Expelling a member

[Trey_P-I_47]

I was just wondering what would constitue a member getting expelled. Can a member be expelled from the fraternity if he has not been in school for the last 2 semesters, and if so for what reasons.

[GammaZeta]

Don't know exactly but...

I would think it would have to be severe. Just not being in school for 2 semesters would probably just make him an alumni. If he was not in school because he was in jail, that may be another story.

I think any behavior that seriously harms the fraternity or brotherhood would be considered, although that is very general.

[Trey_P-I_47]

Well the person in question has just pretty much been out of school. He left owing a little bit of money but was also on Academic Suspension at the same time.....So im not to sure about how they (everyone else) could try and expell him or even force him to resign. I mean he isnt even active around the chapter except with me and my roommate, and thats because he recruited both of us. So we were friends before I became a brother.

Anyone else have any thoughts about this

[iMAX386]

It's sort of laid out in the constitution about how it works and what it would require.

We had to expell a brother because we found out he was selling drugs. It's not fun, but you've got to do what you've got to do. Usually you're not losing a lot with those kinds of members.

[DeltaPhizeta332]

If the brother has not been at school in 2 semesters then I would declare him inactive. If he comes back and wants in the chapter then just have everyone vote. If he left in Good Standing then you could put him as Alumni when we graduated from another univeristy if he transferred. The procedure goes something like that but we all know there are situations where the High Gamma has put brothers as alumni who did not exactly earn it.

In ZAX,
Delta Phi 332

[lambdaindenver]

There are a number of facts missing to provide an accurate answer.

What was the status of the undergraduate when he left the institution?
What is the nature of his absence from the institution?
What is the nature of the offense for which the question is being raised?

[Trey_P-I_47]

Ok some missing facts:

Status: Academic Suspension

Left school for personal reasons.

Other than that, there really was nothing else. He may have owed some money before he went on suspension, but im not sure about that.

[lambdaindenver]

At the time that the undergraduate left school, he was on academic probation/suspension, and if he owed money, he was also on financial suspension. If he should come back to school, he should have to pay the back amounts due to correct the financial suspension. As to the academic probation/suspension, that may be a little trickier - since the concept of returning to school and picking up his old GPA leaves him in his preexisting status, even though he may have matured.

Since he has left school, and is not an alumnus in good standing, is there some other reason why the chapter would consider expelling him?

Have you notified the General Fraternity that this member has left school and was not in financial good standing when he left school?

[Trey_P-I_47]

Other than that there is nothing that I am aware of. We were in a situation last semester where our roster had several people that told us they no longer had a desire to participate with our fraternity. So we were trying to get them to sign resignation letters to make make our roster smaller so we could vote because we were being held back on decisions and so forth. But the person in question has no desire to return to our school, in fact he is planning on transferring to a nearby school next fall. So im just trying to figure out what possible grounds they have for trying to debrother him.

[lambdaindenver]

I do not worry about obtaining letters of resignation - they are almost impossible to get. If an initiated member has told an officer of the chapter that he wants to resign, have the Executive Committee vote to accept the resignation and then make the necessary roster change.

When someone drops out of your undergraduate institution, the chapter should immediately make the necessary roster change. If the member dropped out while in financial good standing, his status will be that of an alumnus in good standing. If he was not in good standing, he will not be an alumnus in good standing.

I am not sure that there is any need for the chapter to "debrother" him.

[Trey_P-I_47]

I dont think so either and am pretty upset over them even considering it. He has offered to pay any money owed and was told by our current Alpha that he didnt owe anything and even if he did I am willing to cover it for him. So im confused on what they are trying to accomplish. Oh and thats pretty much how we handled the resignations ourselves because they are impossible to obtain.

[lambdaindenver]

It may be that the chapter does not have grounds to consider expelling him. I would suggest that since the young man has left college and has not done anything that would warrant an expulsion - then the chapter should make sure that the roster is correct with the general fraternity.

As a practical matter, since the young man has left school, I assume he is no longer in the community, so the chapter would have a very difficult providing the proper notices to start an expulsion proceeding.

[Trey_P-I_47]

Actually he is still here in town and in fact only lives maybe 15 minutes from the area's colleges. So he has remained here, but as far as I can see the only thing they have to warrant an expulsion is maybe the fact that he owes money which noone is even certain of, not even the Tau or Alpha.

[Tom Earp]

Trey, owing money is not a reason for expulssion.

If that was the case, then John Tesh and Kenney Chesney should be expulled.

If he does owe money regardless of what the Alpha says, the Tau should have records. If he does and is willing to pay back dues then take it abnd be glad.

If he does not owe any money and was placed on suspension for grades, then he is still on suspension from PI Iota Zeta which in turn is suspension from LXA no matter where he goes.

He will ahve to fullfil all obligations to returned to either Alumni status or as an active at another Zeta.

lambdaindenver gave some excvelent advise. Male sure IHQ knows exactly what his status is. If he by chance is still on teh Zeta rolls then the Zeta is paying for him and he is not there.

Never lose a friend no matter what.

We all can run into trouble in our lives.

We expulled a Brother because of He voted in IFC against what was voted on by the Zeta and another Brother who was smoking weed in the house.

The first I did not agree with, the second I was all for!

[PiLambda1]

What if a Brother has an MLK day party?

:-)