Tiers...

[Firehouse]

There has been a lot of discussion about tiers. I think that every fraternity/sorority system follows very predictable dynamics, and it becomes even more pronounced as the number of chapters increases.
In any system with, say, ten or more chapters, there are always only three tiers.

Tier I
This top tier comprises 20-25% of the fraternity chapters. In a system with 20 fraternities, five would be "top tier" chapters.
They are characterized by similarity in size, they rush the same men, they date in the same tier of sororities. They compete against each other in sports, on campus and in social prestige; they know all about each other, and they generally don't like each other.
They don't know and don't care much about the fraternities outside their small five-chapter circle. They all consider themselves to be elite, and their reputations and strength make it hard for them to screw up bad enough to drop out of their top tier status. They may cycle around so that one is on top one year and another is on top the next year, etc. but unless there is an upheaval there is little chance that they will fall out of their tier.

Tier III
The bottom tier contains about 10-15% of the fraternities. They are the most obvious bottom-feeders. No disrespect intended, but in the eyes of the system there is no question about who they are and why they are considered the weakest fraternities. They have not the vision, the ambition or the knowledge to rise up out of their hole. They could get better, but they don't know how and they talk themselves into believing that being small and powerless are virtues.

Tier II
This middle tier is the largest, and consists of a large, indistinct soup of fraternity chapters. In a system of 20 chapters, they are the ones ranking from #6 through #17 more or less. Within this large group, no one knows and no one really cares which one rises or falls above the others. Who knows or cares if the #14 fraternity suddenly surges and leaps up to #8?? There's no point in ranking chapters inside the II Tier. They float up and down, never breaking into Tier I, and never falling into the hellhole of Tier III.

Now, it's possible for any chapter to improve their standing and rise all the way to the top. But you have to know what you're doing, and hardly anyone does.

Shake-ups come when Tier I fraternities get kicked off for one misdeed or another and a spot among the elite opens up. The dynamic becomes unstable until someone rises out of Tier II and becomes a new fixture in Tier I.
I'm a Florida State alumnus and there was a huge upheaval here: since 2001, three of the top five fraternities have been kicked off campus. The dynamic became unstable and so the door was open for ambitious Tier II chapters to rise up and take their places. When that happened, the system's tiers solidified again.

The point is that all (or most) Greek systems share a very predictable dynamic. If I know the number of fraternities on a given campus, I can predict how many fraternities will be considered in the elite circle at the top, and how many will be looked down on as the wretches on the bottom.

[gtdxeric]

Originally Posted by Firehouse

If I know the number of fraternities on a given campus, I can predict how many fraternities will be considered in the elite circle at the top, and how many will be looked down on as the wretches on the bottom.

OK, I'll bite. 31 (not including NPHC or culturally-focused organizations), go!

[Firehouse]

Your signature suggests you're from Georgia Tech, one of the strongest fraternity systems in the south.
The answer is: six, with a seventh fraternity that thinks it's Tier I but it's not. The system's dynamic will be effected by the return of SAE. Someone will eventually be pushed out of the Top Tier to accomodate them.
In the bottom Tier III probably only three because of the strength of Tech.

How'd I do?

[ree-Xi]

Originally Posted by Firehouse

since 2001, three of the top five fraternities have been kicked off campus.

Sorry, but this sentence made me giggle.

[Firehouse]

Originally Posted by ree-Xi

Sorry, but this sentence made me giggle.

No irony here (three of the top five were kicked off) and no hidden message.
All three (SAE, ATO, SigEp) were booted for hazing, and in each case it was a mother who blew the whistle. One huge difference about this generation is that they share everything with their parents, including the details of their hazing. These were magnificent chapters, each in the 120-150 man range. Their loss disrupted the dynamic of the TopTier. Now, the system is stable again after other fraternities grew and took their place.

[banditone]

I couldn't imagine going running to my moms about something like that. Hilarious.

[PhiGam]

There are not five top tier fraternities at Florida State... Lambda Chi is the only one that would be considered top tier at an SEC school (other than UF).

[TexasWSP]

yeah im not sure aboutnthat one. We dont have 5 top tier fraternities and our greek system is excellemt/

[Zillini]

Any large group of people sort themselves into categories, cliques or tiers. High school, college, workplace, etc. It's not necessarily as bad a thing as some would like everyone to believe. It's not always about popularity, often it's about similar interests. Using the HS example, a science club kid simply may not have a whole lot in common with the jocks.

