Hazing

[travelman357]

If a person on line refuses to be hazed by an individual(s) that unlawfully haze, what happens to that person? Are they kicked off line? Do the individuals in the organization respect that person's standards or do traditions dictate whether the person crosses?

[Senusret I]

It depends on a lot of things.

This is a situation best handled with your best judgment if it happens.

In the meantime, you have a LOT of other things to worry about on your pursuit. Have you attended any events or service yet? Met members? Downloaded an application?

[travelman357]

I have done two out of the three. These steps are easy. The possibility of suffering lasting bodily injury because of some psycho who thinks that is the measure of manhood is my only issue of concern.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by travelman357

I have done two out of the three. These steps are easy. The possibility of suffering lasting bodily injury because of some psycho who thinks that is the measure of manhood is my only issue of concern.

I'm sure you know that there is nothing that any of us can say about what will or won't happen exactly since we are not where you are. You and the chapter are the only ones that have a say in this matter. I'm sure you also know that the NPHC does not condone hazing or pledging (which is seen as one in the same currently) so the one who's being pledged is just as wrong as the members who are involved in the pledge process. The only thing you can do is to express your concerns once you have made some of these men your friends and face the challenges as they come. If there is really something happening or about to happen that you don't agree with, ask to speak with the members about it. They might just respect your standards and if they don't, you'll have to make a decision but you always have a choice to stay or leave. That's the power that everyone has but sometimes people want to act like they don't have any. If something is really against what you believe in, then don't go through with it and the choice should be simple. Also remember that there is always grad chapter and one chapter doesn't necessarily embody the ideas and philosophy of an entire organization. Good Luck!

[adpiucf]

Hazing is illegal and your organization's founders and its current leadership do not want its members to break the law.

If an issue of hazing comes up, leave the situation and notify your collegiate adviser.


Hazing is a felony in many states. It is against the honor code at pretty much every university in America. Many honor codes will expel you from school for hazing.

Victims of hazing who did nothing to prevent the acts from occurring are also held responsible for not reporting it/going along with it.

Do not allow yourself to be hazed. There are better and more constructive ways to build a brotherhood than to belittle or batter its members.

[GatorDG]

Well said, adpiucf. It is hazing that really brings GLO's down - particularly the fraternities. My sons are both out of college, but when my older had just pledged, a boy in another fraternity was found dead in the fraternity house after a hazing party. He had consumed massive amounts of whiskey. It was so very sad for all concerned. Needless to say, the house is no longer at that campus.

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by travelman357

If a person on line refuses to be hazed by an individual(s) that unlawfully haze, what happens to that person? Are they kicked off line? Do the individuals in the organization respect that person's standards or do traditions dictate whether the person crosses?

I'm not sure how they're doing the hazing thing now. I pledged back when it was still pretty much o.k. My line did some above ground pledging. We actually had this same situation happen two years after I joined. This guy dropped after being hazed and he told the administration. He was allowed to attend the initiation ceremony, but he got harrassed daily by not only my fraternity but by other greek organizations as well. I actually tried to accept him as a brother, but that didn't help. He tried wearing letters but he was threatened and no other greeks wanted to be seen with him. Sad but true. I felt bad for him. He eventually transferred to another school, but he had the same problem at that school too. The word got out all over about this guy. I never knew what happened to him, but I'm not sure how greeks are now a days. If it's the same, all I can tell you is do what you feel comfortable with, but be careful, because yes, it is a felony now, and prison time is what happens if caught.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by travelman357

If a person on line refuses to be hazed by an individual(s) that unlawfully haze, what happens to that person? Are they kicked off line? Do the individuals in the organization respect that person's standards or do traditions dictate whether the person crosses?

Good question BUT:
You may have posted in wrong thread. There is a whole RM section which you may care to review.
There is no "answer" that "we" can provide to you.

[crazyrob]

I was never hazed but my line had all agreed if one person was feeling uncomfortable or hazed we would all step out and say that. Strength in numbers plus it shows unity

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by crazyrob

I was never hazed but my line had all agreed if one person was feeling uncomfortable or hazed we would all step out and say that. Strength in numbers plus it shows unity

Sooooooo many people thinking it is ALL about THEM before they join. Thanks Crazyrob for that. That is the whole point behind above ground pledging...

Why are folks so competitive these days?

