APO and other GREEKS

sweete81 · #1 11-10-2004, 04:59 AM

As I was reading my online subscription to the Hilltop, Howard's School Paper, I ran across an interesting article

. Here it is...

http://www.thehilltoponline.com/news...e-798104.shtml

I Saw a Sigma Holding a Cane...
Published: Tuesday, November 9, 2004
Article Tools: Page 1 of 1

Tamir Mutakabbir

It is almost never a bother for me to respond to something that I have read in the HILLTOPICS. But I must clear things up so that people will have the right picture of things. I know that many people who are not in a Greek letter organization may not understand what different organizations represent and are forced to come up with their own opinions. As a member of one of the organizations in the NPHC (National Pan-Hellenic Council) I have to speak about this.

My first point is that if you are not in the "Divine Nine," do not mimic us! I am tired of being confused as to whether a "frat " from across the Yard is doing my call or some other organization. If you can't go to another school and do your call and get a response, don't do it at Howard fronting like you are "Pan-Hell." The benefits do not extend past the Howard bubble like it does to us.

To respond to those who were shocked to see the Sigmas stepping with canes at the step show, who was the first to step with canes? Do you even know that the Sigmas were the first to step with canes? But don't take my word for it. Do some research on your own about the "Fraternity of Firsts"(Phi Beta Sigma).

I understand that the Fraternities (Pan-Hell) are not as big in number as they used to be back in the day. There would be hundreds of Alphas, Sigmas, Kappas and Omegas representing at Howard. Nowadays, my opinion is that there is a different breed of Black men who are not worried about bettering themselves and the community through fraternity work. That is another issue.

Now apart from his obvious ignorance on Non-NPHC Greeks and their customs and his blatant uncomfortableness

with Non-NPHC orgs doing a call, which probably have more initiates within one line than his org has had since the turn of the century on our campus, and his fragrant need to feel like someone has to be apart of something in order to help their community...

I was wondering, have anyone experienced on their campus other Greeks challenging APO legitimacy as a whole or on certain things?!?!?

News @ 9
24 Survivors of the APOcalypse
Zeta Phi
Spring 2003 Alpha Line

P.S. Cas, I think that you may need to school your Frat up at Howard

sweete81 · #2 11-10-2004, 05:10 AM

And I don't know about everyone else, but I find that the ones that always have something to say about APO were either trying to be down or want to be down now. Case in point, the guy that wrote this article came to our rush

Disclaimer: Now I know that he was speaking in general in the article, but for some reason, I think that Zeta Phi had something to do with the article because we have some brothers that have too much Frat spirit!!!

ATJ · #3 11-18-2004, 01:04 AM

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Originally posted by sweete81
And I don't know about everyone else, but I find that the ones that always have something to say about APO were either trying to be down or want to be down now. Case in point, the guy that wrote this article came to our rush

Disclaimer: Now I know that he was speaking in general in the article, but for some reason, I think that Zeta Phi had something to do with the article because we have some brothers that have too much Frat spirit!!!

do tell...

Senusret I · #4 11-18-2004, 01:16 PM

Okay.....

That person is an idiot. All it takes is a QUICK visit to Moorland-Spingarn to see the HISTORY of APO at Howard to understand WHY Zeta Phi does certain things.

Get a grip....the reason why more black men aren't pledging isn't because they don't want to better the community....it's because if they ain't get beat by their fathers, they for damn sure won't get beat by their peers!!!!

And hell, look at who is already IN some of the orgs.....

Anyway....if he's worried about a call and stepping, then he for damn sure pledged for the wrong reasons.

CasanovaAPQ · #5 11-18-2004, 02:37 PM

im so sorry on behalf of my brother. ignorance is in every frat. See this brother has some issues, he states that people should research to understand why people do things but he fails to research himself. In sigma we pride ourselves on being a fraternity of first but we only can do that by researching things. But just because we are the fraternity of first it gives us no right to down someone for doing something that may seem like somethign some else does. We need to ask why they do that or just let them do what they want, i mean im sure its not the same meaning as ours, plus there isnt to many things you can do with a hand.

