GreekChat.com Forums  

Go Back   GreekChat.com Forums > General Chat Topics > News & Politics
Register FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

» GC Stats
Members: 329,509
Threads: 115,660
Posts: 2,204,525
Welcome to our newest member, AndrewMoulp
» Online Users: 1,510
0 members and 1,510 guests
No Members online
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-18-2004, 01:59 PM
ZTAngel ZTAngel is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: The beach
Posts: 7,948
Florida Can't Get It Together

My favorite part is when the article says that Republican voters were almost completely absent from this list due to a technical error. Sigh....Florida still can't seem to correct their voting problem! Although this new list has been trashed, I'm still surprised that the State hadn't learned its lesson and still had problems where voters who shouldn't have been on the list ended up on it. This is after the disaster of 2000 with the felon list where Katherine Harris (evil, vile woman) had people on the list who weren't even felons; the people's only mistake is that they shared a name with a convicted felon so many people were turned away at the polls.


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...d=694&ncid=716


Report: Jeb Bush Ignored Felon List Advice

Sun Oct 17,10:17 AM ET


TALLAHASSEE, Fla. - Florida Gov. Jeb Bush ignored advice to throw out a flawed felon voter list before it went out to county election offices despite warnings from state officials, according to a published report Saturday.


In a May 4 e-mail obtained by the Sarasota Herald-Tribune, Florida Department of Law Enforcement computer expert Jeff Long told his boss that a Department of State computer expert had told him "that yesterday they recommended to the Gov that they 'pull the plug'" on the voter database.


The e-mail said state election officials "weren't comfortable with the felon matching program they've got," but added, "The Gov rejected their suggestion to pull the plug, so they're 'going live' with it this weekend."


Long, who was responsible for giving elections officials his department's felon database, confirmed the contents of the e-mail Friday to the Herald-Tribune. He said he didn't remember the specifics, but that Paul Craft, the Department of State's top computer expert, had told him about the meeting with Bush.


A software program matched data on felons with voter registration rolls to create the list of 48,000 names. Secretary of State Glenda Hood junked the database in July after acknowledging that 2,500 ex-felons on the list had had their voting rights restored.


Most were Democrats, and many were black. Hispanics, who often vote Republican in Florida, were almost entirely absent from the list due to a technical error.


Bush's spokeswoman, Jill Bratina, denied allegations that the governor ignored warnings about the list.


"It's also irrelevant because the list isn't being used," Bratina said Saturday.


Bush told the Herald-Tribune that Craft didn't call him, and he denied that any meeting took place May 3 with Craft or other election officials.


"Once it became clear after talking to the secretary of state that there were problems with the list (in July), that's when we decided to end it," Bush said.


Craft hung up on a Herald-Tribune reporter seeking comment Friday. A message left for a Paul Craft in Tallahassee was not immediately returned Saturday.


U.S. Rep. Kendrick Meek (news, bio, voting record), the Florida chairman of Democratic Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites)'s presidential campaign, said the report shows the extent Bush will go to ensure his brother's re-election.


"Jeb Bush and the Bush campaign need to come clean about their involvement in this sad spectacle," Meek said.


Florida is one of few states that does not automatically restore voting rights to convicted felons when they complete their sentences. Purging felons from voter rolls has been a hot-button issue since the 2000 presidential election, when many citizens discovered at the polls they weren't allowed to vote.


Election officials have said that anyone who feels they have been inadvertently removed from the voter rolls on Nov. 2 will be allowed to use a provisional ballot that will be examined later to determine eligibility.
__________________
ZTA

Last edited by ZTAngel; 10-18-2004 at 02:01 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-18-2004, 02:13 PM
IowaStatePhiPsi IowaStatePhiPsi is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 2,624
Give it back to Spain.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-18-2004, 07:57 PM
PhiPsiRuss PhiPsiRuss is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Listening to a Mariachi band on the N train
Posts: 5,707
Send a message via ICQ to PhiPsiRuss Send a message via AIM to PhiPsiRuss Send a message via Yahoo to PhiPsiRuss
Ion Sancho

Leon County, led by Supervisor of Elections Ion Sancho, has its act together. He's one of the finest in thje country, and its a shame that Florida hasn't looked to him for guidance.

http://www.co.leon.fl.us/elect/bio.htm
http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/tallahassee/9194283.htm

Last edited by PhiPsiRuss; 10-18-2004 at 07:59 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-18-2004, 09:21 PM
AnchorAlum AnchorAlum is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Back home in FLA
Posts: 782
Re: Florida Can't Get It Together

Quote:
Originally posted by ZTAngel
My favorite part is when the article says that Republican voters were almost completely absent from this list due to a technical error. Sigh....Florida still can't seem to correct their voting problem! Although this new list has been trashed, I'm still surprised that the State hadn't learned its lesson and still had problems where voters who shouldn't have been on the list ended up on it. This is after the disaster of 2000 with the felon list where Katherine Harris (evil, vile woman) had people on the list who weren't even felons; the people's only mistake is that they shared a name with a convicted felon so many people were turned away at the polls.




