Please, A Kappa Viewpoint?, A BGLO Viewpoint?

Big Cheehf · #1 09-23-2004, 01:37 AM

Noble Gentlemen of Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity Inc.,
I am 24 year old graduate of Michigan State University, home of the Delta Pi Playboy Chapter. I went through my whole college career witnessing the suspension of that chapter from the yard. I've wanted to be in your brotherhood since I was younger trying to emulate my uncle who was a founding father of Epsilon Tau Chapter of Ferris State University and my Father who followed. When I grew up to an age where thinking for myself was a must, Kappa was still on the brain. I've read "The Story of Kappa Alpha Psi" from front to back several times and studied the history of your organiztion only to get to college and experience Delta Pi being kicked off the yard when I was a freshman. I was Heartbroken! But I have still studied and waited patiently for almost 5 years to hope to complete what I think is one of the most valuable privaledges a chosen man can attain. Through college I have witnessed "letters" being ripped off someone's chest, specific greeks being shunned by the yard, and a face being spit in all because someone did not get "made" the way someone else might have. I've also witnessed "Paper" greeks being scared to wear parry in public because they were mede to be felt that they didn't belong. My question to those that have crossed the burning sands...If I am privaledged enough to become a Noble man through the Grad Chapter that I have chosen to pursue, will I be treated the same by those who have endured a different process? Will I be able to hang with the different undergraduate chapters and not feel shunned or left out? Am I limited to what I can do as a member? Shouldn't we all share the same language, the same glory? Can I be "made" through Grad Chapter Initiation? It's not my fault that Delta Pi Chapter was off the yard when I was in school. I still made friends with them and the Grad Chapter I am pursuing. I just want to be treated fairly, If and when I have the privaledge to wear letters in public, and not be limited to whom I can talk to, hang out with, and serve the community with. I'd like to hear from a few members on this subject. Please come at with an undergrad or "made" standpoint. I have found that once alot of greeks graduate and start thier careers and actually grow out of the child's play, they change thier viewpoint on the whole Made/Paper topic. Thats why i'm asking you to think back to when you were in school or those who are in school now, and what you thought of those "Paper" or "Grad Chapter" Kappas who came around and wanted to chill, party, or just put in work with you. If possible, I'd also like to hear from a couple members who DID go through a Grad Chapter Process and how you are treated/respected.

Thanks Alot fellas,

Big Cheehf

Big Cheehf · #2 09-25-2004, 12:36 PM

NUPE4LIFE???

MadeNupe8 · #3 09-30-2004, 01:42 PM

To me my stand point is, your founders pledged. Your founders lived in the mid west in the midst of whites back in 1911. If blacks were being hung and ran out of town back in the 60's i can't imagine what it was like in 1911. The process was design for the pledge of every day life. I think you should get made if brothers know how to conduct themselves. Being made helps me throughout my everyday life. I do things with a sense of urgency, excuses are not in my thoughts, and committment is what I do. Pledging is a microcasm of everyday life. No it doesn't make you less of man or a less of a member that you didn't. It goes deeper than getting respect. The process gets so deep it becomes personal and you can only relate to what im saying if you got "made".

ladygreek · #4 09-30-2004, 05:07 PM

Just a question. Who pledged your Founders?

MadeNupe8 · #5 10-01-2004, 03:41 PM

Good Question! Society did. Black men in the 1911 in the midwest didn't have the priviledges of the black men in Washington D.C. or New York. And I praise my founders even more because they founded it at a White institution. After all thats where the blacks were migrating to to the north. Why? to have more freedom and opportunity. Blacks weren't migrating to the midwest where lenching and other racial activities were still going on and permissable. Its in the history books. My founders went through some compromises, some difficult times, uneasy moments all to become better god fearing men. That taught them to have humility. Those experiences taught them how to stay committed to what they believed in. We had it easy, we had a process. It was to a certain point. My founders were faced with death everday because of the color of there skin, but they continued to achieve. Thats how my founders pledged. Like I said, Pledging is a MICROCASM OF EVERYDAY LIFE. I believe the women of DST pledged because black women in the 13's had it rough. They pledged. Yeah, they didn't take wood or line up every night dressed alike, but they were faced with obstacles, trials and tribulations that made them better women for their legacy to be going strong today. Everyday your life is a pledge. If you have a car note. Your pledging BMW, VOLKSWAGEN whatever the case maybe. What I can't figure out is why the greek organizations were founded at howard. To me thats like having a Black Student Union at a HBCU today. In MY opinion blacks have always tried to distinguish themselves within each other. Is that why we are having so much problems in the black community today?

