January's Ted Kennedy negative post

[hoosier]

'Our Basic Values'

"Sen. Edward Kennedy, the leading liberal voice in Congress, said on Wednesday that Democrats 'must do a better job' of promoting what he called their basic, unifying values if they are to rebound from their defeat in the November elections," Reuters reports from Washington:

"Unlike the Republican Party, we believe our values unite us as Americans, instead of dividing us," the Massachusetts Democrat said in a speech prepared for delivery at the National Press Club.

"Today, I propose a progressive vision for America, a vision that Democrats must fight for in the months and years ahead--a vision rooted in our basic values of opportunity, fairness, tolerance and respect for each other."

Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for comment.

(Opinion Journal)

[Rudey]

In 20 years, I am going to hate being a Republican but I'm sure the Dems will enjoy their seat of power. Am I wrong? Let me know in 20 years and I'll buy you a hamburger if I am.

-Rudey

[lifesaver]

Ted is right to an extent. The only way the dems are gonna have a chance to win any elections is to actually act like democrats, and appeal to their base. Gore and Kerry were trying way too damn hard to sound like republicans to get elected, but that position was already filled.. by Bush.

[LexiKD]

I hate to say it but I don't listen to anything Sen. Kennedy has to say anymore.
I really don't understand why both parties cannot see we all want the best for the country and we may have to agree to disagree, grow up and stop the back and forth name calling.
At the point that Sen. Kennedy is in politics I wonder what the motivation is...money popularity....re-election?
All I know is that I am too politically incorrect to run for office!

[KSigkid]

Originally posted by LexiKD
I hate to say it but I don't listen to anything Sen. Kennedy has to say anymore.
I really don't understand why both parties cannot see we all want the best for the country and we may have to agree to disagree, grow up and stop the back and forth name calling.
At the point that Sen. Kennedy is in politics I wonder what the motivation is...money popularity....re-election?
All I know is that I am too politically incorrect to run for office!

The motivation is that he will NEVER be beaten in an election. Would you stop running for an office you'll never lose? The only person who would have a chance of beating him is the reincarnation of his brother.

[mu_agd]

Originally posted by KSigkid
The motivation is that he will NEVER be beaten in an election. Would you stop running for an office you'll never lose? The only person who would have a chance of beating him is the reincarnation of his brother.

Yep. The Kennedy's are like royalty in Mass. If there is a Kennedy running for some type of office, they will win no questions asked.

[moe.ron]

Originally posted by LexiKD

All I know is that I am too politically incorrect to run for office!

What exactly is politically incorrect?

[hoosier]

Originally posted by lifesaver
Ted is right to an extent. The only way the dems are gonna have a chance to win any elections is to actually act like democrats, and appeal to their base. Gore and Kerry were trying way too damn hard to sound like republicans to get elected, but that position was already filled.. by Bush.

I can't see any upcoming Democrat presidential candidate capturing any red state with a platform and campaign advocating more welfare/less work, more abortions and free abortions, more power for the teachers union/less accountability, less defense/more porn, more Michael Moore/less Mel Gibson, more Jesse and Al Sharpton/less Jimmy Carter, etc.

What traditional Democratic policy will help win a red state?

The base - as the 2004 election proved - is now a minority. I think a few more big losses will result in the party changing leadership and finding more moderate candidates.

[KSigkid]

Originally posted by hoosier
I can't see any upcoming Democrat presidential candidate capturing any red state with a platform and campaign advocating more welfare/less work, more abortions and free abortions, more power for the teachers union/less accountability, less defense/more porn, more Michael Moore/less Mel Gibson, more Jesse and Al Sharpton/less Jimmy Carter, etc.

What traditional Democratic policy will help win a red state?

The base - as the 2004 election proved - is now a minority. I think a few more big losses will result in the party changing leadership and finding more moderate candidates.

There's not really a "traditional" Democrat. It was the Democrats, after all, who reached out to the Bible belt under Carter, and WAY back who were for weak central government and states rights. They have changed over time, just as the Republicans have.

The party platform will evolve, just as party platforms always evolve. That's politics.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by KSigkid
There's not really a "traditional" Democrat. It was the Democrats, after all, who reached out to the Bible belt under Carter, and WAY back who were for weak central government and states rights. They have changed over time, just as the Republicans have.

The party platform will evolve, just as party platforms always evolve. That's politics.

The Democrats didn't reach out to the bible belt and evangelicals under Carter only. They have had the longest relationship with Evangelicals of either party.

It was only when Reagan ran for his presidency that he was able to switch a large proportion of that group over to vote Republican.

And when the elder Bush ran, the younger Bush got his REAL taste for politics when he got his father elected by going to all the churches in the South and campaigning for him as a born again Christian. It was definitely his tactic to win as governor and it transferred well to win as President.

The cycle of power is 40 years that is based on:
1) Appealing to more moderate groups. The Democrats pushed issues they shouldn't have.
2) The people who will gain voting power often are at odds with the generation above.
3) As a party grows in power and numbers, different strong voices are heard and the party can splinter. The Republican party is the first party to ever be a real coalition (they did it by pulling in the anti-slavery party) and in 20 years I don't see how certain characters will be able to stay cohesive.

-Rudey

[LexiKD]

politically incorrect: I say and do what I think is right, not what will make the majority happy.
Aslo, I think just b/c you can do anything doesn't mean you should.
I think personal accountability is important and respect should be learned in your family and not left up to under paid public school teachers to do the job of parents who do not have time nor caring for their children.
I also think criminals have many more "rights" then anyone and I would not take upbringing into account when someone breaks the law.
I could go on for days but really think Greek Chat may not be the place to make enemies.
All that I do know for sure is that working in my business has opened my eyes to many situations that could be avoided if respect, hard work, and education would replace the idea of entitlement.

[moe.ron]

Originally posted by LexiKD
politically incorrect: I say and do what I think is right, not what will make the majority happy.
Aslo, I think just b/c you can do anything doesn't mean you should.
I think personal accountability is important and respect should be learned in your family and not left up to under paid public school teachers to do the job of parents who do not have time nor caring for their children.
I also think criminals have many more "rights" then anyone and I would not take upbringing into account when someone breaks the law.
I could go on for days but really think Greek Chat may not be the place to make enemies.
All that I do know for sure is that working in my business has opened my eyes to many situations that could be avoided if respect, hard work, and education would replace the idea of entitlement.

What is politically correct?

[LexiKD]

correctness: what the govt tries to do to make 100% of the people happy 100% of the time so not to offend anyone.
The opposite of what I posted. The idea that just b/c one exists they are entitled to everthing, that without hard work and respect for anything we pander to anyone and everyone.

[moe.ron]

To me, the whole thing about political correct and incorrect has to do with the way you say things. What you are saying are all public policies and nothing to do with sementic. One can have the same ideology that you have but also expressed it in a politically correct way.

[ThetaPrincess24]

My guns have killed less people than Ted Kennedy's car.