PIKE Update

[ladygreek]

I understand that mods have the discretion to lock threads, but I do have a request. Can the mod who locks a thread at least identify themselves in the last post and give an explanantion as to why. I think the posters on here deserve at least that consideration.

[James]

I didn't get to post a serious response to the Pike at Howard thread so I figured I would take a moment to do it here.

Forgive me if I repeat what some others have written.

I think it should be clear that a NIC group, and i mean the fraternities that we can consider as traditionally white, are very different than the NPHC groups. Which means Pike represents a different kind of choice.

I know everyone realizes this, but its worth taking a moment to revisit it.

NIC groups traditionally don't have as strong a national mission as the NPHC groups.

From what I understand from this board and my friends in NPHC groups, the National character of the NPHC groups is more indoctrinated than their NIc counterparts.

The biggest difference is the emphasis on service. NIC groups are social fraternities first . . . and they do some service type activities.

My understanding of the NPHC groups I have worked with is that they are virtuallty service organizations. Service organizations that socialize.

In fact, when I ran a chapter, often we would be ten times the size of some of the NPHC groups but they would do ten times the service activities.

NIC groups exist to socialize. NPHC groups exist to serve.

I am not saying one is better than the other, just different.

Getting to my point.

I don't know what motivates the the men that want to join Pike versus an NPHC group, or just stay independant, but from the outside it looks like the members want to join a more social organization than a more service one.

I think thats an important distinction to make, because the NIC groups and the NPHC groups are not interchangeable.

This is not like they are starting a chapter of Iota Phi Theta instead of joining the Alpha Phi Alpha chapter. The NIC group is a whole 'nother animal.

This is more like people starting a school TV club instead of joining the established Radio club because their interest is similar (Communications) but still different.

[kddani]

Originally posted by ladygreek
I understand that mods have the discretion to lock threads, but I do have a request. Can the mod who locks a thread at least identify themselves in the last post and give an explanantion as to why. I think the posters on here deserve at least that consideration.

I'm not the mod who did, but i'm pretty sure it was because of the train wreck that it turned into that went totally off topic, from Sensuret and Tom battling it out (go Sensuret ) to the fratty folk's invasion.

The colonization was barely being discussed among all the other crap... and it wasn't just general off-topic crap, it was messy off-topic crap.

[AOII_LB93]

I would assume it was closed because it turned into a train wreck of a thread that went so off topic and basically turned into GC member bashing as opposed to actual constructive thoughts on the original topic.

I'm glad it was closed, it was getting way hostile.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally posted by James
I don't know what motivates the the men that want to join Pike versus an NPHC group, or just stay independant, but from the outside it looks like the members want to join a more social organization than a more service one.

What some of us older members of NPHC groups are saying that we do not have that kind of luxury to "just be a social group". The kids in college may just see our NPHC organizations as just that, but after college, there is a lot more we do afterward. And that is what you, yourself see when working with us. We see our organizations starting kids off with the basis premise of service along with socialiablity.

So on your assessment, the fact that most "traditonal NIC" organizations are mainly social, then that would say to me, in my opinion, that the young men who sought Pi Kappa Alpha Fraternity out from Howard University see the social life at Howard as substandard and they keep telling us to give folks a different choice...

What some of us are saying, what is that choice? And basically questioning intent to join. Because we know both NIC and NPHC networking pretty much operates the same way and in several ways crosses paths. But right now, in my opinion, they young men fail to see that.

Hey, but its their choice... They can do whatever they want to do. But I know plenty of adults that also complain and wish they made different choices. And I find that silly... Especially when we are talking about the premise of the NPHC organizations international mission statements...

[ladygreek]

I am not questioning why it was closed. I just am asking that the mod who closes it identifies themself and states why in the last post. This is common on other MBs that I visit.

[coastalpike]

Just found out they colonized with 58 members. Pretty impressive.

[PiKA2001]

Originally posted by coastalpike
Just found out they colonized with 58 members. Pretty impressive.

Very impressive indeed.

[Tom Earp]

The Thread was Closed as a Train Wreck is something refering to to posts that got totally out of hand.

This is a Group of Young Men who requested a GLO to come on campus of a School and should have been all. It turned into a semi-hate thread about a so Called White GOL going onto a HBC.

People were getting out of hand and it should have been closed by any or all of The MODs of that Thread.

[Honeykiss1974]

Originally posted by coastalpike
Just found out they colonized with 58 members. Pretty impressive.

Wow!

[kddani]

Originally posted by AXiD670
I completely agree. It's also frustrating when you PM mods to ask why a thread has been closed and you get no response.

The TOS says "The owners of GreekChat.com Forums have the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread for any reason. " Mods are agents of the owners.

I think the mods, particularly of this forum in particular, have done a damn good job of keeping things in check with all the crap that's going on. Do you have any idea how many emails they get reporting posts everyday? Or how many PMs from people?

Mods aren't paid. Amycat, SAEAlumnus, moe.ron and DeltAlum are not paid to moderate this forum (using this forum as an example). They have all had to put up with a lot of crap and put in a lot of time lately. Answering a PM about why a thread was closed isn't really high on the priority list when you have racist and hateful threads to delete.

[mulattogyrl]

Originally posted by coastalpike
Just found out they colonized with 58 members. Pretty impressive.

Wow! That is impressive.

[frathole]

I think in the end it boils down to this:

If they're good guys, and run the chapter in the mold of a long established traditional chapter, then I'm all for it.

If its a bunch of turds or a social club with letters, then the fact we have the same letters means next to nothing.

[aopirose]

Originally posted by coastalpike
Just found out they colonized with 58 members. Pretty impressive.

Congrats!

[Sister Havana]

Originally posted by coastalpike
Just found out they colonized with 58 members. Pretty impressive.

Wow! Congratulations to them...that is impressive.