ladygreek · #6 10-01-2004, 06:19 PM

An interesting take on the issue of pledging. But I don't equate having a car note to making a pledge of a lifetime commitment to the car maker. Heck I can sell the car at anytime and buy one from another maker.

And I don't understand your question about why BGs were founded at Howard. Are you saying that being founded at a PWI makes more sense or gives more credibility?

Howard provided an atmosphere that allowed the fraternities and sororities to come into existence without the struggles such as having to change the name of the organization because of racist usage.

Atlas · #7 10-07-2004, 02:07 AM

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Originally posted by MadeNupe8
Good Question! Society did. Black men in the 1911 in the midwest didn't have the priviledges of the black men in Washington D.C. or New York. And I praise my founders even more because they founded it at a White institution. After all thats where the blacks were migrating to to the north. Why? to have more freedom and opportunity. Blacks weren't migrating to the midwest where lenching and other racial activities were still going on and permissable. Its in the history books. My founders went through some compromises, some difficult times, uneasy moments all to become better god fearing men. That taught them to have humility. Those experiences taught them how to stay committed to what they believed in. We had it easy, we had a process. It was to a certain point. My founders were faced with death everday because of the color of there skin, but they continued to achieve. Thats how my founders pledged. Like I said, Pledging is a MICROCASM OF EVERYDAY LIFE. I believe the women of DST pledged because black women in the 13's had it rough. They pledged. Yeah, they didn't take wood or line up every night dressed alike, but they were faced with obstacles, trials and tribulations that made them better women for their legacy to be going strong today. Everyday your life is a pledge. If you have a car note. Your pledging BMW, VOLKSWAGEN whatever the case maybe. What I can't figure out is why the greek organizations were founded at howard. To me thats like having a Black Student Union at a HBCU today. In MY opinion blacks have always tried to distinguish themselves within each other. Is that why we are having so much problems in the black community today?

Great post. I don't get the car part but the fact that society pleged our founders is the truth! My line brothers and I (all of whom soon left me online by myself....) were talking about that one night before set, we were pissed off as usual and we were trying to figure out why we had to do what we had to do to become members and one of the points that was made was; "The founders wasn't out there beatin each other down!" If I would of looked at it like you do at that point in time, maybe everyone I started with would of finished with me.

MadeNupe8 · #8 10-07-2004, 10:51 AM

About the car, If I baught a Car. What do i have to do now? I have to work or keep on working. There will be some days that you don't want to go to work, but guess what? You will have to because you have to Finish paying for the car. there Will be some days where getting to work isn't easy. but you have to keep in mind I have to pay for this car. Does anyone remember those days when you didn't want to go to set? but you didn't want to give up? So now I see through the eyes of the "droppers" because of Ladygreek. LadyGreek would sell the car because obviously she is tired of working for the car. Meaning, You can say hell wit the process because you no longer want it. Your tired of going to set. If you buy a BMW and you want to keep your BMW, Work for you BMW. If you no longer want to endure the hardships of the BMW meaning going to work and working hard to keep that BMW yours. Drop like the people do on lines and sell the car like LadyGreek would. how about that now? is that clear?

ladygreek · #9 10-07-2004, 12:05 PM

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Originally posted by MadeNupe8
About the car, If I baught a Car. What do i have to do now? I have to work or keep on working. There will be some days that you don't want to go to work, but guess what? You will have to because you have to Finish paying for the car. there Will be some days where getting to work isn't easy. but you have to keep in mind I have to pay for this car. Does anyone remember those days when you didn't want to go to set? but you didn't want to give up? So now I see through the eyes of the "droppers" because of Ladygreek. LadyGreek would sell the car because obviously she is tired of working for the car. Meaning, You can say hell wit the process because you no longer want it. Your tired of going to set. If you buy a BMW and you want to keep your BMW, Work for you BMW. If you no longer want to endure the hardships of the BMW meaning going to work and working hard to keep that BMW yours. Drop like the people do on lines and sell the car like LadyGreek would. how about that now? is that clear?

