of his fraternity and I am not allowed to say "Rush ---" so basically they are limiting these rights if I cannot express my feelings. Also we were forced to remove facebook pictures that favored this fraternity. Honestly to me this whole situation is more about the principle of the matter as I feel they cannot legally tell us what to wear/say/display and it over steps their authority. Any thoughts? or please correct me if there is some reason this is legal.

You should use the grievance procedures available to you through your organization and through your school if you feel strongly enough about it.

Even if the first amendment itself doesn't apply here, if it feels wrong, it is worth looking in to.

[OneHeartOneWay]

You're right...it is essentially a recommendation. But, the recommendation applies to all campuses, which is what I meant. Sorry for being unclear.

I can, of course, only speak from my personal experience, but I know that our sorority is expecting all our chapters to abide by this, even if the campus Panhellenic is not, and is encouraging our chapters to be the ones to make the recommendation to the campus Panhellenic if it is not being done. I know, also, that it is not really being met with any resistance at any of these campuses because without exception (that I am aware of), all of the other sororities are being told the same thing by their (I)NQ.

Now, all that said, is it REALLY being implemented and followed everywhere? Is it just good lip service? That, I have no idea...

[agzg]

I don't know if I want to scream "IT'S A FREE COUNTRY!" or "DEY TOOK ARR JERBS!"

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by agzg

I don't know if I want to scream "IT'S A FREE COUNTRY!" or "DEY TOOK ARR JERBS!"

I, for one, certainly thought this was Merica.

[DrPhil]

I think it's more important to focus on getting rid of brothel laws. This other constitutional stuff can wait.