90's rap music

cashmoney · #1 03-24-2005, 01:10 AM

I was wondering, does anyone notice a big difference in rap music today and rap music in the 90's? When I was in highschool in the 90's I listened to people like Bone Thugs-N-Harmony, 8-ball, Puff Daddy, Cyprus Hill, 69-boys, Jam Pony Express, 95 South, Pastor Troy and Snoop. Back then their music was considered bad. I even listend to Biggie and Tupac

Is it just me or does some of the shit Lil'john, East side boys, Trick-Daddy, Ludicris,50 cent, G-unit and Mase put out sound a lot worse in their lyrics?

I mean, Jam-Pony Express usually talked about getting head. meanwhile 50 cent talks about busting caps in peoples asses while slinging rock.

Puffy used to only sing about being a pimp, Biggie got in the picture and made him gansta. Cyprus Hill talked about getting high but now Ying-Twins talk about bitches licking sweat off balls.

Seriously, anyone else notice this?

Cash

Dionysus · #2 03-24-2005, 01:15 AM

Yeah rap has taken a turn for the worse. It's just so unorginal these days. I loved 90's rap.

cashmoney · #3 03-24-2005, 01:18 AM

"Yeah!
Right about now
It's time for the real nigga role call
Now when you hear your city or state being called
You put your motherfuckin' middle finger up in this bitch
ATL, St. Louis, Alabahma, Chicago, The Carolina's, Nep Town,
DC, The Bay Area, VA, Miami, New York niggas, texas, You know!

Ya'll niggas can't fuck wit my niggas ho! [x4]

Mothafuck that nigga! [x4]
Mothafuck that bitch! [x4]

Ya'll bitches!
Come on flexin' ass flauntin' ass niggas!
My Niggas!
Be some real ass treal ass niggas!
Your niggas!
Be some ho ass pussy ass niggas!
My Niggas!
Be some head-bustin' gangsta ass niggas!
Your Niggas!
Be some runnin' and scared ass niggas!
My Niggas!
Be some Roy Jone beat ya ass niggas!
Your Niggas!
Be some cake and handcuffin' ass niggas!
My Niggas!
Be some "Send them hoes out!" ass niggas!
Your Niggas!
Be some tricking "Don't pay them hoes!" ass niggas!
My Niggas!
Be some Don Juan piumpin' ass niggas!
Your Niggas!
Be some 22 havin' ass niggas!
My Niggas!
Be some chopper street sweepin' ass niggas!
Your Niggas!
Them ol' half ounce sellin' ass niggas!
My Niggas!
Be some dirty bird movin' ass niggas!
Your Niggas!
Be some kissin' security ass ass niggas!
My Niggas!
Fuck them hoes and let 'em know ass niggas!

Yeah!
I see you and your lil click up in tha club nigga
I see ya'll niggas over there talkin' that shit
But you know what nigga
Bitch niggas get dealt wit motherfuckin' real quick!

We runnin this bitch
Ya'll niggas ain't shit
We runnin this bitch
Ya'll niggas ain't shit
We in tha club gettin' crunk
You in tha club gettin' stomped
We in tha club gettin' crunk
You in tha club gettin' stomped
We in tha hood on tha block
You in tha hood gettin' shot
We in tha hood on tha block
You in tha hood gettin' shot
We quick ta show you what we bout
You quick to run ya fuckin' mouth
We quick ta show you what we bout
You quick to run ya fuckin' mouth
Real niggas from tha east
And we got a fuckin' piece
Real niggas from tha east
And we got a fuckin' piece
We against tha niggas from tha west
Puttin' holes in ya vest
We against tha niggas from tha west
Puttin' holes in ya vest
My midwest niggas hard
Quick ta pull ya fuckin' card
My midwest niggas hard
Quick ta pull ya fuckin' card
And down south we set if off
Blow ya fuckin' face off
And down south we set if off
Blow ya fuckin' face off (real nigga role call)"

