Greek Life at "New Ivies" (as Newsweek calls them)

[exlurker]

The August 21 - 28 issue of Newsweek has, as part of the Newsweek - Kaplan college information, an article on 25 "new Ivies," selective schools that the article says have great academics, etc.

See: http://www.msnbc.com/id/14325172/

(If the link takes you to MSNBC, then click on their link to Newsweek. In Newsweek's list of contents, you can look for the article title "America's 25 Elite New 'Ivies.' ")

Interestingly, I think at least 15 of the 25 have chapters of national fraternities and / or sororities. (I think a couple have national fraternities, but local sororities or the equivalent.)

The 15 that I believe have national Greek chapters are

Carnegie Mellon
Colgate
Davidson College (fraternities, and "eating houses" for women)
Emory
Kenyon College (national fraternities and local sororities)
U. of Michigan at Ann Arbor
NYU
U. of North Carolina - Chapel HIll
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute ("RPI")
U. of Rochester
Tufts
UCLA
Vanderbilt
U. of Virginia
Washington U. - St. Louis

The others on the list, which I don't think have national Greek life (and some very probably never will) are

Boston College
Bowdoin College
Claremont Colleges (Harvey Mudd and Pomona)
Colby
Macalester
Notre Dame
Olin College of Engineering
Reed College
Rice
Skidmore College

The schools on this Newsweek-Kaplan list might get a boost in applications from the publicity. As far as Greek life goes, it's probably stronger at some of the schools than it is at others. (How's that for waffling?)

Current students and graduates of these schools might want to share their thoughts.

[33girl]

When they say "Ivies" I assume they're talking about the quality of the academics only...

because some of those schools definitely don't have the other things that you think of when you say "Ivy League."

[Deltazeta4ever]

As a proud University of Rochester grad, I can tell you that Greek Life is alive and well. The chapters aren't huge (we were around 50-55 women every year), but their presence is strong.

U of R is a fantastic school and I'm glad it's finally getting some recognition. Now if they could only do something about the weather up there...

[Tom Earp]

Ivies sound like a bad rash?



Everyone has a reason for proposing a survey dont they? Wonder what theirs is?

[macallan25]

I'm surprised they left off Texas.....we have long been considered a Public Ivy.....usually in the same group as Virginia and North Carolina.

[alum]

2007 USNews Rankings (Leaked)
Here are the leaked 2007 USNews Rankings (with change in position from previous year for each school).

1. Princeton 0
2. Harvard -1
3. Yale 0
3. Penn +1
5. Stanford 0
5. MIT +2
7. Duke -2
7. Columbia +2
7. Caltech 0
10. Dartmouth -1
10. WUSTL +1
12. Northwestern 0
13. JHU 0
13.Brown +2
15. Cornell -2
16. Chicago -1
17. Rice 0
18. Emory +2
18. Berkeley +2
20. Vandy -2
21. ND -3
22. Gtown +1
22. CMU 0
24. UVA -1
24.UCLA +1
24.UMICH +1
27. Tufts 0
27. UNC 0
29. Wake -2
29. W&M +2
31. Lehigh 0
31. UCSD 0
31. Brandeis +3
34. USC -4
34. Rochester 0
36. Wisconsin -2
37. NYU 0
37. Case 0
39. BC +1
39. GTech -2
41. Irvine -1
41. RPI +2
41. Illinois +1
44. UCSB +1
44. Washington +1
44. Yeshiva +1
47. PSU +1
48. Davis 0
48. Syracuse +2
50. Tulane -7
50. Florida 0
50. UT +2

[FSUZeta]

alum, can you remember what these rankings are based on?

[alum]

For 2006 edition:
Rank is based on highest overall score which is a composite score of Peer Assessment Score,
Graduation and Retention Rank,
Average Freshman Retention Rate, 2004
Predicted Graduation Rank, 2004
Actual Graduation Rate, 2004
overperformance/underperformance of predicted vs actual
Faculty Resources Rank,
% of classes under 20 in 2004,
% of classes with 50 or more in 2004,
Student/Faculty Ratio 2004,
% of faculty who are full-time 2004,
Selectivity Rank,
SAT 25th-75th percentile 2004,
Freshmen in top 10% of HS Class,
Acceptance Rate 2004,
Financial Resources Rank,
Alumni Giving Rank,
Average Alumni Giving Rate

[alum]

And here are the top national liberal arts colleges....

