A question to our lawyers

hoosier · #1 02-06-2006, 03:41 PM

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Kevin · #2 02-06-2006, 03:53 PM

I'm no lawyer, but I'm sure that the answer 'depends' on what type of legal theories are being advanced here. It might also have something to do with the state of torts law in Texas -- I understand that it's very favorable to defendants.

My general understanding from being a former executive officer of my chapter is that chapter officers, especially the pres. can be named in lawsuits -- criminal or civil.

Really, I have no problem with heads rolling over something like this if the chapter's actual pledge program was responsible for this (or any other official function of the chapter).

hoosier · #3 02-06-2006, 06:07 PM

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Originally posted by ktsnake
I'm no lawyer, but I'm sure that the answer 'depends' on what type of legal theories are being advanced here. It might also have something to do with the state of torts law in Texas -- I understand that it's very favorable to defendants.

My general understanding from being a former executive officer of my chapter is that chapter officers, especially the pres. can be named in lawsuits -- criminal or civil.

Really, I have no problem with heads rolling over something like this if the chapter's actual pledge program was responsible for this (or any other official function of the chapter).

This trial may only consist of three questions:

Fraternity?

Hazing?

How much money do your parents have?

shinerbock · #4 02-06-2006, 06:59 PM

Unfortunately, if the trial took place in Austin, the braindead liberals in that town might actually come back for the parents.

GeekyPenguin · #5 02-14-2006, 01:12 AM

I have a question for the real lawyers, and not the pretend ones like me:

If somebody was writing stories using the names of real people involved in incidents that were based on real incidents, could those people recover damages for libel, slander, defamation of character, invasion of privacy, and intentional infliction of emotional distress?

hoosier · #6 02-14-2006, 01:35 AM

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Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
I have a question for the real lawyers, and not the pretend ones like me:

If somebody was writing stories using the names of real people involved in incidents that were based on real incidents, could those people recover damages for libel, slander, defamation of character, invasion of privacy, and intentional infliction of emotional distress?

Hope not, based on the phone calls I've received

hoosier · #7 02-14-2006, 02:16 AM

"you've hurt some people."

'My lawyer will be in touch with you."

"Beware"

Not Colorado or Tiffin, I think.

I've turned my answering machine on

saetex · #8 02-14-2006, 04:13 AM

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Originally posted by ktsnake
I'm no lawyer, but I'm sure that the answer 'depends' on what type of legal theories are being advanced here. It might also have something to do with the state of torts law in Texas -- I understand that it's very favorable to defendants.

My general understanding from being a former executive officer of my chapter is that chapter officers, especially the pres. can be named in lawsuits -- criminal or civil.

Really, I have no problem with heads rolling over something like this if the chapter's actual pledge program was responsible for this (or any other official function of the chapter).

I go to school there and the pledge program had nothing to do with it. obviously from your comments to me earlier, you are one of those anti-hazing crusaders. From what I have heard that kid was a fall down drunk who binge drank all the time. He also killed himself later on the night that he got initiated, obviously there would not have been any hazing.
Frankly, I am sick and tired of whole chapters being held responsible for dumbass individuals who do not know how to have self control. I would blame the parents before anyone else for not teaching their son how to drink socially and show restraint.

Kevin · #9 02-14-2006, 09:57 AM

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Originally posted by saetex
I go to school there and the pledge program had nothing to do with it. obviously from your comments to me earlier, you are one of those anti-hazing crusaders. From what I have heard that kid was a fall down drunk who binge drank all the time. He also killed himself later on the night that he got initiated, obviously there would not have been any hazing.
Frankly, I am sick and tired of whole chapters being held responsible for dumbass individuals who do not know how to have self control. I would blame the parents before anyone else for not teaching their son how to drink socially and show restraint.

Obviously, you didn't read what I said. I just said that it was pretty stupid of you to post on a public forum which your national officers and greek life officials may read admitting that you haze and further to some extent, enumerating the specific activities that your chapter participates in.

It was more a jab at your abject disregard for your brothers' well-being. A university investigation has been known to mess up a person's college career. Is it worth it so that you can sound like a badass on an internet board?

