Albert Pooh Holes NL MVP

BobbyTheDon · #1 11-15-2005, 07:49 PM

HBADPi · #2 11-16-2005, 08:01 PM

Bobby has a man crush on Albert...its ok you can admit it

KSigkid · #3 11-16-2005, 11:47 PM

He deserved it (although Derek Lee could make a good case). Thank goodness Andruw Jones didn't win with the year he had. Not that it was a bad year, but there were more deserving candidates.

BobbyTheDon · #4 11-17-2005, 02:32 AM

Pooholes deserved it. He's a great player despite being age 52.

Steeltrap · #5 11-17-2005, 12:17 PM

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Originally posted by KSigkid
He deserved it (although Derek Lee could make a good case). Thank goodness Andruw Jones didn't win with the year he had. Not that it was a bad year, but there were more deserving candidates.

It was a case where the voters weren't fooled by 51 "jonrons" (sic). Andruw's BA was only .267. That's not MVP-like, particularly when you have someone who was hitting .330 and helped his team win a title. Even though los Cardenales de San Luis stumbled against Houston, the MVP, of course, is a regular season reward.

KSigkid · #6 11-17-2005, 12:46 PM

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Originally posted by Steeltrap
It was a case where the voters weren't fooled by 51 "jonrons" (sic). Andruw's BA was only .267. That's not MVP-like, particularly when you have someone who was hitting .330 and helped his team win a title. Even though los Cardenales de San Luis stumbled against Houston, the MVP, of course, is a regular season reward.

He also had his worst defensive season; granted, he's been a great center fielder in other years, but this year he was about average, if not worse.

I wonder if we'll get to a time when voters delve deeper in to the numbers when voting on these awards.

AlphaSigOU · #7 11-17-2005, 02:14 PM

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Originally posted by Steeltrap
It was a case where the voters weren't fooled by 51 "jonrons" (sic). Andruw's BA was only .267. That's not MVP-like, particularly when you have someone who was hitting .330 and helped his team win a title. Even though los Cardenales de San Luis stumbled against Houston, the MVP, of course, is a regular season reward.

Oh yea... that contrived Spanish translation of baseball terminology...

home run = 'jonron'
home plate = 'jon'
hit = pronounced 'heet'
bases loaded = 'cuarto lleno de agua' (literally, 'room full of water')
fielders (left, center, right) = 'jardineros'

BobbyTheDon · #8 11-17-2005, 02:23 PM

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Originally posted by AlphaSigOU
Oh yea... that contrived Spanish translation of baseball terminology...

home run = 'jonron'
home plate = 'jon'
hit = pronounced 'heet'
bases loaded = 'cuarto lleno de agua' (literally, 'room full of water')
fielders (left, center, right) = 'jardineros'

Thank you AlphaSigOU

i was like....

huh? But now I am like

Steeltrap · #9 11-17-2005, 02:23 PM

^^
And don't forget "receptor" for catcher, such as "el receptor venezuelano Ramon Hernandez." I haven't studied Spanish since 1982, and I have lost my ability to really speak it, but I love reading Spanish-language baseball game accounts.

BobbyTheDon · #10 11-17-2005, 02:34 PM

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Originally posted by Steeltrap
^^
And don't forget "receptor" for catcher, such as "el receptor venezuelano Ramon Hernandez." I haven't studied Spanish since 1982, and I have lost my ability to really speak it, but I love reading Spanish-language baseball game accounts.

Steeltrap. You have my favorite!

Do you still live in South OC?

Steeltrap · #11 11-17-2005, 02:44 PM

^^
I still split my time between South OC and San Diego, yes, LOL. But I am a native of SD and claim SD.

BobbyTheDon · #12 11-17-2005, 03:35 PM

^^

Have you been there since the "El Toro" days? lol I grew up down there. Well, not El Toro but Laguna Beach and Laguna Hills.