LACS:

1. Williams
2. Amherst
3. Swarthmore
4 Wellesley
5. Pomona
6. Carleton
7. Bowdoin
8. Haverford/Middlebury
10. CMC/Davidson
12. Wesleyan/Washington and Lee
14. Colgate/Grinnell
16. Hamilton/Vassar
18. Harvey Mudd/Smith
20. Colby
21. Bates/Bryn Mawr/MHC
24. Oberlin
25 Macalester

[tld221]

Originally Posted by exlurker

The August 21 - 28 issue of Newsweek has, as part of the Newsweek - Kaplan college information, an article on 25 "new Ivies," selective schools that the article says have great academics, etc.

See: http://www.msnbc.com/id/14325172/

(If the link takes you to MSNBC, then click on their link to Newsweek. In Newsweek's list of contents, you can look for the article title "America's 25 Elite New 'Ivies.' ")

Interestingly, I think at least 15 of the 25 have chapters of national fraternities and / or sororities. (I think a couple have national fraternities, but local sororities or the equivalent.)

The 15 that I believe have national Greek chapters are

Carnegie Mellon
Colgate
Davidson College (fraternities, and "eating houses" for women)
Emory
Kenyon College (national fraternities and local sororities)
U. of Michigan at Ann Arbor
NYU
U. of North Carolina - Chapel HIll
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute ("RPI")
U. of Rochester
Tufts
UCLA
Vanderbilt
U. of Virginia
Washington U. - St. Louis

The others on the list, which I don't think have natonal Greek life (and some very probably never will) are

Boston College
Bowdoin College
Claremont Colleges (Harvey Mudd and Pomona)
Colby
Macalester
Notre Dame
Olin College of Engineering
Reed College
Rice
Skidmore College

The schools on this Newsweek-Kaplan list might get a boost in applications from the publicity. As far as Greek life goes, it's probably stronger at some of the schools than it is at others. (How's that for waffling?)

Current students and graduates of these schools might want to share their thoughts.

im sure ive mentioned this before...

when i got to NYU, student life in general was kinda the pits, it seemed. my sophomore year, the school admin seemed to try a 180 with all aspects of student life - residential living (being that we have exponentially become a residential school in the past 10-15 years), campus life (creating "campus community) and greek life. over the 4 years i was there, i think its making a big shift - with the students who embrace it. not everyone is gonna get on the "rah rah, sis-koomba" attitude of college BFFs and school spirit.

re: greek life - from the greeks i knew, they said that "back in the day" (early-mid 90s) according to older chapter members that greek life was bigger (surely not as huge as some big greek state schools) and better, and that the late 90s, it kinda fell, due to greeks getting downsized from housing (word is, greeks had their own building, then got downsided to a wing of an upperclass dorm, and now are currently in penthouse suites in another upperclass dorm. (and i think its only 4 organizations that have "houses") makes it hard to party when your "house" is a 3-bedroom suite in chinatown.

greeks @ NYU (those marked with an * are the ones im 99% sure are nat'l and correct me if im wrong and the rest being locals)
alpha Kappa Delta Phi, Historically Asian/Asian American Sorority*
Kappa Phi Lambda, Historically Asian/Asian American Sorority*
Sigma Iota Alpha, Historically Latina/Hispanic Sorority*
Lambda Pi Upsilon, Historically Latina/Hispanic Sorority
Alpha Epsilon Phi*
Alpha Phi Zeta
Alpha Sigma Tau*
Delta Phi Epsilon*
Kappa Psi Delta
Theta Phi Beta
Zeta Sigma Phi
Alpha Epsilon Pi*
Delta Kappa Epsilon
Delta Lambda Phi, colony
Delta Phi
Iota Nu Delta
Lambda Phi Epsilon*
Phi Gamma Delta*
Phi Iota Alpha*
Pi Delta Psi
Pi Kappa Alpha*
Sigma Alpha Mu*
Sigma Phi Epsilon*
Tau Kappa Epsilon*
Zeta Psi

as for NPHC, no chapters on campus. there *was* talk about bringing Alphas to campus, but i dont see it happening. as for having a campus presence, you may see an AKA here or there. Deltas, i see coming up. Kappas, maybe. youre more likely to see an NPHC member as a grad student. Lambda Pi Chi, Lambda Upsilon Lambda, and Sigma Lambda Upsilon are around as well.