This brother clearly wasnt taught right. He does not understand the true principles of phi beta sigma or her would know that uniting not dividing, being exclusive not inclusive. ( i think i mixed it up lol) he must be a young brother of a brother who was taugth wrong. Once again i would like to appologies for my brother at Alpha chapter.

naraht · #6 11-19-2004, 12:14 PM

Here is a response from a brother of Zeta Phi chapter of Alpha Phi Omega.

http://www.thehilltoponline.com/news...t-806068.shtml

And the response to *that*
http://www.thehilltoponline.com/news...h-811423.shtml

Wish this wasn't happening, but APO is definitely holding its own!

Sorry I can't post the text, but my normal at work webserver can't find the site, and the place I can look for it (on my VAX/VMS box) doesn't exactly allow easy cut and paste to here.

Randy

Senusret I · #7 11-19-2004, 12:28 PM

And it STILL seems like these idiots haven't taken that brief trip to Moorland-Spingarn.

I am SOOOOOO over this debate.....if they are worried about specs, line numbers, calls, whatever, then they are CLEARLY not handling business on their yard.

Senusret I · #8 11-19-2004, 12:29 PM

And if ANY Alpha at HU has a problem with APO, you refer them to ME.

naraht · #9 11-19-2004, 04:12 PM

Kevin Bembridge who posted the most recent perspective is a former president of Phi Beta Sigma at Howard. So its gone PBS -> APO -> PBS.

And given their mention of Brother Young, I looked up which NPHC brother Young was a member of, you guessed it, Phi Beta Sigma.

http://www.pbsfcu.org/ (He is a board member Emeritus of the credit union) This is the only mention of him as a brother of PBS on the net.

Love to get numbers as to who has more on the yard, Zeta Phi Beta Sigma or Alpha Phi Omega.

Senusret I · #10 11-19-2004, 04:16 PM

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Originally posted by naraht

Love to get numbers as to who has more on the yard, Zeta Phi Beta Sigma or Alpha Phi Omega.

Oh, you know there's no question! But if you want numbers, I'm sure the current ZP undergrads can provide.

naraht · #11 11-19-2004, 05:31 PM

Well last year Zeta Phi reported 32 actives for AAMDs and had 43 initiates. So 75 minus graduating seniors. (and any that have gone inactive...
(and 11 pledges this semester)

No clue on ZPBS...

Randy

True18 · #12 11-19-2004, 07:34 PM

Hi Brothers,

This is Veronica-Marché, the brother who authored the APO editorial in the HIlltop. For clarification, I wasn't responding just to the PBS article, but to general situation on campus that I, personally, am sick and tired of.

Now that my editorial has drawn such a disrespectful response, I find it necessary to settle this situation once and for all. Not through campus media, but face to face as real (wo)men should.

To my seasoned brothers: What is the best way to approach this? I refuse to allow someone to disrespect my APO and have them even think they can get away with it. Or is this something that needs to be ignored? How do we address this situation and still maintain our integrity and position on this campus? Some people are saying "Let it go," but I can't. I was first speaking for cooperation, understanding and respect on campus, but now I have to defend my frat.

naraht · #13 11-19-2004, 07:35 PM

I wrote to the APO brother who posted the perspective message in response. Her name is Veronica-Marché Miller and her email is in the Perspective Article.

Gave her thumbs up, offered her help and directed her here if she wants to look.

YiLFS
Randy

Senusret I · #14 11-19-2004, 07:44 PM

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Originally posted by True18
To my seasoned brothers: What is the best way to approach this? I refuse to allow someone to disrespect my APO and have them even think they can get away with it. Or is this something that needs to be ignored? How do we address this situation and still maintain our integrity and position on this campus? Some people are saying "Let it go," but I can't. I was first speaking for cooperation, understanding and respect on campus, but now I have to defend my frat.

My advice is to ignore it as long as it doesn't interfere with your safety or operations as a chapter.

If you MUST address it, hit them with the history -- Moorland Spingarn has all the answers. Check the yearbooks. They will see that APO chanted and sang on the yard on Fridays just like everyone else.

I mean, the freakin president of the school is in APO and Omega....I don't understand what the problem is.

Senusret I · #15 11-19-2004, 07:49 PM

By the way -- Alpha Phi Omega stands on its own merits. No need to "defend" it. That's what people with gang mentalities do.