Everyone gets a bid?

[livingmydreams]

Before I knew about greek chat, I called the Greek Office on Campus and asked questions. She said that eveyone that goes threw recruitment gets a bid, is that true?

[Roraem]

Originally Posted by livingmydreams

Before I knew about greek chat, I called the Greek Office on Campus and asked questions. She said that eveyone that goes threw recruitment gets a bid, is that true?

I can't speak for your school, but I would have to say no, this is not true. The majority of girls who go through recruitment do get bids, but they might not take them. The problem I have with this statement is that there are things called Quotas (which are complicated and scary) which in essence mean that not all girls going through can receive bids unless there aren't very many girls.

Do you have any more information about your schools Recruitment Style?

[KSUViolet06]

This is untrue.

Every single girl who goes through recruitment doesn't get a bid. Recruitment is not a guaranteed process.

Generally, the number who DO get bids greatly exceeds the number of those who do not. Granted, every girl is not going to get their first choice, but the majority of girls who participate will receive a bid (but not all).

Originally Posted by livingmydreams

Before I knew about greek chat, I called the Greek Office on Campus and asked questions. She said that eveyone that goes threw recruitment gets a bid, is that true?

Ditto to what was said above. Everyone DOES NOT get a bid. There are no guarantees. People from Greek Life offices who say that really piss me off.

In this forum you'll see information about Quotas and Release Figures but like Roraem said, it's complicated and scary, and PNMs shouldn't have to be worried about technical stuff like that.

I would say that since you called your schools office of greek life, and that is the advice that most people give around here for people with questions specific to their school I would say that it's true for you school. Had you come in here and ask if you were guaranteed a bid at least a few people would respond with "call your school's office of greek life and ask them." Not to say that everyone who works for a university knows exactly what they're talking about, but there is a pretty good chance the girls you talked to was telling the truth.

Originally Posted by jessicaelaine

I would say that since you called your schools office of greek life, and that is the advice that most people give around here for people with questions specific to their school I would say that it's true for you school. Had you come in here and ask if you were guaranteed a bid at least a few people would respond with "call your school's office of greek life and ask them." Not to say that everyone who works for a university knows exactly what they're talking about, but there is a pretty good chance the girls you talked to was telling the truth.

Not saying this is the case here, but we've seen on more than one occasion Greek Life offices across the country employing people who have absolutely no clue as to what's going on.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by jessicaelaine

I would say that since you called your schools office of greek life, and that is the advice that most people give around here for people with questions specific to their school I would say that it's true for you school. Had you come in here and ask if you were guaranteed a bid at least a few people would respond with "call your school's office of greek life and ask them." Not to say that everyone who works for a university knows exactly what they're talking about, but there is a pretty good chance the girls you talked to was telling the truth.

There are a HANDFUL of schools who have enacted policies where EVERY PNM IS REQUIRED to get a bid in the end to one of the sororities (I can think of Tufts and Creighton who do). Other than those, no there are no guarantees.

Anyone who tells a PNM that they're GUARANTEED to get a bid is probably very misinformed about the process, because recruitment is a mutual selection process and nothing about that is guaranteed.

Originally Posted by OTW

Not saying this is the case here, but we've seen on more than one occasion Greek Life offices across the country employing people who have absolutely no clue as to what's going on.

Well, my school doesn't even have an office of greek life. We're like anarchists. But you have to admit that a lot of people tell girls asking questions to call theirs and ask. I wouldn't say either way if what she was told was true. I have no way of knowing.

[Roraem]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

Anyone who tells a PNM that is probably very misinformed about the process, because recruitment is a mutual selection process and nothing about that is guaranteed.

I completely agree. What would be the point in recruitment if the sororities had no say in who joined? I have just never heard of entire schools where all GLO's were required to hand out bids to everyone who came through... though I have heard of specific chapters doing that. Again, I agree that the odds of there being a clueless Greek Life Office worker is far more likely than a school where everyone gets bids. That's why i'm glad the majority of our Greek staff are actually Greek!

[AlphaXi_Husky]

Originally Posted by Roraem

that there are things called Quotas (which are complicated and scary) which in essence mean that not all girls going through can receive bids unless there aren't very many girls.

I find this to be a pretty inaccurate statement. The only thing that doesn't make it completely inaccurate is that yes, quota and other "behind the scenes" numbers can get quite complicated. But scary? I would disagree - and the reason I say that is I would hate for PNMs to go into the process thinking there's some big scary thing going on behind the scenes (any more than they already do).

