Hazing types by group type.

[naraht]

I was reading the book "Black Greek Haze" when I realized how completely different hazing events are between the NIC Fraternities (Hist White) and the NPHC Fraternities (Hist Black). (Yes, I know that some of the NPHC fraternities have joined NIC as well, their traditions are still related to their fellow NPHC fraternities.)

IMO, Hazing in NIC fraternities more likely than not involves alcohol, if it doesn't involve alcohol, it involves doing something gross, where the brothers are probably at least a body length away.

OTOH, Hazing in NPHC fraternities more likely than not involves physical contact either directly or at short distance and is likely to be something causing physical damage to the body through the skin.

Extending this on, I *think* that NPC (Hist White Sororities) would be much more psychological, with one reason that it might be exposed being a suicide.

As for the NPHC sororities, I *really* don't know if they are closer to the NPHC fraternities or the NPC sororities. The death in the ocean in Los Angeles doesn't quite seem to fit into either category nicely.

My guess is that the NALFO fraternities and sororities would be closer to the NPHC fraternities and sororities.

Comments?

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by naraht

I was reading the book "Black Greek Haze" when I realized how completely different hazing events are between the NIC Fraternities (Hist White) and the NPHC Fraternities (Hist Black). (Yes, I know that some of the NPHC fraternities have joined NIC as well, their traditions are still related to their fellow NPHC fraternities.)

IMO, Hazing in NIC fraternities more likely than not involves alcohol, if it doesn't involve alcohol, it involves doing something gross, where the brothers are probably at least a body length away.

OTOH, Hazing in NPHC fraternities more likely than not involves physical contact either directly or at short distance and is likely to be something causing physical damage to the body through the skin.

Extending this on, I *think* that NPC (Hist White Sororities) would be much more psychological, with one reason that it might be exposed being a suicide.

As for the NPHC sororities, I *really* don't know if they are closer to the NPHC fraternities or the NPC sororities. The death in the ocean in Los Angeles doesn't quite seem to fit into either category nicely.

My guess is that the NALFO fraternities and sororities would be closer to the NPHC fraternities and sororities.

Comments?

I think you are probably right about any hazing done in NPC groups likely being psychological. Hopefully very little of this is going on since we try to instill in our chapters an environment of love and respect for our new members. As for the suicide....I can't remember seeing any reports of suicides in NPC new member groups. I think more likely, hazing would be reported to the university by a parent, roommate or friend.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

I think you are probably right about any hazing done in NPC groups likely being psychological. Hopefully very little of this is going on since we try to instill in our chapters an environment of love and respect for our new members. As for the suicide....I can't remember seeing any reports of suicides in NPC new member groups. I think more likely, hazing would be reported to the university by a parent, roommate or friend.

I guess I was probably reaching in that regard (the suicide)...

Seriously, does anyone have any examples of cases where NPC sorority members were prosecuted for Hazing and what form it took? (Or conversely where the reason that an NPC sorority was either tossed or had a significant number of sisters forced alumni)

Another aspect that really differs between the groups is the *likelihood* of hazing occuring...

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by naraht

As for the NPHC sororities, I *really* don't know if they are closer to the NPHC fraternities or the NPC sororities.

You wouldn't know. You couldn't know. You shouldn't know.

And on that note:

Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Inc. is a non-hazing organization.
Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. is a non-hazing organization.
Zeta Phi Beta Sorority, Inc. is a non-hazing organization.
Sigma Gamma Rho Sorority, Inc is a non-hazing organization.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by naraht

I guess I was probably reaching in that regard (the suicide)...

Seriously, does anyone have any examples of cases where NPC sorority members were prosecuted for Hazing and what form it took? (Or conversely where the reason that an NPC sorority was either tossed or had a significant number of sisters forced alumni)

Another aspect that really differs between the groups is the *likelihood* of hazing occuring...

I think for NPC, it was very rare for hazing to cause physical harm. There were definitely some lawsuits in the past. All NPC organizations prohibit hazing in all forms, but you really can't know what a few members may do on their own. The events that have come to light recently have been harmless in a physical sense but hazing, nonetheless, by the standards of our organizations. My chapter was completely non-hazing. I know there are probably some AOII chapters out there that get away with minor things...I just hope that they'll realize that they are putting their entire chapter at risk by doing these stupid activities.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

You wouldn't know. You couldn't know. You shouldn't know.

