Rape At a Fraternity House Movie

[James]

Have you seen this one yet? Anyone local here more details? What do you think?
http://nypost.com/news/nationalnews/20943.htm

[33girl]

OK, you're a stripper, you do your job you were hired for with your partner, then you go back to a house full of horny guys alone? Stupid. Anyone who works in the "adult" industry should know better than to get themselves into that kind of situation.

Plus, if she's married and performing "sex acts" on people - stripping with no touching is one thing, but anything more than that??
This sounds to me like she is just trying to cover up to save her marriage.

[Lil_G]

What is with this trash newspaper and all their negative articles on fraternities and sororities? Do they distribute this amount of coverage to the charitable events done by greeks?

[moe.ron]

Just read the article, she said it should be mandatory for those who want to join GLO? Yeah, we should also make it mandatory for kids to watch Debbie Does Dallas. Geez, people got not morals and are very self serving.

[Allie_XO]

ROTFL!

This woman, who has a criminal record for prostitution, expects people to feel sorry for her in this situation? Some people go too far. And I'm trying to picture the Sunday before rush begins, and having potentials and their parents watching this NC-17 video. Right - GLO's would die right then and there. But I guess that would suit some people!

Allie

[ZetaAce]

I am HORRIFIED by some of your responses. No woman deserves to be raped no matter what she does for a living!! I don't know if this woman was really raped or not, but show some compassion.

ZetaAce

[Allie_XO]

I agree that no person should ever have to go through rape. Believe me, it's a horrible thing to go through. But looking at the meager evidence in that newspaper article, well... It has nothing to do with what she does for a living but a lot to do with her behaviour. And if my rape was video taped and someone made a movie with it, I wouldn't attend the premier, I'd file a law suit. I seriously question her motives!

[ZetaAce]

Allie_XO you said:
I agree that no person should ever have to go through rape. Believe me, it's a horrible thing to go through. But looking at the meager evidence in that newspaper article, well... It has nothing to do with what she does for a living but a lot to do with her behaviour.

But earlier in this same thread you said:

This woman, who has a criminal record for prostitution, expects people to feel sorry for her in this situation?

Those 2 statements contradict each other. I'm not trying to pick on you, per se, but I'm amazed by the lack of compassion by some of the posts. That same attitude is why some rapists get off..."Well, look what she does for a living" or "Look what she was wearing". It's shameful! She's not the one who released the tape to the public and she has no legal recourse even though the footage was used. Maybe she attended the premiers because she was pleased that finally, someone looked at her side of the story instead of thinking "Well, she was charged with prostitution so she must be lying" (like the police did) or "I question her motives" because she allowed her story to be shown.

ZetaAce

[KSIGTAZ]

I have to agree with Zeta, I have not seen the movie. So I don't know what happened. I do know that no one no matter their occupation or what a female is wearing does she deserve to be raped. I also feel for the fraternity members, if she is not telling the truth, those guys are being screwed. They faces are being placed with an alleged rape and that his a hard cross to bare. The makers of this movie make me sick. However her idea that anyone planning on joining a fraternity/sorority should watch this movie. Maybe anyone planning on going to a bar should be made to watch "The Accused". Ludicrous. Again I have sympathy for all involved but people need to quit characterizing greek this way.

[Allie_XO]

Ok, hypothetical situation. A guy is busted with a pound of cocaine, goes to jail, and eventually is let out. Then, later is with a group of people who are busted for drugs, but he claims that he didn't know anything about it. How likely, given his past, are the cops to believe him. Another hypothetical situation. A woman gets busted for prostitution, get fined or whatever, and gets out. She then works as a stripper and claims to be raped. The alleged rape was video taped, but after viewing the tape the prosecutors office DID NOT prosecute.

The point here is that whether we like it or not, our past actions reflect on us! If I have a history of swindling people, a bank is not going to hire me, and with good reason. She is a former prostitute, and while that does not make her a bad person, or a lier, it does make me skeptical whenever she alleges a sex crime. She used to be a willing participant in crimes relating to sex! It has nothing to do with her being a stripper. If you can make money like that - go for it. I sure couldn't.

And one more thing... Prosecutors LOVE rape cases where there is an incriminating video. They would love to crucify any perpetrators they could. If, after viewing the video they decided NOT to prosecute, then the video must not have been to terribly incriminating. The article even called the video "highly ambigious."

As for rape itself, I understand what rape really is. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. I cannot imagine watching a video of myself being raped.

I still question her motives. I don't understand why everyone else doesn't.

I can't believe how this movie was made without lawsuits all over the place. Just because the tape was used as evidence for a crime- it is o.k. to sell it off for $20.00 a pop? Why didn't the Delta Chi headquarters try to stop it? Yahraus' parents? King? Nobody cared and just let this movie be made and distributed? That is what sounds fishy to me.

[SilverTurtle]

Just some FYI's:

Florida has a "Sunshine Law" which made it legal for that tape to be released. (Not to say that it was right for it to be released, but it was legal).

I just read an article that stated that Artisan bought the film and is supposed to release it uncut and unrated.

Something to consider:
If it would have happened at just a random club/bar/house (i.e... NOT a fraernity house) would it change your opiniion of the film?

I think the filmmakers were presenting a very difficult situation to judge to that we could arrive at our own conclusions.

I agree with what Zeta Ace said regarding rape- no one deserves it regardless of their past or present situations. I don't anything about the situation or the film except a few articles I have read recently. I haven't seen the film, and doubt that I will.



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[33girl]

Of course no woman should have to go through rape, regardless of her profession, actions etc. However, the credibility of the accusor has to be looked at. I would be more than sympathetic to this woman if I believed she was raped, but given some of the things in the article, I don't think she was.

Plus, I have a real problem with the fact that she performed a sex act (I think we can probably all guess what) on one of the men. It is one thing to strip, and given she has 2 kids, she can probably make a heck of a lot more $$$ stripping than she could at McDonald's. But you strip, get your $$ and leave. You don't cross the line of doing "sex acts" on the spectators. As far as I'm concerned if she did that, she just slid right back into being a prostitute.

Quote-

"At times, King seems to be a somewhat willing participant in various sex acts with Yahraus. At other points, it appears she's having second thoughts about how far or how long she wants to go."

It does not matter to me where the act took place- I just hate to see a movie where young impressionable men will see this and who knows what idea about sex they will conceive from it. This is not a documentary about the horrors of rape. It is a movie about a woman who sometimes will be seen enjoying the sex and sometimes not. She feels she was raped and I am not going to disagree with her. But I just know in my heart this movie will be promoted in a sleazy way and not as a "documentary/learning" film.

[ZetaAce]

Originally posted by 33girl:
Plus, I have a real problem with the fact that she performed a sex act (I think we can probably all guess what) on one of the men.

So what? No is NO! Once she says no, no matter what she did before, it's rape. Just because she gave the guy oral stimulation or whatever, that doesn't mean he has the right to have sex with her.

ZetaAce