Hard core Risk Management peeps

[hoosier]

All our Hard core Risk Management peeps should take a look at Wednesday's (1/25) USA Today.

There's a huge article about campus deaths, including some unknown details on the Chi Psi - Colo death.

One interesting note: UVa surveyed and found that the average bedtime for students was 2:31 a.m., so they started keeping libraries, cafeterias, coffee shops on campus open so people would have a non-alcoholic place to go.

[DeltAlum]

"Many deadly decisions are made by underdeveloped brains, experts say. Research has shown that "the brain continues to develop after 18," says Denis McCarthy, a University of Missouri-Columbia researcher. "We used to think it was done. But a lot of the areas that are still developing have to do with making judgment calls."

--USA Today, January 25, 2006

Contributing: Tom Ankner, Tristan Coffelt, Ruth Fogle, Breanne Gilpatrick, Mark Hannan Jr., Ray Hicks, Rachel Hollon, Kate Holloway, Ji Hyun Lee, Mary Beth Marklein, Marissa Newhall, Susan O'Brian and Karen Stephanites


There's some good, and some scary and disturbing information here:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...hs-cover_x.htm

College students think they're really adults and on top of things...

Not always.

Good article. Thanks for the Post.

[valkyrie]

The solution is simple -- either teach kids the skills they need so they can go to college and survive, or keep them locked away at home until their brains are developed.

[DeltAlum]

Originally posted by valkyrie
The solution is simple -- either teach kids the skills they need so they can go to college and survive, or keep them locked away at home until their brains are developed.

Well, maybe the second makes sense. My Sophomore or Junior English Prof -- a really good teacher -- once told us that the only real reason for college, as it was then, was to keep some of us out of the job market for four years.

He thought that everyone should be required to go out and work, do military service (not a popular thought in 1968 or so), or be in some kind of national service like the Peace Corps.

After that time, he said, we would have more maturity, better time management skills and maybe even an idea of what we wanted to be when we grew up.

We all wrote that off -- but it made an impression on me at least.

Who knows, maybe he was right.

ETA: You can "teach" kids until you're blue in the face, but if they aren't mature enough to make good decisions -- which is really the important point in the study for me -- it really won't help.

That is spoken as a father who had three kids who managed to live through their teens -- somewhat surprisingly in one case.

[Tom Earp]

DeltAlum, You think You can teach Your Kids until You are blue in the face but never really know them!

I agree with the fact that 18 year old people are presumed to be Adults but, are they. Their Brain is Still growing, well, I never figured out when the brain does not still grow.

Kids leave the Nest and parental I told You to do it this way. They are on their own for the first time and Know They Know Best.

We have all gone through this stage havent We? Hell, I was in a poor family money wise, but good parents never the less and worked starting at a very young age. Never cut grass or threw newspapers, I mean a job.

Todays give me generation have a lot less direction than we did in the 40-50s than the 80-90s.

At 18 when I went to College, I thought I was grown up and worked hard to do what I was taught, but there are a lot of distractions when away from home and those that say A No!

While We have Young Semi Adults who join GLOs, the idea is for the Older Students (19-21) to give the direction that is need ed. If it is not there, then they do get into trouble and We suddenly have the Risk Management Problems that We as Greeks Have!

[Coramoor]

Originally posted by valkyrie
The solution is simple -- either teach kids the skills they need so they can go to college and survive, or keep them locked away at home until their brains are developed.

How about letting the kids weed themselves out?

If you are dumb enough to try and climb on top of a roof after drinking a fifth of liquor....well, perhaps it is better for us all when you fall.

I don't think we should sue frats and sororities for that sort of thing. I say celebrate because they are culling the human race of the stupid.

[frathole]

I would wager a lot of people out of college die of stupider things than getting blackout and falling off a roof. Google search the Darwin Awards.

[saetex]

Originally posted by Coramoor
How about letting the kids weed themselves out?

If you are dumb enough to try and climb on top of a roof after drinking a fifth of liquor....well, perhaps it is better for us all when you fall.

I don't think we should sue frats and sororities for that sort of thing. I say celebrate because they are culling the human race of the stupid.

go tell that to the kids parents you moron. "no ma'am i didn't feel like stopping him because i thought his stupidity induced death would help society."

[DeltAlum]

Originally posted by saetex
go tell that to the kids parents you moron. "no ma'am i didn't feel like stopping him because i thought his stupidity induced death would help society."

I might not have said it in quite this way, but concur with the message.

[33girl]

Originally posted by frathole
I would wager a lot of people out of college die of stupider things than getting blackout and falling off a roof. Google search the Darwin Awards.

That certainly is the truth.

[sugar and spice]

No offense to your professor, DeltAlum, but his way of looking at things is pretty naive. I have friends in the military, and they have their own problems with maturity -- they have trouble relating to people in adult ways or making adult decisions because they spent four years doing exactly what they were told, a lot of them struggle with immediate gratification versus what would be beneficial in the long-term because, for a while, they were in a situation where they HAD to focus on the short-term. The military breeds its own problems with emotional maturity. (And I say that with love because a lot of these people are still really good kids -- but that's the problem; most of them are still just KIDS even at 23 or 24.) I also work with a lot of people who went straight into the work world before college or instead of it, and as a rule, they aren't any more mature than their college counterparts. Those kids in the military and those who spent the years from 18-22 working are still just as dumb as the kids in college, and they're drinking, doing drugs, and doing stupid stuff just as often.

[saetex]

Originally posted by sugar and spice
No offense to your professor, DeltAlum, but his way of looking at things is pretty naive. I have friends in the military, and they have their own problems with maturity -- they have trouble relating to people in adult ways or making adult decisions because they spent four years doing exactly what they were told, a lot of them struggle with immediate gratification versus what would be beneficial in the long-term because, for a while, they were in a situation where they HAD to focus on the short-term. The military breeds its own problems with emotional maturity. (And I say that with love because a lot of these people are still really good kids -- but that's the problem; most of them are still just KIDS even at 23 or 24.) I also work with a lot of people who went straight into the work world before college or instead of it, and as a rule, they aren't any more mature than their college counterparts. Those kids in the military and those who spent the years from 18-22 working are still just as dumb as the kids in college, and they're drinking, doing drugs, and doing stupid stuff just as often.

I don't agree with you at all. yeah. there are kids that are going to be people that drink and do drugs, shit i'm guilty, but you will never convince me that people who have served in any kind of combat divison for multiple years lacks maturity in any way shape of form. I know people that are my age, 21, that are in the special forces, army rangers, and the marines.....and they are all light years ahead of me or any of my friends in terms of emotions, maturity, and ability to make right decisions. They are the most mature people I have ever met in my life.

[33girl]

Originally posted by saetex
I don't agree with you at all. yeah. there are kids that are going to be people that drink and do drugs, shit i'm guilty, but you will never convince me that people who have served in any kind of combat divison for multiple years lacks maturity in any way shape of form. I know people that are my age, 21, that are in the special forces, army rangers, and the marines.....and they are all light years ahead of me or any of my friends in terms of emotions, maturity, and ability to make right decisions. They are the most mature people I have ever met in my life.

You're saying people who have been in combat. She's saying people who have been in the military in general. There's a difference.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by 33girl
You're saying people who have been in combat. She's saying people who have been in the military in general. There's a difference.

Served in a combat division, not in combat

-Rudey

[33girl]

Originally posted by Rudey
Served in a combat division, not in combat

-Rudey

So in other words he is saying if you trained in a combat division but perhaps never saw actual combat with an enemy? In that case, I even more totally back what Heather said.