-Lil'John "Role Call"

cashmoney · #4 03-24-2005, 01:19 AM

No wonder people refer to the south as "Dirty South"

DeltaSigStan · #5 03-24-2005, 01:23 AM

I always wanted to comment on the same thing, and say almost the exact same thing you did. I just didn't cause I felt it wasn't my place

Here's a story from our paper that I think relates:

http://aztec.collegepublisher.com/ne...p-865148.shtml

Is hip-hop music getting a bad rap?
By Tommy Gorman, Staff Writer
Published: Wednesday, February 16, 2005

During the 1990s, rap music became the voice of young, black culture. Yet, as the years progressed from 1999 to 2000, rap was demoted from quality music to ridiculous noise.

Rap music has grown in popularity, and expanded from being a "black thing" to a form of art enjoyed by people of all races.

Originally, the motivation for many rap songs came from the impoverished communities in which artists lived. Overwhelming crime rates, failing educational systems and a sense of urgency became expressed in the form of rhyming words and syllables. Rap became the vehicle for black expression. However, black America has used music as its soundtrack since the time of slavery.

The Souls of Black Folk, written by W. E. B. Du Bois, explains the importance of music to black America. In a chapter of his book titled "The Sorrow Songs," Du Bois describes how music flourished from the spirit of black people, despite the brutality of the slavery they endured.

Du Bois writes, "And so by fateful chance the Negro folk song stands ... as the most beautiful expression of human experience born this side of the seas." He further explains, "They are the music of an unhappy people, of the children of disappointment; they tell of death and suffering and unvoiced longing toward a truer world ... "

As late as 1992, hip-hop served as the modern form of the Negro spiritual. Take for instance the rap group Arrested Development, which won a Grammy Award for its song titled "Tennessee" - a song that captures the same frustration as some Negro spirituals.

The chorus sings, "Take me to another place / Take me to another land / Make me forget all that hurts me / Let me understand your plan."

Through these words, Arrested Development captured the meaning of Du Bois' quote: " ... a longing toward a truer world."

Several rap groups have contributed to the positive impact of hip-hop, such as Black Star, A Tribe Called Quest and The Roots. Unfortunately, the quality of rap music has taken a serious nosedive over the past five years. As a result, the image of hip-hop is plummeting as well.

I became aware of the negative impact of rap music through a class discussion. The professor's assistant asked why it had become so common that women were referred to in the same manner as female dogs. Immediately, someone answered, "Hip-hop music."

Initially, I was shocked. I couldn't help but feel disappointed. I wasn't mad at the person for blaming rap music for the downgrading of women. I was mad because he was right.

There are very few rap albums today that do not refer to women as "bitches." In addition, the "N" word has been repeated on virtually every rap album since the middle '90s.

Music videos are also damaging the image of hip-hop. Instead of focusing on making good music, rappers are prostituting themselves. Rap videos are flooded with jewelry, luxury cars and sex. This is not what hip-hop is about.

The transitions of rap music was described by Chuck D in an Air America Radio broadcast. This former member of the rap group Public Enemy compared rap music to the average poor person who strikes it rich.

Chuck D said rap music and hip-hop culture were not associated with wealth 20 years ago. Yet, as time progressed, the humble beginning of rap music grew into a million-dollar industry. Rappers began to ignore the hardships of everyday life because they weren't poor any longer. As a result of rap's commercial success, rap became the musical twin of any poor person who won the lottery. Rap music transformed from the sound of "hunger and despair" to the bragging style of "look at what I got."

It can be said that hip-hop - and its culture - is similar to the solar system. The sun rests in the center of the solar system while nine planets rotate around it. Similarly, rap and hip-hop music is the foundation that hip-hop culture revolves around.

Currently, the rotation of hip-hop does not resemble the solar system at all. Instead, it sounds more like water spiraling down a toilet of material items and profanity. In order for hip-hop to make a positive impact such as it did in the past, the industry needs to clean its pipes.

