what is owt mean

[babygirl12]

what does owt mean the only reason y I posted it the second time is because I didnt know where it was posted the first time. the thrid time I was responding to reply to post it in better place for me to ask. I am not a troll for all those that think so. I am on here just to get some adivce I thought that one of the ideas held dear to the sororities is service mean helping others is what nphc were about. so I dont understand y some go out their way to be mean. Any ways thanks for the repones useful or not

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by ONElove1997

I'm just going to say this before someone else does.

GET A FLIPPIN CLUE!

Anywho there is a little thing called Greek Etiquette and you should be using it!

If you don't know the answer to things about GLO's already, it is probably because you are NOT supposed too.

Please be respectful before you post again!

Thanks!

No no, she was told to post here. This is the part where you sit back and watch the responses from the guys

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by bIueangel

Sending the poster here was cruel. Apparently, the people who did so were anxious to see her embarrassed and berated over what was most likely a very innocent question. The better response to her original question would have been, "I'm sorry, that's information that only initiated members know." That would have put an end to it right there with no feelings getting hurt.

EXCUSE ME! I sent her here, because 1) the word was originated by the Omegas--they should be the ones to decide if to answer it or not, and 2) she has posted the same question on multiple forums including MY sorority's forum. It was there I first told her to come here, because we could not answer it. Instead she posted it on GL where I reiterated that she should ask it here.

So if you think that was cruel--then this is not the board for you!

[jwright25]

Originally Posted by bIueangel

There is just too much nastiness on this Greek Chat, and I'll call it out when I see it.

Were you appointed to this position by someone in power? I thought you were banned.

[jwright25]

Originally Posted by bIueangel

Jwright, do you think it's OK to be cruel to people who as inappropriate questions when they simply may not know about the Greek system?

OK. Since you asked, here's what I think.

I think the OP should have gotten the hint about 3 threads ago. If I had read the responses that she received after asking the first time, I would assume that the answer to my question was NONE OF MY BUSINESS. And then rather than continue to post in other forums, if I still insisted on knowing, I would have taken the matter to private message.

I also live by something I learned as a 3 year old. Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me. I do NOT offend easily. And I think that if fewer people were so sensitive to WORDS and easily offended in this world, it would be a much easier place to live in. I believe in being respectful and I believe in respecting the opinions of others. I am very open-minded. I am open-minded to your opinions, too, but your post sounded like you were trying to be the GC Police and suppress the posts of others. And that's not too far from your history of saving screenshots, researching personal information, and reporting post after post because you don't like it. Your post that you'll "call out the nastiness" had nothing to do with the OP or the question asked. If you want to talk about the evil people on GC, start a thread about it. I'm sure there are many who would love to discuss the matter with you. You can say whatever you want, but expect people to respond with things you don't like. I don't care that you responded to me, and I don't care to share my opinions with you.

As to the OP being clueless - if she has heard the term "OWT" and knows that it has something to do with Greek life - enough to come to a Fraternity/Sorority message board to try and ascertain the meaning of it - then she should know enough to be aware that fraternities and sororities have SECRETS and that this just might be one of them. Anyone who has seen random movies with fraternities in them knows that there are secrets and rituals. You don't have to be in one to know that. I doubt that she's in high school or elementary school and is saavy enough to have been around adult men in a fraternity, have heard the term "OWT," and then figured out that this is the place to find out their secrets.

As to whether or not it is OK to be "cruel," I don't think it is that big of a deal whether they are "cruel" or not. In this case, I don't think the responses were cruel, because as I mentioned, the OP should have figured out long ago that it probably isn't her business. If she heard it from a fraternity man, she would have had the opportunity to ask him in person. Perhaps she did and she was not given the answer - so she sought it online. Whether or not people on GC are "cruel" should not be a defining factor in whether or not they are allowed to SPEAK FREELY. Let them say whatever they want. If you think this is a hostile atmosphere, you have no obligation to continue reading. If I don't like porn, I won't look at it. I'm not going to start a crusade against someone else's free expression.

I am going to refer to a response to the first time babygirl12 posted this question. This should have been sufficient - in addition to everything else she has received:

Originally Posted by dzdst796

If you have to ask then you don't need to know.

[ladygreek]

bIueangel,
Have you read the lastest thread she started? Still think this is a high schooler who isn't aware of what's going on?

BTW, there is nothing secret about OWT. And if she had read up on GC, before she started posting, she would have seen the context of it being used and would know what it meant.

Do you know the definition of troll?

[jwright25]

Originally Posted by bIueangel

Thanks for your response.

Don't you think that rather than sarcastic and digging remarks, someone should have just said something like, "This is information that is only revealed to the initiated members of the organization."? That would have been the end of it. Instead, she probably thought that if she asked in a different area of GC, she might have gotten a serious answer.

I think that several people did make this clear when she posted it the first time.

Originally Posted by bIueangel

How can you assume that the OP knows enough about OWT not to ask about it? I went through rush and didn't know anything about fraternities or sororities. I also asked an inappropriate question. But the difference is, it was answered politely and tactfully. I knew sororities had SECRETS, but I didn't realize the symbols on the crest were secrets. We don't know where the OP heard the term OWT. Maybe she read it on the internet somewhere. We do not know.

Since she did not elaborate as to why she wants to know, you are right, we do not know where she found it. However, she does know that it has something to do with a fraternity and should have realized from the first thread that she started that it may be secretive. When someone asks "What does Quota mean?" it is answered. When someone asks "What does AOT mean?" it is NOT answered. She was not immediately answered. She should have cut her losses, apologized for the misunderstanding, and read the post about Newbie Mistakes. She is now attempting to have sorority women effectively fill out her membership application for her. I'm not even going to touch on the hundreds of ways that is wrong.