And on that note:

Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Inc. is a non-hazing organization.
Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. is a non-hazing organization.
Zeta Phi Beta Sorority, Inc. is a non-hazing organization.
Sigma Gamma Rho Sorority, Inc is a non-hazing organization.

Uh Huh. These statements also apply to the Fraternities in the NPHC and just about every other Greek Letter Organization with any sort of entry process that isn't based directly on grades and classes taken. Whether there are any National Social GLOs that wouldn't make their statement about themselves is an exercise for the reader.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

I think for NPC, it was very rare for hazing to cause physical harm. There were definitely some lawsuits in the past. All NPC organizations prohibit hazing in all forms, but you really can't know what a few members may do on their own. The events that have come to light recently have been harmless in a physical sense but hazing, nonetheless, by the standards of our organizations. My chapter was completely non-hazing. I know there are probably some AOII chapters out there that get away with minor things...I just hope that they'll realize that they are putting their entire chapter at risk by doing these stupid activities.

Though some times the rules from the national limit things that don't make any *legal* definition of hazing...

For example: A chapter has an event where the big/little pairs are given digital cameras and a list of things to take pictures of that are either on campus or within 3 blocks. Each team also includes a Catholic Priest/Nun, a reporter from the School Newspaper and a faculty member. Even if *nothing* happens that the Priest/Nun, reporter or faculty member objects to, some Nationals might consider that hazing...

(A Priest, a school newspaper reporter and a faculty member walk into a bar...)

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by naraht

Comments?

What's the point of this? I wouldn't anticipate much coming out of this except . . .

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

What's the point of this? I wouldn't anticipate much coming out of this except . . .

Exactly - all of the organizations (NIC, non-NIC, NPC, NPHC, etc.) are non-hazing orgs, so let's just leave it at that. There's really not a whole lot of point in getting into this thread.

[KSUViolet06]

What on Earth would make you think that this was a good idea for a topic?

And for the record, all 26 NPC orgs are non-hazing organizations.

[rhoyaltempest]

I think some people are just fascinated by this topic and always will be no matter what the GLO's are doing to change things from the inside. Also for the record, Hazing has deep roots, not just in America but around the world and occurs in many different arenas. It didn't start with GLO's and it won't end with GLO's.

Also there should be no blury defnitions of hazing today according to the organizations. In most orgs (including mine), anything outside of an organization's official intake process is considered hazing according to that organization and is not encouraged or allowed. No other definitions are necessary.

[AOII Angel]

I agree with you, rhoyaltempest. I'm not naive enough to think that things don't continue to go on, but I do believe that it's gotten a lot better in most chapters. I do not, however, have a problem with talking about hazing. We can't just say "It's illegal in my organization." It's hard to really know what is going on at all of our chapters. Hopefully, we have enough educational material in place, enough oversight and enough intelligent members in our chapters to keep hazing to a minimum.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

I agree with you, rhoyaltempest. I'm not naive enough to think that things don't continue to go on, but I do believe that it's gotten a lot better in most chapters. I do not, however, have a problem with talking about hazing. We can't just say "It's illegal in my organization." It's hard to really know what is going on at all of our chapters. Hopefully, we have enough educational material in place, enough oversight and enough intelligent members in our chapters to keep hazing to a minimum.

But, if someone wants to know what's going on out there, there are enough threads in this forum about chapters that have been suspended or had their charters pulled because of hazing incidents. Between that, and a search through newspapers (both college and professional) across the country, people can get a good idea about the different types of hazing that are occurring.

I'm just not sure what purpose it serves to talk about perceived differences in the ways different chapters haze.

[KSUViolet06]

Especially since none of our chapters are supposed to be doing it.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

Especially since none of our chapters are supposed to be doing it.

And it's fairly easy to get into the "Well I heard X group makes their pledges drink," or "I heard Y group paddles their pledges."