Needing some opinions

[cashmoney]

I wanted to know what some of you (men & women) think about all this.....


Lately me and my friends have been going crazy...and its because of women. Each of us who have been/are involved with a woman are being drove to the brink of craziness. Its like none of us can trust these girls and its for good reason. So, here's a little info on whats going on right now:


We'll start off with my friend Ken. He's been dating this girl we'll call Brigette for about 10 months. Now the first 3 months of their relationship Ken cheated on Brigette because he doesnt trust girls and thought she was doing the same thing. he had his reasons, ex-boyfrineds calling, shadiness about where she's been or what she was doing...whatever. The fact that she's really hot didnt help matters either. Now, brigette tells him crazy things like she wants to get married to him, have a family with him, he's the one guy that she thinks was really ment for him in life and anything else you could imagine. Ken really is in love with girl and wants to get married to her. But, he has trust issues. His last long term girlfriend beofre brigette, he dated her for 4 years. he wasnt the best to her. Basically she was a housewife material girl and he turned her into a whoe...made her have threesomes, she'd come home from work and he'd make her stripp nakked and give him oral sex as soon as she walked in the door...that type of stuff. Well, one day he came home from a business trip 2 days early when she wasnt home and he checked the bed....he found semen stains on the comfortor and sheets that werent his. Later he found out she was cheating on him and actually met the guy.

Fast forward back to brigette now. Well, he's been so burnt in the past he's now like a CIA agent in the making. He checks up on her like you wouldnt imagine. He sawed off the edges of her blinds to her bedroom window so he can see in and see if she's in bed with another guy or if she's really doing what she claims she's doing. He also set up voice-activated tape recorders all around her room so he can tape her conversations in case she's in there with a guy. He even went so far as to set up a path down the side of her house to her bedroom window to where no one could hear him walking by....like he stratigically placed twigs where it didnt look liek there was a path and place bricks so he could tip-toe on them so he didnt step on dried up grass. Even i know he did some crazy isht for anyone. He even spies on her when she's at work because he knows this guy at her work thats been trying to get her and he knows she thinks he's cute. And brigette has no idea about any of this. When brigette does things he thinks is shady he wont sleep for like 3 days and stays busy trying to keep tabs on her. So, thats Ken for you.

Now, here is Brad's story. Brad dated this girl for 7 years, i call her dirty Colleen. This girl has done him so wrong in the past. Cheated on him many times...and not just one night stands...like they were outright affairs. One time she even gave head to a guy in the parking lot of a club because it was a dare, and she did it right before she left to come home to him. I know this because the guy she did it to was friends of another friend of mine who was there when it happened. Well, they broke up several times over the years but always got back together. They even lived together several times. Most recently they built a 2 story house together and right before they got the house Brad busted her cheating on him again. Thats when he kicked her out. Now, Brad is just as crazy as Ken...and its because Colleen made him go crazy. Like Brad had to set up his own version of Spyware and infected her computer inorder to keep tabs on her. He found out her email password as well as the password to the guys she cheated on him with. Now, Brad also got into her cell phone records.....like he found a way to get up to date cell phone records of her account...up to 5 minutes of the last call. He got the numbers, the length of the call and the times of the call not to mention the names and adresses of the guys she called and who called her. And yes, ken stole this idea from brad and he did it to brigette as well. Keep in mind as crazy as this sound Colleen said the same things to Brad that brigette said to Ken...and they even went so far as to build a house together and were trying to have a baby.

Now, here's Billy's story (one of my roomates). Billy has been dating this girl named Michelle. Now, Michelle is the girl Ken cheated on Brigette with. She's really hot as well. Now, Michelle is still currently married but seperated and in the process of getting a divorce. Michelle never had her wild streak because she got married when she was 18 years old....she's 26 now. Her husband turned her into a whoe as well, he made her do all kinds of crazy stuff......stuff with bottles and fruit, dirty sanchez type of stuff and donkey punching things. Well, given Michelle's past Billy has been really sketched out. The girl had sex with 3 of our friends before her and billy got together....one of them being ken who might be one of the dirtiest people I know as well as one of my old frat brothers from UF who's now one of the biggest drug dealers in Jacksonville Beach. She hangs out with club owners and people of that nature when she's out with her girls.....and all her girls cheat on their husbands/boyfriends. Well, because of her past Billy checks all her phone records,calls,names,convo length, times and he's even accused her of cheating. Now, Michelle tells billy the same exact things that brigette and Colleen told Ken and Brad......the same exact stuff. They have broken up 3 times in 4 months because of these issues. Billy spies on her when she says she's at work when he doesnt think she's telling the truth. He's even busted her a couple of times saying she was at work when she was actually somewhere else because 2 of our friends saw her at the beach. Billy is in love wiht this girl and wants to marry her, too.....just as she claims she wants to be wiht him for good. The girl has even introduced him to her entire family/extended family and he's met her soon to be ex-husband. So, thats billy's story.