I could definitely see greek life on the up-and-up in the next 10 years there.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by tld221

im sure ive mentioned this before...

when i got to NYU, student life in general was kinda the pits, it seemed. my sophomore year, the school admin seemed to try a 180 with all aspects of student life - residential living (being that we have exponentially become a residential school in the past 10-15 years), campus life (creating "campus community) and greek life. over the 4 years i was there, i think its making a big shift - with the students who embrace it. not everyone is gonna get on the "rah rah, sis-koomba" attitude of college BFFs and school spirit.

re: greek life - from the greeks i knew, they said that "back in the day" (early-mid 90s) according to older chapter members that greek life was bigger (surely not as huge as some big greek state schools) and better, and that the late 90s, it kinda fell, due to greeks getting downsized from housing (word is, greeks had their own building, then got downsided to a wing of an upperclass dorm, and now are currently in penthouse suites in another upperclass dorm. (and i think its only 4 organizations that have "houses") makes it hard to party when your "house" is a 3-bedroom suite in chinatown.

greeks @ NYU (those marked with an * are the ones im 99% sure are nat'l and correct me if im wrong and the rest being locals)

alpha Kappa Delta Phi, Historically Asian/Asian American Sorority*
Kappa Phi Lambda, Historically Asian/Asian American Sorority*
Sigma Iota Alpha, Historically Latina/Hispanic Sorority*
Lambda Pi Upsilon, Historically Latina/Hispanic Sorority
Alpha Epsilon Phi*
Alpha Phi Zeta
Alpha Sigma Tau*
Delta Phi Epsilon*
Kappa Psi Delta
Theta Phi Beta
Zeta Sigma Phi
Alpha Epsilon Pi*
Delta Kappa Epsilon
Delta Lambda Phi, colony
Delta Phi
Iota Nu Delta
Lambda Phi Epsilon*
Phi Gamma Delta*
Phi Iota Alpha*
Pi Delta Psi
Pi Kappa Alpha*
Sigma Alpha Mu*
Sigma Phi Epsilon*
Tau Kappa Epsilon*
Zeta Psi

as for NPHC, no chapters on campus. there *was* talk about bringing Alphas to campus, but i dont see it happening. as for having a campus presence, you may see an AKA here or there. Deltas, i see coming up. Kappas, maybe. youre more likely to see an NPHC member as a grad student. Lambda Pi Chi, Lambda Upsilon Lambda, and Sigma Lambda Upsilon are around as well.

I could definitely see greek life on the up-and-up in the next 10 years there.

These three fraternities are NIC members.

Delta Kappa Epsilon
Delta Phi
Zeta Psi

I beleive that Delta Lambda Phi and Iota Nu Delta are inter/national as well.

[irishpipes]

Originally Posted by alum

2007 USNews Rankings (Leaked)
Here are the leaked 2007 USNews Rankings (with change in position from previous year for each school).

1. Princeton 0
2. Harvard -1
3. Yale 0
3. Penn +1
5. Stanford 0
5. MIT +2
7. Duke -2
7. Columbia +2
7. Caltech 0
10. Dartmouth -1
10. WUSTL +1
12. Northwestern 0
13. JHU 0
13.Brown +2
15. Cornell -2
16. Chicago -1
17. Rice 0
18. Emory +2
18. Berkeley +2
20. Vandy -2
21. ND -3
22. Gtown +1
22. CMU 0
24. UVA -1
24.UCLA +1
24.UMICH +1
27. Tufts 0
27. UNC 0
29. Wake -2
29. W&M +2
31. Lehigh 0
31. UCSD 0
31. Brandeis +3
34. USC -4
34. Rochester 0
36. Wisconsin -2
37. NYU 0
37. Case 0
39. BC +1
39. GTech -2
41. Irvine -1
41. RPI +2
41. Illinois +1
44. UCSB +1
44. Washington +1
44. Yeshiva +1
47. PSU +1
48. Davis 0
48. Syracuse +2
50. Tulane -7
50. Florida 0
50. UT +2

Seeing Wisconsin on that list is very surprising. They must have cleaned up their act in recent years. Growing up, they were the tri-state area's big party school. Anyone who could read and/or write could get in.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by irishpipes

Seeing Wisconsin on that list is very surprising. They must have cleaned up their act in recent years. Growing up, they were the tri-state area's big party school. Anyone who could read and/or write could get in.

It's the US News rankings. They are basically useless.

[kddani]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/13/tim....tm/index.html

Made me think of this thread.

[PhoenixAzul]

Originally Posted by kddani

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/13/tim....tm/index.html

Made me think of this thread.

wow...good read. Sort of reminded me of why I chose to go to Otterbein.