************************************

The sad thing is, I was in that class when this certain girl made that comment about hip hop. I felt an urge to back hand her with some knowledge, but the majority of the class is just like her, and I didn't feel like hearing any plastic excuses as to why hip-hop gives negative connotations when all of their ideas come from the same brain that watches the OC and the Real World.

If you've ever seen Beef 2, the examination of the KRS-One/Nelly beef said it all. This mainstream audience that has turned on to hip-hop, so now it's been commercialized by suits, and the original message has been lost. my 2 cents....once again, it's not my place to comment...

kafromTN · #6 03-24-2005, 01:25 AM

Here we come boy
Real niggas shoot ta kill betta run boy
Or you can tell me how I feel as a
Real nigga
Which nigga
Go get a bitch nigga
No better
Hoes better do what I say
Cuz I'm insane in tha brain
Bitch I got rick james in my veins
Real niggas never change
We just let it bang
Roll thru tha gutter lane
Daddy said let 'em hang
And cut 'em like its butter mayne
Skeet skeet skeet
Naw thats tha other mayne
Cuz my skeet never leak out this rubber man

cashmoney · #7 03-24-2005, 01:55 AM

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Originally posted by DeltaSigStan
I always wanted to comment on the same thing, and say almost the exact same thing you did. I just didn't cause I felt it wasn't my place

Here's a story from our paper that I think relates:

http://aztec.collegepublisher.com/ne...p-865148.shtml

The sad thing is, I was in that class when this certain white sorority girl made that comment about hip hop. I felt an urge to back hand her with some knowledge, but the majority of the class is just like her, and I didn't feel like hearing any plastic excuses as to why hip-hop gives negative connotations when all of their ideas come from the same brain that watches the OC and the Real World.

If you've ever seen Beef 2, the examination of the KRS-One/Nelly beef said it all. This mainstream audience that has turned on to hip-hop, so now it's been commercialized by suits, and the original messagew has been lost. my 2 cents....

I feel ya totally on it. People like RUN DMC, Jam Master J had real messages. Those guys were looked at like artist. Ice T shot it all to hell with "Cop Killa". After that eveyrone started getting gangsta, to the point where they now have the ghetto ass thugs singing about fucking bitches, killin niggas, jackin niggas, slanging and how nobody can fuck with them. Yea, I might think it sounds alright every now and then. But when I have a kid I damn sure don't want him telling me about his weekend -going on and on about how he coked bitches out, split a few niggas wigs all while dumping off a kilo.

Seriously, any of you think the censor standard should be raised for rap music? Like, do you think some things shouldnt be allowed in songs or maybe some sort of federal law that would limit rappers from saying stuff "Bust a cap in dat niggas ass!" or white supremist groups like Rammstein ??? People dont understand why all the kids are shooting up schools or dealing/doing drugs......IF YOU PAY ATTENTION TO THE MUSIC THEY LISTEN TO, YOU MIGHT KNOW WHY!!!!!!

ETA: And if my son ever came home saying " Back up, bitch, move da fuck out da way (pastor troy,lil'john)" You might see me on tv one day being charged with beating his son's ass.

KSigkid · #8 03-24-2005, 10:10 AM

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Originally posted by cashmoney
I feel ya totally on it. People like RUN DMC, Jam Master J had real messages. Those guys were looked at like artist. Ice T shot it all to hell with "Cop Killa". After that eveyrone started getting gangsta, to the point where they now have the ghetto ass thugs singing about fucking bitches, killin niggas, jackin niggas, slanging and how nobody can fuck with them. Yea, I might think it sounds alright every now and then. But when I have a kid I damn sure don't want him telling me about his weekend -going on and on about how he coked bitches out, split a few niggas wigs all while dumping off a kilo.

Slight hijack...I saw Run DMC a couple of summers ago at one of their last shows together (they were opening for Aerosmith), and they were absolutely awesome. It was one of the best shows I've seen.

