Camel, after rape, must die, says Islamic law

[hoosier]

Cameline Honor Killing
"A man has been sentenced to three months in jail after pleading guilty to charges of bestiality," the Gulf News reports from the emirate of Ras Al Khaimah:

A court official said the Bangladeshi, who worked as a driver, had been spotted going into his employer's barn on a regular basis.

His employer became suspicious as his duties did not involve him dealing with animals. . . .

The official said the driver confessed to police that he used to have sex with one particular camel. . . .

The official added the man told the prosecution that he had fallen in love with the camel and had sex with the animal.

This sort of thing goes on in America too; ... But what's shocking about the Emirati story is that, whereas the man is getting three months in jail, his victim is to suffer a much worse punishment: "The camel involved in the case is to be put down in accordance with Islamic law." Here is a culture that treats its camels as badly as it treats its women.

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[RACooper]

Hoosier go bash other cultures somewhere else... old news, and yes in the US there are also sex laws that demand the death of an animal in besiality cases (but only if the animal and offender are male) - look it up in the weird sex-laws online.... and yet that doesn't inspire me to slag all of the US because of some silly law now does it?

[Rudey]

Don't worry. They'll probably let him go soon and then the village elders will proceed to gang rape the camel's family while the President refuses to let the camels leave the country.

-Rudey

Originally posted by hoosier
Cameline Honor Killing
"A man has been sentenced to three months in jail after pleading guilty to charges of bestiality," the Gulf News reports from the emirate of Ras Al Khaimah:

A court official said the Bangladeshi, who worked as a driver, had been spotted going into his employer's barn on a regular basis.

His employer became suspicious as his duties did not involve him dealing with animals. . . .

The official said the driver confessed to police that he used to have sex with one particular camel. . . .

The official added the man told the prosecution that he had fallen in love with the camel and had sex with the animal.

This sort of thing goes on in America too; ... But what's shocking about the Emirati story is that, whereas the man is getting three months in jail, his victim is to suffer a much worse punishment: "The camel involved in the case is to be put down in accordance with Islamic law." Here is a culture that treats its camels as badly as it treats its women.

- for more great international news, I recommend Opinion Journal (get it daily in your email).

[moe.ron]

hoosier, how do you feel about Cak Nur's philosophy of Islam and the state?

Honour killing isn't part of Islam. In most cases, the perpetrator of the killing is done outside of Islamic law. Honour killing is unheard of in Southeast Asia and West African Muslim nations. However, it is very relevant in South Asia and the Middle East.

The execution of princess Misha'al of Saudi Arabia is an example of extre judiciary example of honor killing. Instead of the princess being brought before the judicial system, and having four witnesses of good charactes, which would be almost impossible to prove since these conducts are done in private.

hoosier, can you tell me explicitly where in Islamic law that says the Camel must die? Cut and paste would be fine.

[so damn cool]

I wish I was the camel.

[FHwku]

Originally posted by moe.ron

The execution of princess Misha'al of Saudi Arabia is an example of extre judiciary example of honor killing. Instead of the princess being brought before the judicial system, and having four witnesses of good charactes, which would be almost impossible to prove since these conducts are done in private.

Death of a Princess

[Rudey]

Originally posted by moe.ron
hoosier, how do you feel about Cak Nur's philosophy of Islam and the state?

Honour killing isn't part of Islam. In most cases, the perpetrator of the killing is done outside of Islamic law. Honour killing is unheard of in Southeast Asia and West African Muslim nations. However, it is very relevant in South Asia and the Middle East.

The execution of princess Misha'al of Saudi Arabia is an example of extre judiciary example of honor killing. Instead of the princess being brought before the judicial system, and having four witnesses of good charactes, which would be almost impossible to prove since these conducts are done in private.

hoosier, can you tell me explicitly where in Islamic law that says the Camel must die? Cut and paste would be fine.

That is your interpretation of Islam. There are no absolutes in religion. Nowhere in the Qu'ran does it say "Thou shalt blow yourself up" or "Thou shalt fly a plane into buildings", but there are interpretations and fatwas that have allowed for that. Premarital and extramarital sex are punishable, as you say, if you have 4 witnesses. That there shows that honor killings can be a part of Islam. The fact that it is not a rare occurence is further proof that many people have this interpretation of Islam. But then again Sunnis don't believe Shites are true muslims either.

Traditional interpretations of Islamic law prescribe severe punishments for zina' (extramarital sex) by both men and women; premarital sex may be punished by up to 100 lashes, while adultery is punishable by stoning. The act must however be attested by at least four male witnesses of good character, punishments are reserved to the legal authorities, and false accusations are themselves punished severely. The term "honor killing" refers specifically to extra-legal punishment by the family against the woman, and as such is forbidden by the sharia.

The execution of the Saudi Arabian princess Misha'al is a prime example of an honor killing in that the execution did not follow any Islamic court proceeding but was ordered directly by her grandfather.

