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Old 08-22-2001, 01:21 PM
CutiePie2000 CutiePie2000 is offline
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Question To the Married People on this board: What do you think about THE RULES?

I would really like to hear specifically from the married people on this board.

I think it is well known that, at times, singles who are attempting to find that special someone, find that this quest can be one of pitfalls and disappointment.

Sometimes I feel as though getting into a relationship that will ultimately work and lead to a happy, lasting marriage is about as treacherous as driving a truck full of nitroglycerin through the mountains....
one tiny pebble in the road and kablooey! The whole thing explodes in disaster.....

You've probably all heard of that book "The Rules", by Ellen Fein and Sherrie Schneider (Sidebar: yes, I realize that Fein is presently getting divorced, but that is not what I am interested in discussing) and so I would like to hear from the married people on this board.

What do you think about the Rules?
To the women: did you do some of the Rules or all of the Rules with the man who is now your husband?

Here are the Rules, just for refresh!

The Rules (Top 10...there are more, but these are the main ones)
1. Be a Creature Unlike Any Other
2. Show up to parties, dances and social events even if you don't feel like it; you may meet someone.
3. It's a fantasy relationship unless a man asks you out.
4. In an office realtionship, do not email him back every time he emails you unless it is business related.
5. If you are in a long distance relationship, he must visit you at least 3 times before you visit him.
6. When considering whether to use personal ads or other dating services, you should place the ad and let men respond to you (rather than the woman initiating contact with men who have placed ads).
7. If he does not call, he is not that interested. Period.
8. Close the deal - Rules women do not date men for more than 2 years.
9. Buyer Beware - Observe his behavior so you do not end up with Mr. Wrong.
10. Keep doing the RULES even when things are slow.

and a few others that I found online...
"Don't Call Him and Rarely Return His Calls,"
“Don’t Sleep with a Man on the First Date”
"Don't Meet Him Halfway or Go Dutch on a Date,"
"Always End Phone Calls First,"
"Don't Talk to a Man First (and Don't Ask Him to Dance),"
"Let Him Take the Lead,"
"Don't Accept A Saturday Night Date After Wednesday."


Looking forward to hearing what the married folks have to say...thank you so much.


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Old 08-22-2001, 02:02 PM
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I'm getting married in one month and have lived with my 'future husband' for over 2 years--so even though 'technically' I don't qualify--I still want to answer.

I've never read the book. So I really can't base my opinions on that--but from reading the rules you posted, I think 'The Rules' are a load of bull-s h i t for the most part.

1.Be a Creature Unlike Any Other
BS!!! Be yourself! If being YOU isn't good enough, than you don't want him/her. If you're someone else up until you get married, you're going to have MUCH more serious problems than who squeezes the toothpaste wrong.

2. Show up to parties, dances and social events even if you don't feel like it
I feel this is VERY wrong. If you don't feel like going--than DON'T! If showing up to his company benifit is going to make or break your relationship--it DESERVES to die in the dust!

3. It's a fantasy relationship unless a man asks you out.
I don't know if this even deserves an answer.

4. In an office realtionship, do not email him back every time he emails you unless it is business related.
There's always the urge not to seem 'too eager', but e-mail and phone calls are very specific thing--most of the time requiring you to answer a question or two. I know I would feel hurt if I emailed a FRIEND and they didn't answer back--I'd be even MORE hurt if it was a boyfriend or my husband. You wouldn't just ignore someone if they were talking to your face--why would you do it in an e-mail?

5. If you are in a long distance relationship, he must visit you at least 3 times before you visit him.
This one is just assinine. When my 'future husband' and I started dating, it was long distance. I had my weekends free, and he worked shift work at all different times and days. Had we followed this rule, we'd have never gotten off the ground! It's rediculous! Today's relationships are 50/50 and SHOULD be 50/50--why must we keep up with this arcaic notion that the man must give the most or sacrifice the most? It's rediculous.

6. When considering whether to use personal ads or other dating services, you should place the ad and let me respond to you.
I have to agree with this one. How else would you do it. If you're placing a personal ad--you don't want to try to FIND people to reply to you!

7. If he does not call, he is not that interested. Period.
WRONG! His house burned to the ground, his mother died, his phone got disconnected, he was up against a deadline and didn't have time, he lost your number, he's shy, he didn't think you like him, his car broke down, his cell phone broke, his cat blew up . . .


8. Close the deal - Rules women do not date men for more than 2 years.
I feel sorry for any man caught up in this rule. This ultimatly tells you to give the man an ultimatum "we either get married, or you hit the road". How much you wanna bet they usually say "see ya!" and the one's who don't and crack under the pressure--how long do you think it is till they get divorced? Nobody can deal with that kind of pressure--and why would you want to try to force someone to marry you?

9. Buyer Beware - Observe his behavior so you do not end up with Mr. Wrong.
I agree with this one. You don't want to be oblivious to what a person is like, because if you DO get hitched--you don't want to find out they are a totally different person than you thought they were.