From the popularity/competitve standpoint, I don't necessarily agree with the OP's reasons why some chapters are where they are or that the middle and bottom ones don't know how and/or don't want to improve their standing. I've seen some chapters commit themselves totally to improving their social standing and be successful after years of hard work. Some times there are factors beyond anyone's control that keep the "top" groups on top and the others where they are, unless something major occurs. (Thinking now of a campus such as Bama.)

[gtdxeric]

Originally Posted by Firehouse

Your signature suggests you're from Georgia Tech, one of the strongest fraternity systems in the south.
The answer is: six, with a seventh fraternity that thinks it's Tier I but it's not. The system's dynamic will be effected by the return of SAE. Someone will eventually be pushed out of the Top Tier to accomodate them.
In the bottom Tier III probably only three because of the strength of Tech.

How'd I do?

Disclaimer: I'm about a year out of undergrad, and I think a female could probably answer this better than me... they see a lot more than any guy does, IMO.

You could make an argument for a top tier of 5-6 at Tech, but the composition changes a lot depending on how important Southernness is. You also start running into arguments like: ABC and DEF go after the same guys in the fall, and pretty much split them, therefore they must be on the same tier, right?

My point is, there's a fairly subtle transition from the top down at Tech, so the top tier is hard to demarcate. However, the bottom tier is much better defined, and consists of about 8-10 fraternities.

I know somebody's going to bring this up, so no, none of the fraternities at Tech would be considered "top tier" at an SEC school, but that's not what we're talking about here.

[CrackerBarrel]

Originally Posted by Firehouse

Your signature suggests you're from Georgia Tech, one of the strongest fraternity systems in the south.

Ummmm, no. Just no. Like stop trying no. The only "strong fraternity systems" in the ACC are UVA, UNC, Clemson and kind of maybe parts of FSU's. The south has the SEC which has the strongest fraternity systems in the country, much less the region.

What awful Greek system have you been looking at recently that makes GT 's seem "strong"?

And that being said, there are almost never as many as 5 top tier houses. Top-tier means elite, and to go with your example of a 20 house system, a quarter of it isn't elite. The bottom tier is also a lot bigger than you think it is. There are some houses that will be bottom-tier almost anywhere and more that are campus specific, but the bottom tier will most of the time be at least twice the size of the top tier. And divide the middle tier into upper-middle and lower-middle at least.

At most schools outside the south, no house on campus would even sniff the top-tier at a southern school. Possibly not the middle tier either.

[Firehouse]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

There are not five top tier fraternities at Florida State... Lambda Chi is the only one that would be considered top tier at an SEC school (other than UF).

With respect, of course the fraternities at FSU conform to the III Tier system just as they do everywhere else. There are 20 IFC fraternities here, and there are currently five in the Top Tier as predicted, although - and this is important - the recent losses of ATO and Sig Ep and even Pi Kappa Phi along with the earlier loss of SAE has caused an instability in the natural order. The top of the list is still unsettled, and with a little effort this is an opportunity for the second tier groups to advance.
And regarding Lambda Chi, it's a mistake to assume that a Tier I chapter at one school would be Tier I at another school. Different cultures, different standards. You have to consider each campus separately. The Tier I fraternities at Penn State couldn't compete one-on-one with the Tier I chapters at Texas due to size, but it's wrong to assume that they're all not superior fraternity chapters. I'm not overly impressed with LXA at FSU but what I think doesn't matter becasue there's no doubt that they're Tier I here.

Remember, the tiers are determined by the perception of rivals, sororities and other peers. The Wilson Heller Survey standard was: "prominence, power and prestige". That might be measured differently on different campuses, but it's a universal standard to determine perception.

What's Tier I on one campus doesn't necessarily transfer from one school to another, but the dynamic remains predictable and constant. When you get below, say, 8 fraternities, a different dynamic comes into play but no less predictable. For instance, in a system with only five fraternities, the breakdown is 2-2-1. Two rivals on top, two in the middle and one on the bottom.

[Elephant Walk]

All that true.

The only way you can compare chapter to chapter in my opinion, are things that have nothing to do with perception on campus. Doing it in numbers. Size, quality of members, size of the house, etc.

[Firehouse]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

All that true.

The only way you can compare chapter to chapter in my opinion, are things that have nothing to do with perception on campus. Doing it in numbers. Size, quality of members, size of the house, etc.

I think we're saying the same thing; could be wrong. Once the numnbers, house, quality, etc are established, then perception follows. Perception lags behind a few years, so some are actulaly better than their public image and vice-versa. However, the fraternities with the most enduring perceived strengths are the one assumed to be on top.

If, on the other hand, you're saying that you can't fairly compare a top chapter on one campus to a top chapter on another, you are absolutely correct.

[CrackerBarrel]

Who cares? You're all bottom-tier for sure, brah.