Now, here's Travis's story (my other temp roomie/big brother/old roomie from gainesville). He's dating this girl named Erica.
Now, we've known Erica for along time...since back in Gainesville. Erica claims she is in love with Travis. Yet, she lives with another guy named Chad (i call him gay chad) who is also her photographer. She says to Travis the same crap that all the other girls said to Ken, Brad and Billy. Now, Travis wont have girlfriends anymore....and for good reasons. He's an NFL player and has been done wrong by many girls in the past. Well, he thinks Erica is cheating on him...he took a chance by dating her. They've been off and on for 4 years. Erica has done a lot wrong in their relationship. She called him up one night while she was laying in bed with the guy she's living with and wanted him to come pick her up. He's about to leave and go play in NFL europe for the spring and he doesnt trust her being faithfull.....so what does he do?? He gets Fred Taylor, jax jags running back, to keep tabs on her. Like he actually sends other guys to go hit on her and try to pick her up inorder to see if she'll cheat on him. And thats Travis's story.

Well, here's my story...I was involved with this girl after my breakup with my ex-fiance. This girl told me all kinds of stuff....the same exact stuff that was told to Travis,Ken, Brad and Billy. Well, I had a feeling she was being shady. In fact, I busted her in so many lies it was ridiculous. This girl told me she wanted to get a house with me and actually looked at houses for us, have kids, said she loved me, thought we were ment for each other, soulmates and everything else you could imagine. Yet, I busted her in so many unforgivable lies. The first time I busted her I dealt with it by having me, travis and ken have a 6 some with 3 other girls. I justified it by telling myself she probably did the same thing. Well, after this girl broke my heart a number of times, chewed it up and spit it back in my face...i broke it off with her. Yet, she still calls me and tells me she cant handle not having me in her life and misses me everyday and that if she cant have me she wont have anyone. She cries on the phone to me. Well, I dindt believe anything she told me after being pissed on several times. With all the stuff she told me I started going crazy. I hired 2 private investigators recently to find out eveyrthing about her possible. I mean, I'm wanting to know what kind of crust this girl has hidden up her buttcrack if you catch my drift. The girl told me so many lies I have no idea whats true and whats not. In another week or two i'll know absolutly everything about this girl....like her ss number, her families adress, her medical records (because I think she lied to me about a medical condition), where she was born, how much money she has in her bank account (i found out she had a friend break into my bank account and found out how much money I had in my savings account a while back), I'll know her email password, cell phone records with the names and adresses of the people she talks to.....not to mention I'll even know how much debt she has accumulated in credit card debt. Anyhow, i told her all this last night and that if she wanted she could keep lying to me but I'll know everything in a week or two. She told me I was acting "all stalker like" and said it was fucked up.....but yet, I know for a fact she did the same thing to me by getting into my bank account and cell phone password ( i just changed my cell phone provider). She was pissed for a few minutes after I told her everything I was doing but then she said she was sorry for everything and that she did to me and wanted to make things right and be with me. She told me, though, that I didnt love her. i told her that if I didnt I wouldnt have spent 1,500$ getting all her info and that I would care less about her after I busted her in the first set of lies. However, i think it turned her on that I would go to such lengths for her....despite her saying we're all crazy. She asked me what i exactly wanted from her and I told her....thats when she told me "Lets do it, then."

So, what do some of you think about all this? I mean, are we actually crazy or is the way we're acting understandable due to all the isht these girls are telling us? I wasnt like this before this one girl...and neither were my boys. My view on it is, I'm not going to be taken for a fool and I wont go out like a bitch. This girl messed with my head really bad and I wont let her be one step ahead of me. She thinks she's smarter than me and a hell of a lot slicker....but she has no idea how J. Edgar hoover I can get on a girl. By the time I'm done she wont be able to get anything by me. I know from the outside it all sounds kind of crazy/creepy/insane/pyscho on both ends.....but try to look at it from both ends when giving your thoughts.


Thanks,
Cashmoney

[Coramoor]

...I think each and everyone one of you is nuts...

First rule-If you have a reason to be suspicous, then you have a reason to be suspicious. Something clued you in-trust your gut.

Second-If I thought I had to keep tabs on a girl all the time just to know she wasn't cheating on me...then she probably is cheating on me and it's time to end it.

Third-If I ever got into her e-mail or phone records or spent money on a private detective to keep tabs on her....drop her. Probably for your own safety at that-she could get the law on your ass.

