Cutting

[RedRover]

I have enjoyed reading the various recruitment stories, but I have one question.

I have read about fraternities and sororities eliminating or "cutting" rushees through the various rounds. I am curious if any forum members know of a case where rushee was cut from all the fraternities or sororities during the first round of rush.

I ask the question because, from what I have read in the various postings, a rushee might only have less than 30 minutes to make positive impression on the members of a particular house. I have wonder if some 18 or 19 year olds have enough social skills to make a positive impression on a group of strangers, givien the various limitations of time, logistics, etc.

Just wonderin'

[KSUViolet06]

Where I went to school, we couldn't cut girls after first round unless they were below our GPA requirement. We didn't make any cuts until after 2nd round. So every girl went to every sorority for the first 2 days unless she was cut for grades. They had 2 days worth of parties before they got invites.

I went to a school with a smaller greek system with 7 sororities and only like 120-150 girls rushing every year. I'd say that most girls get invited back to at least one sorority for 3rd round. Every year, there were a few (I'm talking like 2 out of 120) who got cut by EVERYBODY after 2nd round. It was definitely not the norm.

[robrun]

Originally Posted by RedRover

I have read about fraternities and sororities eliminating or "cutting" rushees through the various rounds. I am curious if any forum members know of a case where rushee was cut from all the fraternities or sororities during the first round of rush.

This happened once when I was a rho gamma for formal fraternity rush. Of 300 guys rushing, 1 was cut by every house after first round. The rushee was in my group. This was rushee was for lack of a better term awkward and psycho. At one house which was known for housing a meth lab in the 70's, this guy asked brothers where the meth lab was. Also, during rounds, whenever he got a call on his cell phone (with the ringer on) he would stop whatever conversation he was having to take a phone call. At my house first round (and presumably others), all he talked about was how much he liked doing drugs. He skipped one house during first round because he already hated it that much; he left another house during the middle of a speech because he "needed to call his sick grandmother". At two houses he used the name-dropping technique of saying he knew so-and-so at this house, since that carried weight in his mind. At a few houses he flat out told the rusher that they should cut him because he was going to be in XYZ. XYZ happened to cut this guy because my co-rho gamma who also witnessed all this happened to be a member of XYZ.

It goes without saying that this guy eventually failed out of college.

[violetpretty]

This will depend on the competitiveness of the campus and if they use release figures. A PNM with a low GPA may be released by all chapters after round 1, particularly on competitive campuses. Not having recs at an SEC school will also probably get a PNM released by all chapters after round 1.

While it is possible that a prepared, polished, involved PNM with recs and a good GPA may slip through the cracks an be released by all chapters during recruitment, she usually won't be released by all of them after round 1 unless something is terribly wrong with her. Some chapters do the majority of their releases early on in recruitment, and others make most of their releases later.

With campuses that use release figures, far more PNMs don't receive bids because they drop out of recruitment instead of from being released by all chapters.

[tld221]

* whew * i thought this was something else...

[SWTXBelle]

Oh good - it wasn't just me!

[angels85]

There was a girl when I went through that got cut from every house--all 14-- and supposedly she was a really funny girl with a lot of friends. To be completely blunt, she was a very overweight girl who wasn't extrememly attractive. I hate that it happened to her esp. because she was such a fun person, but the Greek system isn't always sympathetic.

As a Rho Chi last year, I didnt experience any of my girls getting cut by every house...Thank God.

[AlwaysSAI]

I guess to be the voice of the devil--

As many GCers know already, I was released from all five groups after round 3. It was heartbreaking then, but life really does go on. I got involved in two other greek orgs and although niether is NPC--it has been a fabulous experience and much enriched my college career.

I hate to be the voice from the other side, but life will go on if you are released from recruitment. I sincerely hope you are not released and many others will agree with me--but every one's home is not in an NPC org.

And, if you are released, if NPC is what you really really want you could always try again. There are women on my campus that went through recruitment two or three times before getting a bid they would accept; I just would rather not waste my time with something that didn't work out the first time. If it takes an org three chances to see how great you are they really don't deserve you.

I guess, I'm just trying to say-don't put all your eggs in one basket. There are other options out there if NPC doesn't work out.

[AGDLynn]

(Gosh..slight hijack...I just saw that I was quoted by AlwaysSAI in her sig!)

Okay, back...

It does depend on the campus and what is going on with that particular Panhellenic situation. Most groups try not to release the first night but usually do so because the GPA is very low and/or they HAD to release a certain number.

As each night goes on, a certain number has to be released and unfortunately, great potentials are released.

[AChiOhSnap]

Originally Posted by RedRover

I have enjoyed reading the various recruitment stories, but I have one question.

I have read about fraternities and sororities eliminating or "cutting" rushees through the various rounds. I am curious if any forum members know of a case where rushee was cut from all the fraternities or sororities during the first round of rush.

I ask the question because, from what I have read in the various postings, a rushee might only have less than 30 minutes to make positive impression on the members of a particular house. I have wonder if some 18 or 19 year olds have enough social skills to make a positive impression on a group of strangers, givien the various limitations of time, logistics, etc.

Just wonderin'

The short answer is yes, but you really had to screw up, at least on my campus, to be dropped from recruitment right away.

We had a girl come through rush who was cut by every chapter after the first night. She was a nice enough girl as a person....but she had made some incredibly poor choices during freshman week which led to a really gross situation. Needless to say, her reputation was trashed, and no chapter wanted to associate her kind of behavior with their group. She was the only PNM released after the first round that year.

There always seemed to be at least one woman cut by all groups after the first round. Normally these weren't due to reputation issues (honestly, you had to have a LEGENDARY rep like the aforementioned PNM) but due to bizzare behavior. Looking back, those bizzare PNMs probably had a personality disorder of some sort -- you had to have been really, really weird to be cut by all chapters on my campus after 1st round -- but the absolute lack of social skills, even by an 18 year old's standards, probably did them in. Think about a PNM in all seriousness saying really sexual, creepy, or violent things. That would be the kind of woman to get cut after the first round.

[FuzzieAlum]

Aside from grades, it took something spectacular to get cut from everywhere in the first set of cuts at my school. I can only think of one girl, who (since we had deferred) everyone probably knew was, um, odd even before rush. But bringing her twin sister (who did not go to our institution) with her to all the parties was apparently the dealbreaker.

[adrie435]

Originally Posted by FuzzieAlum

Aside from grades, it took something spectacular to get cut from everywhere in the first set of cuts at my school. I can only think of one girl, who (since we had deferred) everyone probably knew was, um, odd even before rush. But bringing her twin sister (who did not go to our institution) with her to all the parties was apparently the dealbreaker.

Maybe that's the end to Recruitment's retro story!



Sorry, I couldn't resist!!!

[thetaprincess]

I want more retro recruitment

[ThetaPrincess24]

I would guess if someone was cut from every chapter after the open house round of recruitment it's most likely an issue with grades. Most chapters wont take grade risks so if a PNM's GPA is below that chapter's minimum requirement and/or below the NPC grade requirement for that campus (if there is one) then you can expect automatic cuts from each house.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

I have seen normal women get dropped from all chapters after second or third round, but never after the first. In our rush, there were about 1200 PNM's. Usually this would happen to about 10 of them. Sometimes chapters would find this out and invite them back to later rounds, sometimes the GL office would encourage chapters to consider them for snap bids, sometimes they would COB.