The crazy thing was that most of the audience at that point (it was early) was much younger, and I heard people around me saying "Who are these guys?"

smiley21 · #9 03-24-2005, 11:29 AM

i miss the rap music of the 90s

the music today is crap

KSig RC · #10 03-24-2005, 12:03 PM

You guys are listening to the wrong kinds of rap - acts such as Little Brother, People Under the Stairs, and the Jurassic 5 still keep that 90s sound together, along with some positive vibes and etc.

While "crunk" might be selling records and getting videos, dig a little deeper and find the good stuff.

DeltaSigStan · #11 03-24-2005, 01:36 PM

The things is RC, I don't want to be one of those guys whose musical choices are ten, 20, even 30 years behind the rest of the world. Yeah, rap hasn't been the same since Sept. 7, 1996 and March 9, 1997, but we have to accept that this is the path the music took....

So, we lost two of the most talented, melodic, lyrical, intelligent artists to ever grace the mic.....and replaced them with Lil Jon and Nelly......

We HAVEN'T learned anything....but I digress

KSig RC · #12 03-24-2005, 01:59 PM

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Originally posted by DeltaSigStan
The things is RC, I don't want to be one of those guys whose musical choices are ten, 20, even 30 years behind the rest of the world. Yeah, rap hasn't been the same since Sept. 7, 1996 and March 9, 1997, but we have to accept that this is the path the music took....

So, we lost two of the most talented, melodic, lyrical, intelligent artists to ever grace the mic.....and replaced them with Lil Jon and Nelly......

We HAVEN'T learned anything....but I digress

Stan, you're copping out . . . there is plenty to replace Tupac and Chris Wallace, hell, Nas has improved leaps since then, but I digress.

For a more 'modern' sound, check out the DefJux or Rhymesayers rappers - it's incredible music, cutting-edge beats, and intelligence lyrics. Check out the Kweli/Common/HiTek projects, because if you don't own "Quality" you're behind the curve. Modern hip hop is NOT lil jon, and it hasn't been Nelly since 2000, man - go pick up some Zion I and Cunninglinguists, and you'll forget about all the garbage. Plus, speaking with your wallet goes a long way toward throwing the garbage off the radio (see: Black Eyed Peas exploding) . . . there is absolutely no reason why Blackalicious can't do the same thing.

DeltaSigStan · #13 03-24-2005, 02:13 PM

I've always wanted to memorize the lyrics to Alphabet Aerobics....

DeltaSigStan · #14 03-24-2005, 02:31 PM

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Originally posted by OtterXO
why isn't it your place to comment!? haha

Because, despite the fact that I've listened to hip-hop for 10 of my 22 years, I have no right to comment on the "message" that hip-hop sends (or used to send). I can try to justify and rationalize how the lyrics apply to my life, but that honestly would make me just like every white boy in upper middle suburbia who bumps Boyz N Tha Hood while he drives around his neighborhood in the Benz mommy and daddy bought them.

I didn't have to turn to drugs or crime or anything else Biggie talked about in Ready To Die. I can't recollect on my childhood and comment on the state of urban life like Nas did in Illmatic. My neighborhood was lower-middle class, and gangs still thrive in the area, but that in no way allows me to relate to what Rakim talked about in Paid In Full. I got sent to the arts school, and was sheltered from all that.

I just prefer hip-hop from the past because I'm a writer, and the lyricism and poetic sense of artists of the past continues to blow me away. I went insane when I first heard Big Daddy Kane in Another Victory, Ain't No Half Steppin, and Raw. So when Biggie says:

"If I wasn't in the rap game/ I'd probably have a key, knee deep in the crack game/ Because the streets is a short stop/ Either you’re slingin crack rock or you got a wicked jumpshot"

I mostly admire it because of the melodic sound and structure of it.

I've read about Kool Moe Dee and Bizzy Bee. I've learned about BDP vs. The Juice Crew, The Roxanne Battles, and when LL did Break of Dawn. I've done my research, but I'm in no means an expert. Hence, I shouldn't really comment.

Wait...what was I talking about?

starang21 · #15 03-24-2005, 02:43 PM

hmm....