No.

Could you please answer my other question, too? Thanks

MadeNupe8 · #10 10-07-2004, 12:22 PM

I made it clear as possible. I can't understand why the blacks on Howards campus tried to seperate themselves from each other by making such organizatitons. All you had to do was ralley up the students. Instead they formed groups. Kept as a secret society. I mean that was nothing new. Blacks been doing it for years and until this day we still are. I think it gives much validation to the greeks that were founded at white schools because you had to bond it was only a certain amount of blacks there. At Howard, it was a bunch of blacks it was a black school. Once again, trying to seperate themselves. The car thing, have the mindset that of a person who wants and not need. After all you did want to be a Delta you didn't need to be.

ladygreek · #11 10-07-2004, 12:50 PM

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Originally posted by MadeNupe8
I made it clear as possible. I can't understand why the blacks on Howards campus tried to seperate themselves from each other by making such organizatitons. All you had to do was ralley up the students. Instead they formed groups. Kept as a secret society. I mean that was nothing new. Blacks been doing it for years and until this day we still are. I think it gives much validation to the greeks that were founded at white schools because you had to bond it was only a certain amount of blacks there. At Howard, it was a bunch of blacks it was a black school. Once again, trying to seperate themselves. The car thing, have the mindset that of a person who wants and not need. After all you did want to be a Delta you didn't need to be.

Interesting.

Atlas · #12 10-07-2004, 01:32 PM

I guess I get it now... it's just a different perspective to look at yourself pledging (in my case) to Honda. lol

But it makes sense.

K.O.T.S · #13 10-07-2004, 02:36 PM

MADENUPE. that is some deep truth. i feel i am stronger since ive been on this side of KAPPA and one of the main reasons i chose this frat was b/c it was founded in the midwest at a predominantly white school. it is still bad there today, not as bad as 1911 but still bad. i had so much respect for the history before i even thought about this frat. you just added a deeper perspective and another reason for me to love the Diamond.

YO!!!

PrettyGirl03 · #14 10-08-2004, 11:13 PM

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Originally posted by MadeNupe8
I made it clear as possible. I can't understand why the blacks on Howards campus tried to seperate themselves from each other by making such organizatitons. All you had to do was ralley up the students. Instead they formed groups. Kept as a secret society. I mean that was nothing new. Blacks been doing it for years and until this day we still are. I think it gives much validation to the greeks that were founded at white schools because you had to bond it was only a certain amount of blacks there. At Howard, it was a bunch of blacks it was a black school. Once again, trying to seperate themselves. The car thing, have the mindset that of a person who wants and not need. After all you did want to be a Delta you didn't need to be.

Interesting.

I can't understand why one would think that all blacks are supposed to "follow the same as one another." It's obvious that some people felt certain issues weren't being addressed by another, and therefore decided to do things THEIR way.

I think this logic is almost as assinine as saying why would blacks attend a white institute, separating themselves from other blacks.

MadeNupe8 · #15 10-09-2004, 01:13 PM

This is not a black world and it never will be. I think it was great for them to travel and go to another institution. I think they paved the way for blacks attending traditional white institutions today, especially males. Black people love to compete and so happen compete within each other. I don't even see the point of HBCU's around today. Blacks will distinguish each other and always have been. Let me give you a few examples, BET which is owned by whites, Viacom. Radio One, Kathleen Hughes, but has whites running things. Thats not how Dr. Martin Luther King (not a member of Kappa Alpha Psi) and other black activist were pushing towards. They wanted INtergration not Segregation.