Fourth-Once a cheater always a cheater.

[sugar and spice]

Originally posted by Coramoor
...I think each and everyone one of you is nuts...

Word.

Also, I always think it's funny when guys freak out because their girlfriends might be cheating when they themselves are getting it on with four girls at the same time. The golden rule, it's a great thing.

[cashmoney]

Originally posted by Coramoor
...I think each and everyone one of you is nuts...

First rule-If you have a reason to be suspicous, then you have a reason to be suspicious. Something clued you in-trust your gut.

Second-If I thought I had to keep tabs on a girl all the time just to know she wasn't cheating on me...then she probably is cheating on me and it's time to end it.

Third-If I ever got into her e-mail or phone records or spent money on a private detective to keep tabs on her....drop her. Probably for your own safety at that-she could get the law on your ass.

Fourth-Once a cheater always a cheater.

Well, in Ken's case he hasnt caught brigette cheating...yet. Either she has to be the slickest girl out there and has to be having sex in her car or in the bathroom at work because there's no other place she can do it that Ken wont find out...or else she's not cheating. But I think their problems lie in the fact that they've both met other people that each of them has fucked in the past, only brigette only knows about 2 of them. The other girls she met she didnt know them and Ken had sex. Even Michelle, billy's GF, wont tell brigette he was cheating with her....but Billy knows. The guys Ken has met that brigette has banged.....ken was an asshole to and made fun of them in their face. In fact, he even met one of the guy's dad and actually had lunch with him posing as a potential client and then told the guy about it and then tried to use the fact that he knows his family in case he ever wanted to take a stroll down memory lane and try to bang brigette again.

In my case, I dont see it as being crazy when I go and find out everything little thing there is to know about the girl who says she wants to settle down with me. Plenty of married people keep secerts from their spouses. Brad put the private detective thing in my mind when I told him how much she really lied to me. Ken told me to leave no room for her to lie....that if I knew everything then she couldnt lie and if she tried to lie agian I'd be one step ahead of her. Billy said I ought to break into her bank account and make a fund transfer of 1$ just to let her ass know I was there, while Travis said I could always keep it a secert and then use her lies agianst her whenever I f*ck up.

[cashmoney]

Originally posted by sugar and spice
Also, I always think it's funny when guys freak out because their girlfriends might be cheating when they themselves are getting it on with four girls at the same time. The golden rule, it's a great thing.

Why is that funny? Society, unfortunately, has double standards for women.

[cashmoney]

Oh, and if this helps in your opinions.....


We arent little college studs anymore. Ken is 27,Billy is 28,Travis is 26, Brad is 25 and I'm 25. We're grown ass men.

[sugar and spice]

Originally posted by cashmoney
Why is that funny? Society, unfortunately, has double standards for women.

Heh.

Maybe your society. If you tried to tell anybody that I know that cheating is okay for guys but not for women, they'd laugh your ass out of town. There are plenty of double standards that are still alive and well, but I think the "infidelity is only acceptable for men" argument became socially unacceptable circa 1950. Maybe not in all parts of the world?

Seriously -- treat people how you want to be treated. It's not that tough.

Three thoughts:

1) Stop expecting girls to be hoes with you and prudes with everyone else. It doesn't work that way. If you want a good girl, don't look for a ho. (And don't BE a ho -- hoes attract other hoes.)
2) Stop stalking these girls. It's a) straight-up psychotic of you and will probably only end in restraining orders, and b) a huge waste of time and energy. Why not just date somebody trustworthy in the first place?
3) Stop trying to date girls you meet on the internet . . .


ETA: And if you were actually "grown ass men," you wouldn't be pulling this high school stalking isht in regards to these girls.

[cashmoney]

Originally posted by sugar and spice
Heh.

Maybe your society. If you tried to tell anybody that I know that cheating is okay for guys but not for women, they'd laugh your ass out of town. There are plenty of double standards that are still alive and well, but I think the "infidelity is only acceptable for men" argument became socially unacceptable circa 1950. Maybe not in all parts of the world?

Seriously -- treat people how you want to be treated. It's not that tough.

Three thoughts:

1) Stop expecting girls to be hoes with you and prudes with everyone else. It doesn't work that way. If you want a good girl, don't look for a ho. (And don't BE a ho -- hoes attract other hoes.)
2) Stop stalking these girls. It's a) straight-up psychotic of you and will probably only end in restraining orders, and b) a huge waste of time and energy. Why not just date somebody trustworthy in the first place?
3) Stop trying to date girls you meet on the internet . . .