-- and FWIW, I have always felt that hazing was pointless, but to each his own.

saetex · #10 02-14-2006, 06:55 PM

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Originally posted by ktsnake
Obviously, you didn't read what I said. I just said that it was pretty stupid of you to post on a public forum which your national officers and greek life officials may read admitting that you haze and further to some extent, enumerating the specific activities that your chapter participates in.

It was more a jab at your abject disregard for your brothers' well-being. A university investigation has been known to mess up a person's college career. Is it worth it so that you can sound like a badass on an internet board?

-- and FWIW, I have always felt that hazing was pointless, but to each his own.

you are entitled to your opinions, but I dont think I saud I haze, nor that I hazed anyone else. I said I liked it, but I reall don't think I even admitted an personal involvement. Maybe I did though.

Kevin · #11 02-15-2006, 12:51 AM

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Originally posted by saetex
you are entitled to your opinions, but I dont think I saud I haze, nor that I hazed anyone else. I said I liked it, but I reall don't think I even admitted an personal involvement. Maybe I did though.

You've made your involvement pretty clear by your posts on this board.

If I were you, I'd be a little more careful on how I phrased things as to keep my chapter in the clear. No one needs your personal admission or "proof" to initiate an investigation. You just have to give them reason to suspect.

I have no idea how things are at UT, but where I'm from, it's something that's done, but it's not something that's talked about.

That said, my chapter doesn't, and if it did, I'd be pretty upset -- and you're right. Everyone is entitled to his opinion on this matter. Of course, I think I get points for having the only opinion that would hold that illegal acts are a generally bad ideas...

saetex · #12 02-15-2006, 02:39 PM

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Originally posted by ktsnake
No threats, just common sense.

And you really think that a Senator, businessman, etc. is going to risk his reputation to support your illegal acts? Hardly.

Are you kidding me, are you really that naive???????? If you think that Fraternities do not use high profile alumni to help alleviate problems that may arise....you have your head stuck in the ground. How would that ruine their reputation....most problems that arise that do not concern death or something of an extreme serious nature are dealt with privately. Try again. And yes, there has been a State Senator from SAE UT that has helped in some situations.

SigmaChiGuy · #13 02-15-2006, 03:03 PM

As my good friend Robbie Hart would say 'a whoop-a-deee-dooo'.

Do you think some high-profile SAE lawyer/senator/congressman would come to the aid of some piss-ant sophomore who hazed his pledge into hospitalization? Nah, he'd say 'sorry, you're not worth my time. I have a campaign and a reputation to maintain. My next 4 years are worth more than your 10 year jail sentance.'

PS, if you don't know Robbie Hart, that is Adam Sandler in the Wedding Singer.

saetex · #14 02-15-2006, 03:30 PM

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Originally posted by SigmaChiGuy
As my good friend Robbie Hart would say 'a whoop-a-deee-dooo'.

Do you think some high-profile SAE lawyer/senator/congressman would come to the aid of some piss-ant sophomore who hazed his pledge into hospitalization? Nah, he'd say 'sorry, you're not worth my time. I have a campaign and a reputation to maintain. My next 4 years are worth more than your 10 year jail sentance.'

PS, if you don't know Robbie Hart, that is Adam Sandler in the Wedding Singer.

Hey sport, we have a very good relationship with the high profiles that were SAE at UT. One Senator was a pledge brother with my dad....back in the 70's when they got their balls hazed off. He would help in any situation.....stop acting like you know more about our chapter than we do.
You are just being sad now. Please try harder.

Oh Im sorry, I dont remember me or any of my buddies KILLING one of our pledges.

I guess the whole drink yourself to death is a EX thing

CarolinaCutie · #15 02-15-2006, 03:32 PM

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Originally posted by saetex
Hey sport, we have a very good relationship with the high profiles that were SAE at UT. One Senator was a pledge brother with my dad....back in the 70's when they got their balls hazed off. He would help in any situation.....stop acting like you know more about our chapter than we do.
You are just being sad now. Please try harder.

How long have you been initiated?