YiLFS private?

naraht · #1 03-04-2008, 03:20 PM

A couple of days ago I was doing a Wikipedia search for Alpha Phi Omega and ran across http://www.wpiwiki.net/index.php?title=Alpha_Phi_Omega

One of the things in there is
'APO brothers are fond of using "YiLFS" at the end of their emails and letters. Its exact meaning is only revealed after successful initiation into the brotherhood.'

Is there anyone out there that agrees with this?

YiLFS
Randolph Finder

33girl · #2 03-04-2008, 03:29 PM

I do not, but then again we never sent lots of letters or emails (har har, we had no email) in my chapter, so it wasn't like we were "signing off" on lots of things, so we never really discussed this.

This is one of those that it's pretty easy to figure out if you think about it...kind of like some groups that use "YITBOS" or the like.

Senusret I · #3 03-04-2008, 03:38 PM

I don't agree with that, but hey, if that's the tradition of that chapter, whatever.

33girl · #4 03-04-2008, 03:42 PM

I didn't realize this was for an individual chapter until I looked again. Yeah, I never heard of the "APO Elf" either.

Explicit · #5 03-05-2008, 03:08 AM

The APO Elf sounds kind of like our position of Sunshine in our chapter. Except its a position and people know about it.

GMUAPhiOAdvisor · #6 03-05-2008, 09:30 AM

I've always used YiLFS when signing off emails or, back in my day, letters, to other brothers.

IMHO, considering that what LFS stands for is public knowledge, I don't think it is considered "private". Now, if someone were to to sign off using our GREEK motto, I would be concerned, as that is only revealed after a neophyte enters the initiation ceremony.

Also being a social Greek, we use "In the Flame" to sign off, but with sisters, we might use the first three letters of our secret, Greek, motto.....but few would be able to figure it out, unless they'd been through our initiation ritual.

Seems like the same thing, no???

BTW.....what's an APO Elf? Or a Sunshine position??

GMUAPhiOAdvisor · #7 03-05-2008, 09:32 AM

PS.....I went to this Wikipedia site and it seems that it was only related to one chapter. Each chapter has its own traditions and quirks....maybe not explaining YiLFS is one of them?

naraht · #8 03-05-2008, 09:59 AM

I had a similar situation in terms of greek with a fellow student at my Karate school. His license plates on the two family cars are AEKDB13 and 13AEKDB. He was founder #13 at the Kappa Sigma chapter at Towson State University (Maryland). AEKDB apparently are the initial letters of the secret motto of Kappa Sigma. The fact that those letters represent Kamma Sigma isn't secret though, the greek equivalents (Alpha Epsilon Kappa Delta Beta) are on the scroll at the bottom of their coat of arms.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kappa_Sigma)

emb021 · #9 03-06-2008, 12:18 PM

As our Cardinal Principles, Leadership, Friendship, Service is NOT secret (heck we use it on much of our promo materials), to claim that LFS or YiLFS is somehow 'secret' is silly.

Frankly, you can count on 1 hand the number of things in APO that are really secret:

* our real name
* our handclasp
* meaning behind badge
* meaning behind coat of arms
* our rituals

naraht · #10 03-06-2008, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by emb021

As our Cardinal Principles, Leadership, Friendship, Service is NOT secret (heck we use it on much of our promo materials), to claim that LFS or YiLFS is somehow 'secret' is silly.

Frankly, you can count on 1 hand the number of things in APO that are really secret:

* our real name
* our handclasp
* meaning behind badge
* meaning behind coat of arms
* our rituals

Do you count the sign of the Fraternity?

Explicit · #11 03-06-2008, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by naraht

Do you count the sign of the Fraternity?

I wouldn't count the sign itself, but I would count the meaning behind it.

naraht · #12 03-06-2008, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Explicit

I wouldn't count the sign itself, but I would count the meaning behind it.

Sounds right.

emb021 · #13 03-06-2008, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by naraht

Do you count the sign of the Fraternity?

Considering that so many people show the sign in pictures (tho as a former Scout, they are doing it wrong...), I would say no, but as another pointed out, the meaning of it is secret.

Explicit · #14 03-06-2008, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by emb021

Considering that so many people show the sign in pictures (tho as a former Scout, they are doing it wrong...), I would say no, but as another pointed out, the meaning of it is secret.

What part about it are they doing wrong? I've noticed that some do the sign with their palm facing towards themselves.

emb021 · #15 03-06-2008, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Explicit

What part about it are they doing wrong? I've noticed that some do the sign with their palm facing towards themselves.

Scouts are taught to give the Scout Sign this way:

Right arm straight out, elbow bent at a 90% angle with the hand upright, scout sign given with the palm facing.

Stuff that isn't right is things like splaying the fingers, dropping the arm and the like. All the other stuff I see with some Brothers making the sign in various (to me as a scout) strange ways just makes me roll my eyes.

The arm should be held this way:

Hand
Hand
Hand
arm
arm
arm
arm
elbow arm arm arm arm Body