People down there usually root for every other team except the Dodgers and Angels. However, now there are some people hopping on the Angels bandwagon. Not too many Padres fans though. I remember my best friend was a red Sox fan (he moved to Laguna when he was 8 from Massachusset) and my other good friend was a White Sox fan (he moved to Laguna from Illinois in Jr High....incidentally HIS sister is actually prrreeeettty famous. Especially to alot of these GC people on here)

Anyways. Who is your team Steeltrap? Is it true that chicks dig the long ball? lol

I am impressed with your sports knowledge and I will suck up to you from now on

Steeltrap · #13 11-17-2005, 05:13 PM

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Originally posted by BobbyTheDon
^^

Have you been there since the "El Toro" days? lol I grew up down there. Well, not El Toro but Laguna Beach and Laguna Hills.

People down there usually root for every other team except the Dodgers and Angels. However, now there are some people hopping on the Angels bandwagon. Not too many Padres fans though. I remember my best friend was a red Sox fan (he moved to Laguna when he was 8 from Massachusset) and my other good friend was a White Sox fan (he moved to Laguna from Illinois in Jr High....incidentally HIS sister is actually prrreeeettty famous. Especially to alot of these GC people on here)

Anyways. Who is your team Steeltrap? Is it true that chicks dig the long ball? lol

I am impressed with your sports knowledge and I will suck up to you from now on

I moved to OC in 2000, long after the "El Toro" days. Love Laguna Beach, don't get there as often as I should because of the parking issues.
When the Angels won the Series, I did see a lot of bandwagon folx. Success draws that, LOL.
My teams are the Padres and Yankees (my mother grew up in New York City). I have also liked the A's at times, never the Dodgers.
And funny -- baseball isn't my #1 game. I'm a NBA fan/West Coast Heat fan (love my Shaq Daddy and can't wait until he comes back.)

USCTKE · #14 11-21-2005, 01:26 AM

to get this thread back on the topic of baseball...numbers arent everything...you can have a batting average of .001 and still be valuable to your team. If it werent for Andruw the streak of divisional championships in ATL. would be over. He provided leadership to a team that played 18 or 19 rookies this season and carried the team for a couple of months. Congrats to Puljos...he deserves to have an MVP award sitting on the mantle of his home...but not this season's...Andruw should have been the MVP...if it werent for him I dont know where the Braves would have finished (probably 3rd or 4th in the East)...I think this was a makeup for giving the award to Steroid-head Bonds the past few years when Puljos actually deserved the award

KSigkid · #15 11-21-2005, 10:14 AM

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Originally posted by USCTKE
to get this thread back on the topic of baseball...numbers arent everything...you can have a batting average of .001 and still be valuable to your team. If it werent for Andruw the streak of divisional championships in ATL. would be over. He provided leadership to a team that played 18 or 19 rookies this season and carried the team for a couple of months. Congrats to Puljos...he deserves to have an MVP award sitting on the mantle of his home...but not this season's...Andruw should have been the MVP...if it werent for him I dont know where the Braves would have finished (probably 3rd or 4th in the East)...I think this was a makeup for giving the award to Steroid-head Bonds the past few years when Puljos actually deserved the award

Here's the thing though - Andruw Jones didn't have that great of a year. Take away the home runs, and he wasn't all that great across the board. His less-than-stellar VORP (value above replacement player) illustrates this. Even his defense was down this year. He did one thing better than anyone, and that was to hit home runs. Home runs do not equal MVP.

You can talk about how leadership can make up for a slight lack in numbers, but the gap between Pujols (and Derek Lee, for that matter) and Jones was pretty large this year. What about what Pujols meant to St. Louis? What Lee meant to Chicago?

To me, the biggest injustice has always been when writers waste MVP votes on guys who clearly don't deserve them. You can't just throw away a 10th place vote on a guy, when every point counts. (Yes, I know Baseball Prospectus just did an article on this, but it's been a pet peeve of mine for quite a while). Throwing away votes like that just bugs me.