Anti-smoking Nazis strike again

hoosier · #1 11-23-2005, 07:36 PM

The City of Kennesaw, GA, has passed a law banning smoking (even outdoors) in it's parks. "To protect the childddddrrrrreeeeeennnnnn."

I hate smoking, and have little sympathy for those adicted (apologies to Tom E), and the change in American attitudes towards smoking over the past 40 years is one proof of the ability of education (anti-smoking type) to produce changes.

I think, though, that if it is a legal product, much of the anti-smoking law is crazy.

Let me also through in another slam at the "Big Tobacco" settlement, giving states money to continue anti-smoking stuff. Much of that money has been thrown away on other projects.

If smoking is bad, and it is, let's just ban cigarettes and cigars.

If smoking is bad, and it is, let's just ban cigarettes and cigars and quit the fund raising via tobacco taxes.

Kevin · #2 11-23-2005, 07:57 PM

A step further.. if smoking is bad, and so is alcohol, why are other drugs illegal?

It's one of those inconsistancies that makes logical sense.

-- but it's all about the Benjamins.

Xylochick216 · #3 11-23-2005, 08:20 PM

As someone who is allergic to cigarette smoke, I wish it would be banned in ALL public places. If you want to slowly kill yourself, do it in your own car or home. Don't pollute the air I'm breathing. Even outdoors it gets in the air. That's one of the reasons I loved Australia so much.... no smoke in the air and no nasty cigarette butts all over the place.

Jill1228 · #4 11-23-2005, 10:12 PM

Washington State is following suit. Effective December 8th, there will be no smoking in non native casinos, bars, or 25 feet of a door way

We have a smoking room and that is going to go buh bye. There are gonna be some grouchy assed people at my job (including my boss).

Note: I stopped smoking almost 9 years ago

bcdphie · #5 11-24-2005, 12:31 PM

I find it hard now when I travel, because cigaratte smoking has been banned from restaurants, bars and other public places in Vancouver for a long time now. I hate cigarette smoke, so I feel lucky to live in a place like Vancouver. But, when I go to bars and restaurants abroad, I find it very hard to deal with the smoke.

For example, My husband and I visited a sports bar in Waikiki numerous times to catch the Canucks games, but the bar was always full of smoke, so I found myself having to go outside every now and then to catch a breath of fresh air.

ZTAngel · #6 11-24-2005, 01:14 PM

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Originally posted by bcdphie
But, when I go to bars and restaurants abroad, I find it very hard to deal with the smoke.

Same here. Smoking in restaurants has been banned in Florida for a few years and was banned in Georgia a month after I moved here. I'm not use to it anymore which makes me so much more sensitive to it when I'm around it. They haven't banned it in bars yet so I have a really hard time when I go out.

Coramoor · #7 11-24-2005, 02:14 PM

I don't get why people are so hung up on cig smoke. I don't smoke, but I live with smokers-it doesn't bother me.

I'd be more worried about all the crap we eat before I'd ever worry about cig smoke. Nine out of ten times you are going to die from engineered fruits/veggies, meat pumped up on steroids, and all the artificial flavorings/preserves thats in food today.

kddani · #8 11-24-2005, 09:18 PM

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Originally posted by Coramoor
Nine out of ten times you are going to die from engineered fruits/veggies, meat pumped up on steroids, and all the artificial flavorings/preserves thats in food today.

Cites please? That's an incredibly outrageous and unproven statement.
Cigarettes kill. That's well proven.

ADqtPiMel · #9 11-26-2005, 10:56 AM

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Originally posted by Coramoor
I don't get why people are so hung up on cig smoke. I don't smoke, but I live with smokers-it doesn't bother me.

I'm allergic to it. I'm not hung up on it, I just enjoy breathing.

DeltAlum · #10 11-26-2005, 12:26 PM

Upfront, I've never smoked and I don't like being around cigarette smoke much.

Having said that, here's my question.

Isn't it true that a majority of Americans don't smoke?

If that's the case, couldn't bans on smoking (many of which are voted in by the general public) be considered a matter of majority rule?

33girl · #11 11-26-2005, 02:28 PM

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Originally posted by DeltAlum
Isn't it true that a majority of Americans don't smoke?

If that's the case, couldn't bans on smoking (many of which are voted in by the general public) be considered a matter of majority rule?

The majority of Americans don't take Flonase, so why don't we ban it? The idea of banning something just because the majority doesn't do it is pretty anti-American.

Cigarettes are a LEGAL SUBSTANCE. If the anti-cig Carrie Nations out there think it's so horrible, why haven't they pushed their congressmen to introduce bills to make tobacco illegal?

Kevin · #12 11-26-2005, 04:27 PM

33 -- your use of flonase does not infringe upon my personal enjoyment of whatever situation I'm in. Your simplification ignores the fact that many people don't enjoy being around cigarette smoke -- actually, I don't know one single person that would claim to enjoy it.

I don't remember where I saw this, but there's a saying: Having a smoking section in a restaurant/bar is like having a peeing section in a pool.

Tom Earp · #13 11-26-2005, 05:38 PM

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Originally posted by 33girl
The majority of Americans don't take Flonase, so why don't we ban it? The idea of banning something just because the majority doesn't do it is pretty anti-American.

Cigarettes are a LEGAL SUBSTANCE. If the anti-cig Carrie Nations out there think it's so horrible, why haven't they pushed their congressmen to introduce bills to make tobacco illegal?

Yes they are a Leagal Substance and I sell them to Ajudged Adults.

First off, The Tobacco Companys Pay More Taxes than anyother Business in the USA!

Second, the Facts that Point out Cigaretts Kill is Skewed. When They test Lab Rats and inject them with chemicals, they will get cancer.

If You drink enough water (H2O), they will drown.

See Risk Management Thread.

So, My Questrion is if those @ $40 Billion Taxes are taken out of the economy, where do they get it from?

Well, I guess it is You and Me! How Much Per Capita will that cost each of us?

AchtungBaby80 · #14 11-26-2005, 05:47 PM

Before the smoking ban saying you can't smoke in bars or restaurants went into effect in my city, I didn't think I minded the smoke. I mean, you go to a bar, you expect to come out reeking of smoke, right?

Well, now that the smoking ban has been in place for over a year, I really enjoy not having to wash my hair and clothes to get rid of the smoke smell after I come home from a bar. I realize that it's an inconvenience for smokers because they have to go outside, but they don't have to smoke. The ban was really unpopular around here with some very outspoken individuals, but most of the people I've talked to say they like going out more now that they don't have to deal with all the smoke.

So I would say I'd support a smoking ban in public places.

Xylochick216 · #15 11-26-2005, 05:58 PM

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Originally posted by ktsnake
33 -- your use of flonase does not infringe upon my personal enjoyment of whatever situation I'm in. Your simplification ignores the fact that many people don't enjoy being around cigarette smoke -- actually, I don't know one single person that would claim to enjoy it.

I don't remember where I saw this, but there's a saying: Having a smoking section in a restaurant/bar is like having a peeing section in a pool.

I agree... smoking affects everyone around you. It's proven that second-hand smoke kills. Taking Flonase doesn't affect others around you.