You're crazy. We're not stalking these girls. And your girl is supposed to be a hoe with you and no one else. None of us can handle having a girl that isnt a hoe in the bed...it gets boring. We look at it like...if you already have a freak, you dont have to turn her into one thus eliminating the possiblity of her cheating later on. And no, in my case it isnt the girl you're thinking about. Trying to go after some girl online is about as dumb as a retard applying to an Ivy League School. Internet girls are much more worse than real life ones.


ETA: A good example of a girl that we think a girl should already be like at our age is OTW.

[cashmoney]

Originally posted by sugar and spice
ETA: And if you were actually "grown ass men," you wouldn't be pulling this high school stalking isht in regards to these girls.

But don't women do the same thing when they think we're cheating? Isnt that why we, as guys, are always supposed to slick?

[mu_agd]

Originally posted by cashmoney
But don't women do the same thing when they think we're cheating? Isnt that why we, as guys, are always supposed to slick?

I've never heard of any girl doing anything like that.

And when I got the feeling that a guy I was dating was cheating on me, I called him out on it and I was unsure whether or not to believe him or not, I broke him up with him. No trying to find out passwords and information necessary.

[cashmoney]

Originally posted by mu_agd
I've never heard of any girl doing anything like that.

And when I got the feeling that a guy I was dating was cheating on me, I called him out on it and I was unsure whether or not to believe him or not, I broke him up with him. No trying to find out passwords and information necessary.

So you're saying its better to just accuse someone of cheating before you actually know whether or not they're doing it...even if you're in love with them?



And yea, chicks can do some pretty sneaky things. One girl set me up to see if I was going to cheat on her by having two fo her friends ask me to have a threesome with them. I said yea and then she found out about it.

[ZTAngel]

If you don't trust someone, then why stay with them? It takes a lot more effort and stress to stalk your significant other or hack into their email/cell phone records. Plus it's illegal, creepy, and kinda psycho. If you're at the point where you feel that you need to keep tabs on your SO at all times, maybe you should just break up with them and go find someone that you trust. Love = Trust so how can these people say they love someone if they don't even trust them? It's like their lives have become so consumed with tracking down their SO and making sure she's not cheating. I think it's time for them to get a life that doesn't revolve around making sure their SO is remaining faithful.

[mu_agd]

Originally posted by cashmoney
So you're saying its better to just accuse someone of cheating before you actually know whether or not they're doing it...even if you're in love with them?



And yea, chicks can do some pretty sneaky things. One girl set me up to see if I was going to cheat on her by having two fo her friends ask me to have a threesome with them. I said yea and then she found out about it.

i had heard some stuff, i asked him about it, he was shaky in his response and i just didn't feel i could trust it or him and why be with someone i couldn't trust? yes, i did love him, but even with denying it i still wasn't sure what to believe and that was eating at me. he knew i had a hard time trusting people, it's not something that comes easy to me, and i couldn't be sure that what he said was the truth or not just by things he said or that i had heard. why put myself through all of that when i could just make a break then before i got myself into the mess even further. Yes, it was hard on me, i was so hurt, but i got over it.

[cashmoney]

Originally posted by ZTAngel
If you don't trust someone, then why stay with them? It takes a lot more effort and stress to stalk your significant other or hack into their email/cell phone records. Plus it's illegal, creepy, and kinda psycho. If you're at the point where you feel that you need to keep tabs on your SO at all times, maybe you should just break up with them and go find someone that you trust. Love = Trust so how can these people say they love someone if they don't even trust them? It's like their lives have become so consumed with tracking down their SO and making sure she's not cheating. I think it's time for them to get a life that doesn't revolve around making sure their SO is remaining faithful.

Yea, but how do you know who to trust and when to trust them and how much trust to give them? Take Rachel for example....you know her. I trusted her more than any other girl...and look where that got me. Even you know that I busted her flirting online with another dude, but I let it slide thinking I did the same thing with DGqueen17 on here. I didnt persue that matter any further and I quit going to that website she was on....i never even told her i knew it. I gave everything to that girl and and she pissed on my trust. She tried to make it better but once its broke its broke. I even gave her a 2nd chance and she pissed that one away. Its liek I'm finding that if you trust a girl and dont do the things we're doing right now.....the only thing that happens is girls take you for a fool and screw you over. The only time they remain faithful is when you act like you dont care......its a front you put up but all the while you're keepin tabs on them.


ETA: I know for a fact most guys keep tabs on their girl...maybe not hiring private detectives to keep tabs on them, but still keeping tabs does happen more than most women realize.

[cashmoney]

BTW, just to give you all an idea of the types of girls I'm talking about...here's Travis's girl.


http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=84775



Maybe now you can see why he is going crazy.