Originally Posted by bIueangel

I'm sorry that you were taught that "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me." I don't mean that in a sarcastic way, I truly mean that because that kind of thinking can come back to bite you in your life.

Please elaborate. How will it come back to bite me later in life? I don't go around hurling insults just because I was taught that. The spirit behind it is not to let something negative that is spoken or written bother me so bad that I can't function clearly. The point is that I don't give a flying flip what someone that I don't know thinks about me. I don't know their values and don't know their priorities. That's not meant to be negative, it just means that I value the opinions of my friends, family, and people I trust more than I value the opinions of someone I've never met, probably won't ever meet, and don't know if I have anything in common with. Again, I use that phrase as a defensive technique to not let stupid things consume my existence - not as an offensive tactic to have an excuse to be mean to others. And I don't see anything wrong with that. I don't go around saying to myself, "Damn, I wish someone I don't know would make me mad."

Originally Posted by bIueangel

It is well proven that words can and do hurt people. Why do you think there are laws against libel and slander? Perhaps you do not offend easily, but many people do. Do you think that because you do not offend easily is an excuse to be accepting of those who intentionally attack and offend others with words?

My VERY limited knowledge of laws against libel and slander are that they are in effect for protecting people from having their income and livelihood affected by blatant lies. I cannot go around saying something like "Hollywood Actor X rapes goats" unless I have some serious proof. Something like that would prohibit Actor X from getting a job or being able to function in society. Calling someone a dumbass is an opinion and cannot be proven to detract from that person's pursuit of happiness. I really don't have legal background in this issue, but if it's not that way, it's stupid.

I know that words hurt people. When spoken by someone that is loved or cared about, words can hurt. And they would hurt me. That's my whole point. I can't be hurt by someone I don't know. I'm stronger than that. Someone could come on here right after me and tell me that I am the biggest idiot pile of crap to ever hit GC, and it wouldn't bother me, because I don't know him or her personally. However, if my husband said that, I wouldn't like it.

Originally Posted by bIueangel

I'm also sorry that you don't think it's a big deal to be "cruel" to others. It is indeed a very big deal. Additionally, don't you think that being cruel to others reflects poorly on Greeks in general? This type of behavior just reinforces all of the bad stereotypes about fraternities and sororities.

One could also argue that the responses you think are cruel are funny to others. Or informative. It's all a matter of personal perception. You perceive them as cruel. Others don't. That doesn't make one person right and the other person wrong. They're expressing opinions. I doubt that anyone has read something on GreekChat that has hindered his or her decision to participate in recruitment. And if so, then that person is entirely too shortsighted and closed-minded to belong to a GLO. We all make it perfectly clear that our opinions expressed on this message board are NOT the opinions of our organizations or its members. So therefore it should be taken away that not every single person wearing Greek letters would react in the same way to a question. There are people in my sorority that I think are not nice. There are people that I work with that I think are not nice. There are people in my church that I think are not nice. Do I dwell on them and let them lessen my experiences in life? No!! I just refuse to let the negative bother me! The more attention it is given, the more it feels the power that it has over me.

Greek life is not all hearts and flowers, and if we continuously edit our opinions and censor our members to make it look like hearts and flowers, we are doing potential members a disservice.

Originally Posted by bIueangel

You suggested that if I think this is a hostile atmosphere that I have no obligation to continue reading. I disagree. If I ignore the behavior then I am just as guilty as those who participate in it.

And that is your opinion that you are entitled to. What other guilty behaviors and atrocities in life and in the world to you feel compelled to not ignore and therefore direct your time and energies into combatting?

I do not mean this rudely, but I suggest that perhaps we should take this conversation elsewhere or to PM rather than continue to intrude on Omega Psi Phi's forums. I have no problem with the discussion, but they may not wish to host it.

[ladygreek]

^^^^^ bIueangel, this message board (and this one is very mild compared to others) is not for you. It isn't going to change and if it affects you this much, I beseech you for the sake of your mental health to stop visiting it.

BTW, I don't see babygirl bemoaning the fact that folx have been mean to her. In fact she keeps posting. Doesn't that tell you something? (She is probably laughing at you right now.) The regulars on here have trolldar and react accordingly.

Oh wait, maybe you are an alter ego/troll, too. If so--good stuff!

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by bIueangel

One person can make a difference.

And don't you see you're a not?

If you'd like to continue this discussion in PM's, I'd be happy to.

Why?

[neosoul]

all I wanna know is... where are the Omega men?

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by jwright25

I do not mean this rudely, but I suggest that perhaps we should take this conversation elsewhere or to PM rather than continue to intrude on Omega Psi Phi's forums. I have no problem with the discussion, but they may not wish to host it.

Trust my bruhz will tell us when they have had enuf.

[SydneyK]

Originally Posted by bIueangel

Probably sitting back eating buttered popcorn and watching the show.

Isn't this precisely the kind of remark that you find cruel? You can't have it both ways - either live up to your "one person can make a difference/if you watch others being cruel without doing something about it yourself you're just as cruel" mantra or get off your high horse.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by bIueangel

This thread has indeed become a train wreck, do you not agree?

It's only 2 pages. I hate dramatic people.

[SydneyK]

Originally Posted by bIueangel

Why do you consider that remark cruel?

I don't consider it cruel. I said, "Isn't this the type of remark that YOU (emphasis added) find cruel?"

You had just criticized Drolefille for a similar remark. Hence, I criticized you for your hypocrisy.

No need to bring the OP into this. At this point, this "train wreck" as you call it is only about you. I can see why you like GC so much. While it obviously isn't the forum for you, you certainly find a way to make it a forum ABOUT you. See, now you're popular.

[ladygreek]

Interesting that the OP went back and rewrote her first post using the script bIueangel gave her.