10. Keep doing the RULES even when things are slow.
READ: Continue to buy my stupid books, even if you aren't dating or marrying anyone.

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Old 08-22-2001, 02:33 PM
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ACK!
I'm answering -- I am not married currently, though I am divorced-- so---

The Rules are a bunch of BS.
I agree with much of the post above.
Relationships are 50/50
Often they don't call because they are intimidated, don't think we're interested, lost the #, etc.

I think the Rules puts too much game playing into the already difficult proposition of finding and sustaining a relationship.

Be yourself. Be confident. Know what you want from life, from yourself, from others.
Be honest. Have fun. Communicate. These are the rules you should follow to be happy and when YOU are HAPPY, you will attract more people.

I am a fan of going with the flow, responding to the emotion of the moment. If you feel like calling him--CALL--if he likes you, he'll be stoked--if he doesn't--you won't have changed his opinion at all and you'll know and can leave it behind.

Just be yourself and don't worry about it so much. Its a cliche, but its true--it happens when you're not even looking.

To me the Rules amounts to women 'tricking" men into a relationship. And in no way do we want that. We want to be with someone who values us for us in the way we value them for them, etc.



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Old 08-22-2001, 02:57 PM
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Well, I am glad to see these great responses so far!

I think that anyone or thing that tells women how to act is big trouble. "The Rules" imply that women are either stupid or need to rely on fake behavior to "get" a man, which is ridiculous. If you go through a relationship acting other than as your true self, you are not going to end up in a good situation.

I have never read The Rules (and never will) and so I certainly did not follow them -- I don't even think the book had been written when my guy & I got together, but even if it had, I wouldn't have cared. I actually pursued him when we first met -- and am glad I did it!!

As for the specifics:

1. Be a Creature Unlike Any Other

I don't know how they explain this in the book, but it sounds really stupid. Who is *not* a creature unlike any other??

2. Show up to parties, dances and social events even if you don't feel like it

Stupid. Why should you do stuff you don't want to do? Then what happens when you get married? You end up with a husband who thinks you want to go to parties, dances and social events all the time even though you'd rather do something else and you're both miserable.

3. It's a fantasy relationship unless a man asks you out.

Ask him out if you want!

4. In an office realtionship, do not email him back every time he emails you unless it is business related.

That's just rude.

5. If you are in a long distance relationship, he must visit you at least 3 times before you visit him.

This is stupid and arbitrary. Whoever wants to/has the means should visit!

6. When considering whether to use personal ads or other dating services, you should place the ad and let me respond to you.

I don't know about this as I don't have experience in this area.

7. If he does not call, he is not that interested. Period.

I don't know. There may be other reasons. If he does not call, ever, then sure he's not interested. Once, I'd say it's no big deal.

8. Close the deal - Rules women do not date men for more than 2 years.

Ugh. I think that a lot of people know after two years whether they want to get married. I think it may have taken us a little longer. Every relationship is different and moves at a different pace and so any strict cut-off point just doesn't work.

9. Buyer Beware - Observe his behavior so you do not end up with Mr. Wrong.

Duh.

10. Keep doing the RULES even when things are slow.

I think these authors are slow.

Okay, while I'm at it and since I don't feel like doing work, here are my rules:

1. Be yourself. If a man doesn't love you for who you are, you probably don't want to be with him.

2. Take the lead if you want -- don't be afraid to ask someone out or make the calls.

3. Take care of yourself first and cultivate your own interests. If you are not happy with who you are, you won't be "made happy" by anyone else.

4. Treat a man as you would like to be treated.

Okay, I think I only need four. I guess I could write a really short book.




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Old 08-23-2001, 12:16 AM
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I'm laughing so hard that I'm almost crying. These rules are ridiculous! My husband and I dated for almost 5 years before we got married, and we had a long distance relationship for 3 1/2 of those years. If I had actually bothered to follow these rules, I wouldn't be celebrating my 1st anniversary on Sunday. I'd also be alone and pining for 'the one that got away!'

IMHO, its a crying shame that trees had to be cut down to print that book.
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Old 08-25-2001, 09:57 AM
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I used to be married and have read this book, so I will take a stab at posting. A lot of what the book said was good common sense. A lot of it was junk. If a girl followed everything in the book, it is possible that she would end up with a guy who sincerely liked HER- but not necessarily one that she was in love with. I think "be yourself" and "keep an open mind" works for more than just Rush. I thought the book was more funny than helpful. I know the my SO thinks the whole thing is bunk written for desperate women who dying to get married and who are baby-crazy. It was a good read, but I wouldn't recommend following that particular set of Rules.
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Old 08-25-2001, 10:21 AM
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I've never read The Rules, but I have to agree - it sounds like a load of BS. I won't be wasting my money on this book. If I'd followed these rules, I wouldn't be married now!!
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