Most were Democrats, and many were black. Hispanics, who often vote Republican in Florida, were almost entirely absent from the list due to a technical error.


Bush's spokeswoman, Jill Bratina, denied allegations that the governor ignored warnings about the list.


"It's also irrelevant because the list isn't being used," Bratina said Saturday.


U.S. Rep. Kendrick Meek (news, bio, voting record), the Florida chairman of Democratic Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites)'s presidential campaign, said the report shows the extent Bush will go to ensure his brother's re-election.


"Jeb Bush and the Bush campaign need to come clean about their involvement in this sad spectacle," Meek said.


Florida is one of few states that does not automatically restore voting rights to convicted felons when they complete their sentences. Purging felons from voter rolls has been a hot-button issue since the 2000 presidential election, when many citizens discovered at the polls they weren't allowed to vote.


Election officials have said that anyone who feels they have been inadvertently removed from the voter rolls on Nov. 2 will be allowed to use a provisional ballot that will be examined later to determine eligibility.
Why is Katherine Harris a vile, evil woman? Did she break a law?

And to quote an article mentioning Kendrick Meek, who was THOROUGHLY embarassed on national TV when interviewed in 2000 immediately discredits the article.

The truth of the matter is that Florida has long had this list, just like Colorado and other states. And that disqualification was just fine in '92 and '96. Why it was actually peachy keen in '76 when Jimmy Carter carried Florida, but now that he has made ridiculous accusations and said the UN needs to observe voting in Florida, it's horrid.
Why, it's just awful, isn't it?
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-18-2004, 11:53 PM
Optimist Prime Optimist Prime is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: somewhere in richmond
Posts: 6,906
The U.N. should supervise voting in every precinct in the U.S.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-19-2004, 07:10 AM
AnchorAlum AnchorAlum is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Back home in FLA
Posts: 782
Quote:
Originally posted by Optimist Prime
The U.N. should supervise voting in every precinct in the U.S.
One can only hope you are merely jesting.

Indeed. Why not bring in the UN? Then we officially become just another run of the mill country, unable to manage our own affairs, looking down our noses at others, and living on past glories.
But enough about France.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-19-2004, 04:22 PM
Munchkin03 Munchkin03 is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Home.
Posts: 8,259
Quote:
Originally posted by AnchorAlum
One can only hope you are merely jesting.

Indeed. Why not bring in the UN? Then we officially become just another run of the mill country, unable to manage our own affairs, looking down our noses at others, and living on past glories.
But enough about France.
Have you ever been to France?

And no, I'm not talking about that trailer park off I-75.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-19-2004, 04:23 PM
moe.ron moe.ron is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Southeast Asia
Posts: 9,026
Send a message via AIM to moe.ron
French a nice country to visit. Never lived there though.
__________________
Spambot Killer
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-19-2004, 05:04 PM
DeltAlum DeltAlum is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Mile High America
Posts: 17,088
We went in August last time. Most of the natives were somewhere else on holiday.
__________________
Fraternally,
DeltAlum
DTD
The above is the opinion of the poster which may or may not be based in known facts and does not necessarily reflect the views of Delta Tau Delta or Greek Chat -- but it might.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 10-19-2004, 05:05 PM
Munchkin03 Munchkin03 is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Home.
Posts: 8,259
Quote:
Originally posted by DeltAlum
We went in August last time. Most of the natives were somewhere else on holiday.
That's the way it is in Italy and Spain, too.

I wonder if worker morale would be higher here if people went on longer vacations.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 10-19-2004, 09:20 PM
AnchorAlum AnchorAlum is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Back home in FLA
Posts: 782
Quote:
Originally posted by Munchkin03
Have you ever been to France?

And no, I'm not talking about that trailer park off I-75.
sigh...
I would not know about trailer parks off of I-75.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 10-20-2004, 04:57 PM
cashmoney cashmoney is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: $outh Beach
Posts: 4,231
Quote:
Originally posted by AnchorAlum
sigh...
I would not know about trailer parks off of I-75.


Yea, me either. Come to think of it...I havent ever seen any trailer parks off of I-75....but I have off of I-95. I-75 has farm land and orange groves with a couple of vineyards.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 10-27-2004, 08:15 AM
ZTAngel ZTAngel is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: The beach
Posts: 7,948
More problems for Florida.....