Interpretations of these rules vary. Some Arabs regard it as their right under both tradition and sharia (by the process of al-urf), though this contradicts the views of the vast majority of Islamic scholars (fuqaha). Ayatollah Ali Khamenei of Iran has condemned the practice as "un-Islamic", though the punishment under Iranian law remains lenient. In Indonesia, the world's largest Muslim country, honor killings are unknown, as also in Muslim parts of West Africa. According to Sheikh Atiyyah Saqr, former head of the al-Azhar University Fatwa Committee (one of the oldest and most prestigious in the Muslim world):

"Like all other religions, Islam strictly prohibits murder and killing without legal justification. Allah, Most High, says, “Whoso slayeth a believer of set purpose, his reward is Hell for ever. Allah is wroth against him and He hath cursed him and prepared for him an awful doom.” (An-Nisa’: 93) The so-called “honor killing” is based on ignorance and disregard of morals and laws, which cannot be abolished except by disciplinary punishments."[5]
In Pakistan, when a bill proposing to strengthen the law against "Honor Killing" was defeated in Parliament, March 2, 2005, the government allied with the Islamist opposition to decide explicitly that the bill was "un-Islamic" (BBC)

Even Hamas ordered a woman to become a suicide bomber or suffer an honor killing.

-Rudey

[honeychile]

FWIW, one of sorority sisters was killed in an "honor" killing - by her husband. I'll search to see if I can find the link, as I know that I've told the story before.

[Kevlar281]

What no camel toe?

[Rudey]

Originally posted by honeychile
FWIW, one of sorority sisters was killed in an "honor" killing - by her husband. I'll search to see if I can find the link, as I know that I've told the story before.

Did an Imam or any Muslim leader punish the people that did it?

-Rudey

[CSUSigEp]

damn camels have fallen off. First Joe Camel died of lung cancer, now this??

[moe.ron]

Originally posted by Rudey
[B]Interpretations of these rules vary. Some Arabs regard it as their right under both tradition and sharia (by the process of al-urf), though this contradicts the views of the vast majority of Islamic scholars (fuqaha). Ayatollah Ali Khamenei of Iran has condemned the practice as "un-Islamic", though the punishment under Iranian law remains lenient. In Indonesia, the world's largest Muslim country, honor killings are unknown, as also in Muslim parts of West Africa.[B]

Yes it's my interpretations, according to my culture, which is true to me. islam is a very decentralized religion. Different religion interpret it according to its own history and region. Honor killing is unheard of in Indonesia.

[honeychile]

Originally posted by Rudey
Did an Imam or any Muslim leader punish the people that did it?

-Rudey

Not unless you consider being made into an example of "how a good Muslim husband controls his wife" being punished.

[Lindz928]

Originally posted by honeychile
Not unless you consider being made into an example of "how a good Muslim husband controls his wife" being punished.

That is so sad. I would definately like to hear the story if you can find the link.

It makes me sad to think that in this day, there are beliefs and places that still consider women to be second class citizens.

[honeychile]

I'm using my pledge sister's Muslim/assumed name, as her family wants to stay in contact with her sons.

Sarai met a man from Malaysia while in college, and they became engaged. He asked her to meet his family, and bought her a plane ticket to Malaysia. Once she got there (and I'm not going to pretend that I know the complete details here), she was told that she couldn't leave Malaysia without a visa, and to get a visa, she had to be married, to get married, she had to convert to Islam. They got married. Her new husband was a broadcaster, very well known, and they had a very luxurious lifestyle. Townhouse in Kuala Lampur, a MAJOR house in the "suburbs", a country house in Viet Nam, several nice cars - the whole package. Yet, she felt the constrictions, and she felt that she had been tricked into the marriage - even though she loved her husband.

They had a son, and at that time, they agreed that an American education was far superior to that of Malaysia, so they would buy a house in America, so their son (and future children) could go to Amerian schools, with Sarai with them. They had three more children, but one died young.

Fast forward to when the son turned six. Sarai asked when they were going to go house hunting, so their son could start school in America. The husband announced that he had changed his mind, and they were going to remain in Malaysia. At this point, she had not seen her family in 8 years. They argued, and at some point, he locked her in a room with no windows. The next day, with the "holy men" present, he executed her. He is considered a hero, a real family man.

As I said, I cannot provide the particulars, as her family wants to maintain contact with Sarai's children. I spoke to her a couple times while she was still alive & in Malaysia, and she made it clear that her husband only used his religion when it was to his advantage - he had alcohol & other things not permitted by the Quran. Towards her end, her letters became more and more urgent, until the last one, which was smuggled out. Along the very edges of this small letters, she had written in code: "Don't EVER let anything come between you and American citizenship! You don't know what it's like, to not even be able to go to the Embassy for help, just because the country you're in doesn't consider you an American anymore!" She said more, but some of it is private.

That's the gist of it. Our chapter's Spirit Award is named after her, as Sarai was one of the lovable & beautiful young women most of us ever met. If one person is saved from harm by the telling of her story, I will feel justified.