Also, setting quota does not = not all the PNMs going through won't get bids. Quota is determined by the number of PNMs in Recruitment, so it doesn't make sense to me that it would be set on purpose so that PNMs wouldn't get bids. It doesn't mean that there won't be PNMs who don't get bids, but from my experience it's not specifically set that way - hence Quota Additions.

[Roraem]

Originally Posted by AlphaXi_Husky

I find this to be a pretty inaccurate statement. The only thing that doesn't make it completely inaccurate is that yes, quota and other "behind the scenes" numbers can get quite complicated. But scary? I would disagree - and the reason I say that is I would hate for PNMs to go into the process thinking there's some big scary thing going on behind the scenes (any more than they already do).

Also, setting quota does not = not all the PNMs going through won't get bids. Quota is determined by the number of PNMs in Recruitment, so it doesn't make sense to me that it would be set on purpose so that PNMs wouldn't get bids. It doesn't mean that there won't be PNMs who don't get bids, but from my experience it's not specifically set that way - hence Quota Additions.

You might find my wording "inaccurate" but PNMs have enough to worry about without all the numbers coming into play. The girl wasn't asking about the inner-workings of Panhel and quota and total and bid matching, she was simply asking if all girls going through would get bids. The answer is most likely no, and yes, quota does matter in that. You're right that quota is dependent on the number of girls rushing, but what hasn't been mentioned is the fact that there are suicides and girls who drop, ultimately throwing off quota.

I just didn't find it necessary to explain why the answer was no and frankly I don't appreciate your judgement on my explanation.

Originally Posted by AlphaXi_Husky

I find this to be a pretty inaccurate statement. The only thing that doesn't make it completely inaccurate is that yes, quota and other "behind the scenes" numbers can get quite complicated. But scary? I would disagree - and the reason I say that is I would hate for PNMs to go into the process thinking there's some big scary thing going on behind the scenes (any more than they already do).

Also, setting quota does not = not all the PNMs going through won't get bids. Quota is determined by the number of PNMs in Recruitment, so it doesn't make sense to me that it would be set on purpose so that PNMs wouldn't get bids. It doesn't mean that there won't be PNMs who don't get bids, but from my experience it's not specifically set that way - hence Quota Additions.

I don't understand quotas at all. My school doesn't have them. They are very scary to me.

[Roraem]

Originally Posted by jessicaelaine

I don't understand quotas at all. My school doesn't have them. They are very scary to me.

Thank you. I'm a freaking Rho Gamma (Recruitment Counselor) and I find the cogs and wheels of quota and total scary lol

[AlphaXi_Husky]

Originally Posted by Roraem

You might find my wording "inaccurate" but PNMs have enough to worry about without all the numbers coming into play. The girl wasn't asking about the inner-workings of Panhel and quota and total and bid matching, she was simply asking if all girls going through would get bids. The answer is most likely no, and yes, quota does matter in that. You're right that quota is dependent on the number of girls rushing, but what hasn't been mentioned is the fact that there are suicides and girls who drop, ultimately throwing off quota.

I just didn't find it necessary to explain why the answer was no and frankly I don't appreciate your judgement on my explanation.

You're going to risk people passing judgement when you post - not trying to be mean, but it's part of posting on a public board. As for your original statement, it just seemed to me to emphasize how scary an aspect of Recruitment is (quota) and I don't think it helps to focus on or point out Recruitment as scary. And regarding quota, yes there are PNMs who single intentional pref. or drop, but I believe with the new release figures methodology quota shouldn't be set until after preference, which in that case it would take into account at least the PNMs who drop. If someone is more familiar with that than I am, please correct me.

[SoCalGirl]

Originally Posted by Roraem

You might find my wording "inaccurate" but PNMs have enough to worry about without all the numbers coming into play. The girl wasn't asking about the inner-workings of Panhel and quota and total and bid matching, she was simply asking if all girls going through would get bids. The answer is most likely no, and yes, quota does matter in that. You're right that quota is dependent on the number of girls rushing, but what hasn't been mentioned is the fact that there are suicides and girls who drop, ultimately throwing off quota.

I just didn't find it necessary to explain why the answer was no and frankly I don't appreciate your judgement on my explanation.

You're correct that the OP did not ask for the inner workings of Panhel. So why bring up quota to only say that it's complicated and scary? There are many threads that go into quota with great detail if anyone wants to learn more about it. To be fair, once someone takes the time to learn about quota it's not scary at all.

You may find that while most GC members tend to agree that Rho Gammas should be educated about the way quota and all the behind the scenes stuff works; we find they usually have no clue and thus give PNMs misinformation. I'd recomend that if you address any of those aspects with any PNM that you confirm with Panhel that your 100% accurate in your info.