GreekChat.com Forums  

Go Back   GreekChat.com Forums > General Chat Topics > Dating & Relationships
Register FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

» GC Stats
Members: 329,729
Threads: 115,666
Posts: 2,205,014
Welcome to our newest member, samuelpetrvoz32
» Online Users: 2,075
1 members and 2,074 guests
Xidelt
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 02-14-2005, 04:42 AM
TxAPhi TxAPhi is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: TEXAS
Posts: 579
The dying art of the first date

This article by a Washington Post writer appeared in A LOT of other papers overnight..... including the Post, Houston Chronicle, Indianapolis Star


Love's Dying Ritual

By William Raspberry
Monday, February 14, 2005; Page A17


Maybe Valentine's Day is a good time to talk about something that's been on my mind for a while: the alarming decline of courtship.

Calling it alarming, of course, places me firmly on the old-fogy side of the discussion. The youngsters I talk to at Duke University don't seem particularly alarmed, though a few will acknowledge some discomfort, some disappointment that they find themselves in a world in which boys don't come courting. They are, willy-nilly, in a hookup culture that they (the girls, at least) don't remember asking for but feel powerless to change.

What am I talking about?

Listen (with her permission) to a young woman in my "Family and Community" class last fall:

"Friday night, my sorority had a function in an abandoned field, where the only activity is to get really drunk," she wrote in a paper I assigned on the decline of courtship. "I asked this older boy that I sort of knew, just because I needed a date and he was cute. Everyone was drinking so heavily that the majority of the conversations did not even make much sense.

"When the party ended, we all got on the buses (nicknamed the 'hook-up buses') to return to campus. I went back to his room 'to talk,' but obviously talking turned into making out. Later, I walked back from his dorm all the way to my dorm by myself."


Thank goodness she spared me the details of her make-out session, though she and her classmates drove home the point that "hooking up" can include anything from kissing and petting to sexual intercourse.

Several of them made it clear that alcohol consumption is a significant part of the hookup experience -- as though to give all involved a pretext for saying that what happened last night wasn't really them.

My young student said something that still has me scratching my head.

"At the end of the night, I could have batted my eyes, given him a hug, and said 'Thanks for a wonderful evening.' But in today's society, that is rude. A hug is the universal sign for 'not interested.' "

The disjuncture from courtship as earlier generations remember it is startling. For us, sex was the Super Bowl of relationships. For many of today's youngsters, it's just a pickup game. I don't envy them.

I should note that the hookup, though widespread, is by no means universal. A few students still have traditional take-her-to-dinner-or-a-movie dates. Some avoid the hookup culture, either by dint of ironclad personal values or by joining up with a subgroup of like-minded friends.

But a lot of them -- too many, by my dimming lights -- go along to get along. They are not sure who made the new rules, though they seem to believe they have something to do with gender equality. And they are not sure they like the new rules, but they like even less the prospect of being branded weird and left alone in their rooms on weekend nights.

What I have found surprising is their willingness to talk about the trend. Several young men -- after first giving an enthusiastic thumbs up -- admitted that the new culture leaves them off balance, too. Several young women said -- sadly, I thought -- that they don't really expect to find their future husbands in such encounters. They see it, they told me, as a college thing, a phase. Grad school is soon enough to start taking relationships seriously.

Still, more than a few young women see their "liberation" as tinged with awkwardness and shame.

Again, I quote from my student's paper:

"I walked home late at night by myself. He offered for me to stay at his place, but I said that I would just walk home. He responded with false concern, asking if I would be OK going back by myself. I promised him I would be fine. This dialogue is standard. The boy cannot appear too apathetic, the girl cannot act too needy and dependent. We are afraid to forfeit the independence that took so many years to acquire in return for an escort back to the dorm."

Then this:

"He and I could have a future together, but we will never know. There will never be a next date. If he were to ask me out next weekend, he would appear weak. I could not ask him out again for fear of appearing obsessed."

What a dysfunctional, ego-destructive and profoundly sad "equality" the young folk have fashioned.

Do you suppose any of them send -- or receive -- Valentine's Day cards?

willrasp@washpost.com
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 02-14-2005, 07:05 AM
kddani kddani is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Babyville!!! Yay!!!
Posts: 10,641
wow, TxAhi, you must read a lot of articles b/c you're always cutting and pasting them Thanks for the info, but you really should just post a link to the articles and not cut and paste them. Technically it's against the GC TOS and copyright law. Plus i'm sure most of us would rather hear what you have to say about things than just read other people's articles
__________________
Yes, I will judge you for your tackiness.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 02-14-2005, 09:06 AM
HotDamnImAPhiMu HotDamnImAPhiMu is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 3,190
Send a message via Yahoo to HotDamnImAPhiMu
Can I just take this opportunity to discuss my terrible 3rd date on Saturday? The first two sucked, too, but I was trying to give the guy a chance -- they sucked primarily on the grounds of he was boring and had nothing to say, so I was hoping it was nerves and by the 3rd date he'd be better.

Nope.

ALL THREE DATES we went to the same place (which was, even better, a bar/resturant) for hamburgers. The funny thing is I LOVE hamburgers. And I'm not an expensive-date girl. He could've taken me to Fudruckers' and I would've been good to go. But the same bar for dinner 3x in a row?
__________________
One person can save the lives of seven people and improve the lives of over 50.
Register to be an organ and tissue donor. Donate life.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 02-14-2005, 11:19 AM
Private I Private I is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 410
I just don't know how to respond to this. It's so depressing yet so typical at the same time. I wonder if we'll get to the point in the future when even that rehearsed dialogue becomes too cliche to be used.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 02-15-2005, 10:44 PM
dphies00 dphies00 is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Garden State
Posts: 158
Not to go against a popular grain but this article irks me the wrong way - the gender role are so defined in this man's opinion. It's the girl who has feels a little shame and the guys who feel off-balance? Who said the balance position of men was all that great the first time around? And if we go back to the previous society traditions, aren't we just reverting back to another forced dialogue?

And my thoughts are quickly slipping into rant territory...

I love romaniticism and courtship and the first bloom of love and I love to the way our culture keeps redefining ourselves with relationships and meaning -- but what this man describes is a longing for when the rules were all laid out for him and both genders. If a guy isn't quick enough to court in his own special, unique way then, ladies/laddies, is the guy for us?
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 02-16-2005, 01:22 AM
RUgreek RUgreek is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Northern NJ
Posts: 797
Send a message via AIM to RUgreek
apparently the author if this article doesn't know how to be his own person. If you don't like the culture and traditions going on now with hooking up, chances are there are people less vocal that agree. Same whining and complaints from a loser that can't get any.

Courting is still happening in the modern sense, but most people only talk about sex. He just needs to get laid.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:46 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.