Looks like Broward County forgot to send out a bunch of absentee ballots....
From the Sun-Sentinel:
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loc...home-headlines

Long lines, busy signals fuel voting frustration in Broward

By Jean-Paul Renaud
Staff Writer
Posted October 27 2004


The Broward County Supervisor of Elections Office on Tuesday pointed a finger at the U.S. Postal Service on Tuesday for nearly 60,000 missing absentee ballots, but took the blame for having a phone system that was being overwhelmed by calls from frustrated voters.

While the post office denied responsibility for the missing ballots, Broward County commissioners, anxious to void another failed election, offered to send county employees to help with the phones. Dozens of employees could begin assisting the elections office today to answer telephone calls and to process voters at the 14 early voting sites.

"What we are seeing is unprecedented, so if the supervisor of elections needs our help, we will help," County Mayor Ilene Lieberman said. "It's a week to the election, and voting is a basic right in our country."

Just six days away from the general election, the Supervisor of Elections Office has fielded hundreds of complaints from people that have yet to receive their absentee ballot. Countless more have been unable to get through to election officials to complain or get their questions answered.

"I tried for the last week or so to call the elections office and it's just busy continually," said Paula Zubatkin, 70, whose four-week-old request for an absentee ballot has gone unanswered. "I want to vote."

Election officials also said they launched an investigation and found that many of the missing ballots -- 58,000 of them -- were sent on Oct. 7 and Oct 8. The problem, they say, lies with the post office.

"That is something beyond our control," Deputy Supervisor of Elections Gisela Salas said. "We really have no idea what's going on. It's just taken an extraordinary amount of time. I would really encourage people to use early voting."

Post office officials say they are not at fault.

"We have employees that we assign to handle the absentee ballots that come in," said Enola C. Rice, spokeswoman for the Postal Service's South Florida District. "So all the absentee ballots that are received by the Postal Service are processed and delivered immediately."

She said most local mail is delivered in one day.

Some, like 68-year-old Myrna Davis, depended on her absentee ballot to vote. The Sunrise resident's husband has an artificial hip. After they waited weeks for an absentee ballot, they decided to go to an early voting site. But after a three-hour wait in line, they gave up.

"The heat was too great," Davis said. "Although there was air conditioning, there were so many people there, I couldn't tolerate it."

Local college students attending Florida State University in Tallahassee are frustrated because they have yet to receive absentee ballots and are unable to reach officials in Broward County. They have been calling Leon County's supervisor of elections, where the university is, to ask for help.

"Students have told us that they can't communicate with Broward County right now," said Ion Sancho, Leon County's supervisor of elections. "The only way that they can ask for an absentee ballot is electronically to Broward County: E-mail, fax or Web services."

Those living out of town can call Broward election officials and request another ballot, which officials said will be sent through overnight mail.

As of Tuesday, 126,220 absentee ballots have been requested from Broward County elections officials and 67,249 people have voted early, Salas said.

Broward election officials say they are overwhelmed. Their phone lines were never equipped to handle the volume of calls they have experienced, they say, and they blame their limitations on the confined spaces within the county administration building.

"It's a real, real problem," Salas said.

County officials say the elections office, which oversees more than 1 million voters, has 158 available lines. But throughout the day, voters who call the office are greeted by busy signals or filled voicemails.

"They're inundated, they're inundated," Salas said. "My phone mail is constantly full. I clear my voice mails twice a day and I have 30 each time."

In comparison, the Miami-Dade elections office, which manages slightly fewer registered voters, has 400 available lines, according to Seth Kaplan of Miami-Dade elections.

The possibility of adding more phone lines or staff before Nov. 2, election officials say, looks dim. Salas said there would be about 6,000 poll workers on Election Day. Miami-Dade will have 7,000, Kaplan said.

"I don't know that we could get any more people and more resources," Salas said. "At this point in time, training is coming to a close. Clerks are picking up their supplies on Friday. Everything is wrapping up by now."

At the Southwest Regional Library in Pembroke Pines, crowds swelled to the point where library officials asked for relief.

"The crowds had jammed the space," said Bob Cannon, director of Broward County's library system. "It's a mob scene. We asked the supervisor of elections to look at the problem. They rearranged the lines."

Pete Corwin, assistant to County Administrator Roger Desjarlais, said the problem at the early voting locations was not caused by a lack of voting machines, but rather a lack of laptop computers and poll workers to process the voters.

At Howard Forman Health Park in Pembroke Pines, the wait was about 2 1/2 hours by the afternoon.

Arlene Ruotolo, of Cooper City, said she requested an absentee ballot but never received it.

"I was not expecting such long lines," she said. "I went to the Hollywood courthouse this morning, and the line was even longer. I left because they were all standing in the sun."
__________________
ZTA
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:44 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.