[BlueNYC2]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

I'm not sure how they're doing the hazing thing now. I pledged back when it was still pretty much o.k. My line did some above ground pledging. We actually had this same situation happen two years after I joined. This guy dropped after being hazed and he told the administration. He was allowed to attend the initiation ceremony, but he got harrassed daily by not only my fraternity but by other greek organizations as well. I actually tried to accept him as a brother, but that didn't help. He tried wearing letters but he was threatened and no other greeks wanted to be seen with him. Sad but true. I felt bad for him. He eventually transferred to another school, but he had the same problem at that school too. The word got out all over about this guy. I never knew what happened to him, but I'm not sure how greeks are now a days. If it's the same, all I can tell you is do what you feel comfortable with, but be careful, because yes, it is a felony now, and prison time is what happens if caught.

wait...let me get this straight...dude was on line, dropped, snitched(b!tched), then became a member? yo, its one thing if you're a skater or paper...but at least you aint snitch/b!tch to get into the org. I dont care how one got in, whether its pledge/skate/paper, but to snitch and force your way in is not wats up in my book. THATS when i have no respect for you....

[Kevin]

How else would we be able to stamp out the sort of behavior which could potentially threaten our organizations' existences? It takes a lot of courage to be a "snitch." Far more than it does to simply go along with whatever [illegal] program one's organization has put together. In most states, hazing is a crime. At a minimum, by "snitching," one is saving future generations from having to risk potential jail time/fines and blemished records.

I typically am not one to judge what other organizations are doing. NPHC least of all. But with all due respect, your attitude and the attitudes described by the individuals in the community described by PrettyBoy are pretty disturbing.

NPC organizations have by and large been successful eliminating hazing. NIC organizations have had success, but to a somewhat lesser extent. Are NPHC organizations having a more difficult time? Why?

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by BlueNYC2

wait...let me get this straight...dude was on line, dropped, snitched(b!tched), then became a member? yo, its one thing if you're a skater or paper...but at least you aint snitch/b!tch to get into the org. I dont care how one got in, whether its pledge/skate/paper, but to snitch and force your way in is not wats up in my book. THATS when i have no respect for you....

Pretty much. He pledged the traditional way up to when the national ceremony took place. After the ceremony we weren't done pledging that line, they still had 8 weeks to go (underground). This guy was done after nationals came down to do the ceremony. He didn't even get the right meanings to the secrets of the fraternity, because we never told them until we decided to cross them. Nationals is nationals, we weren't on that program. We crossed 4 guys, it would have been 5 but he chose not to continue with the pledge process. The funny thing about it is nationals left it up to the undergrad brothers (us) to tell that line what everything on the shield and what Phi Nu Pi meant. Well, we told them, but it wasn't what it meant. We gave them all the wrong info because they still had to pledge 8 more weeks before they were accepted into the fraternity the right way. So I'm assuming he still doesn't know what Phi Nu Pi means, nor any secrets. Any Nupe he talks with might challenge him, and he will know nothing.

[Animate]

Originally Posted by Kevin

How else would we be able to stamp out the sort of behavior which could potentially threaten our organizations' existences? It takes a lot of courage to be a "snitch." Far more than it does to simply go along with whatever [illegal] program one's organization has put together. In most states, hazing is a crime. At a minimum, by "snitching," one is saving future generations from having to risk potential jail time/fines and blemished records.

I typically am not one to judge what other organizations are doing. NPHC least of all. But with all due respect, your attitude and the attitudes described by the individuals in the community described by PrettyBoy are pretty disturbing.

NPC organizations have by and large been successful eliminating hazing. NIC organizations have had success, but to a somewhat lesser extent. Are NPHC organizations having a more difficult time? Why?

I'm going to have to disagree with you. I have come across more situations with hazing concerning IFC fraternities than NPHC fraterniteis. I'm not saying either does it more or less than another, just speaking on what I've encountered.

Also, when looking at the things PrettyBoy was speaking of you have to take into consideration WHEN these people became a member of their respective organizations. Yes some of that is passed down but I think that it plays a factor on how people will respond to thing.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

Pretty much. He pledged the traditional way up to when the national ceremony took place. After the ceremony we weren't done pledging that line, they still had 8 weeks to go (underground). This guy was done after nationals came down to do the ceremony. He didn't even get the right meanings to the secrets of the fraternity, because we never told them until we decided to cross them. Nationals is nationals, we weren't on that program. We crossed 4 guys, it would have been 5 but he chose not to continue with the pledge process. The funny thing about it is nationals left it up to the undergrad brothers (us) to tell that line what everything on the shield and what Phi Nu Pi meant. Well, we told them, but it wasn't what it meant. We gave them all the wrong info because they still had to pledge 8 more weeks before they were accepted into the fraternity the right way. So I'm assuming he still doesn't know what Phi Nu Pi means, nor any secrets. Any Nupe he talks with might challenge him, and he will know nothing.

That's really despicable.