Pushed to far!!

[prettygyrl]

I have been on vacation for about four days I actually finished early got my grades (straight A's) and noW I am realllllly bored! I mean I am still working and of course doing my parenting thing but I have too much time on my hands...........anyway this brings me to my question or statement "whatever" While in school I never really got a chance to watch TV but now I have time on my hands so I was reading this magazine about upcoming new shows I ran across this new show that will be airing on showtime called QUEER. I read the whole article and let me just say i think they have really pushed it to far......I mean I have nothing against homosexuals but I do have a problem with it being shoved down our throats. The show stars all homsexual people all in there twenties, and according to the article the show has very pornagraphic sex scenes among the cast, I mean the show is supposed to be so raw that there was a list of designers including Polo, Tommy, Versace, that refused to allow any of their merchandise on the show, not only that the NFL asked that they not mention any of its teams in the show either. How far will things go? Its bad enough that we can not even hardly watch a simple tv commercial with out seeing sexual things going on but now they have devoted an entire show to homsexual sex lives. The article said that its Showtimes way of trying to compete with Sex and the City. Give me a break. I know that I am far from perfect and that we all may make choices sometimes that compromise what is thought of as "right". I mean I will be the first to t tell anyone that what is right for one person may not be right for another BUT as a mother who wants to try and raise her babies to not make the same mistakes as she did and try and make sure they grow up to be decent human beings, I just do not like the idea of my kids being able to access a show such as this. I would never ever want my kids to think that they have a choice when it comes to choosing a mate. Regardless of what peoplse say about sex before marriage or unwed pregancies, they do come out of a humans "natural" feeling to have sex with the opposite sex, we may not always do it in the right fashion nor wisely but it is still very natural for a man and a woman to have sex and procreate..........there is nothing natural about homosexuality, procreation is not possible and procreation is our purpose. I think it is sick and to much for the media to glorify these acts and continue to push this mess in our faces. If people want to be gay then go ahead but keep it to yourself. I mean what do you tell a child when hes flipping through the tv and he sees to young men embraced in a tongue kiss? "oh honey they are in love and when you get old enough to choose a mate you have the choice to either choose a man or a woman". PLEASEEEEEEEEEE NOT ME AND MINE. THE LAST THING I WOULD WANT IS FOR MY DAUGHTER TO MAKE THE BAD CHOICES I DID AND GET PREGNANT YOUNG OR HAVE SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE BUT IF I HAD TO CHOOSE THAT OVER HER BEING WITH ANOTHER WOMAN.......I THINK YOU KNOW MY CHOICE.

[kiml122]

I caught the first show which was on a few weeks ago. All I have to say is that show was way out there. It was toooo raw for me. It was like it was up close and personal. It is way out there. Reading it to me is one thing, but actually seeing it on TV was something else. Even though it is cable, I still think they have gone to far. But to each his/her own. I would ask you to watch it to see what it is about though. The first 3 episodes will be rerun on new years eve. The first episode is the one that is way way way out there IMO.

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Peace
KL

[HopefulProspective]

I also saw "Queer as Folk." When I first flipped the channel and accidentally landed on showtime, my jaw hit the floor. I couldn't believe what they are showing. I kow on cable that the sexual scenes are a bit more racier than on regular network TV, but this was just out there.

[MaMaBuddha]

prettgurl,

congrats on you straight A's....

i say you are really passionate about this topic.

now, the show that you are talking about it called queer as folk. i find it quite interesting but i am what most people in this ignorant world called a "queer" i don't agree with the word because there is nothing queer about being gay except personalities.

now:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by prettygyrl:
I ran across this new show that will be airing on showtime called QUEER. I read the whole article and let me just say i think they have really pushed it to far......I mean I have nothing against homosexuals but I do have a problem with it being shoved down our throats.

i don't understand how homosexuality is being shoved down your throat. i could say that heterosexuality is shoved down my throat but then i would be wrong because that is what is considered normal. i think too long the topic of homosexuality has been dormant (sp?) so long that when characters are shown on tv, they are shown sexless which is not the case, hence... will and grace, ellen, among other shows.

The show stars all homosexual people all in there twenties, and according to the article the show has very pornagraphic sex scenes among the cast, I mean the show is supposed to be so raw that there was a list of designers including Polo, Tommy, Versace, that refused to allow any of their merchandise on the show, not only that the NFL asked that they not mention any of its teams in the show either. How far will things go? Its bad enough that we can not even hardly watch a simple tv commercial with out seeing sexual things going on but now they have devoted an entire show to homsexual sex lives.

well, the show is shown on sundays at 10 in the evening. that would be a sufficient time to air shows with raw themes because at that time children are suppose to be in bed.

also, still i see nothing with airing a show about homosexual lives...heterosexuals do it everyday.


I just do not like the idea of my kids being able to access a show such as this. I would never ever want my kids to think that they have a choice when it comes to choosing a mate. Regardless of what peoplse say about sex before marriage or unwed pregancies, they do come out of a humans "natural" feeling to have sex with the opposite sex, we may not always do it in the right fashion nor wisely but it is still very natural for a man and a woman to have sex and procreate..........there is nothing natural about homosexuality, procreation is not possible and procreation is our purpose. I think it is sick and to much for the media to glorify these acts and continue to push this mess in our faces. If people want to be gay then go ahead but keep it to yourself.


we come out natural....i think not!!!!

i am sure nobody wants their child to be gay or lesbian. but it happens and there are several children and teens that hide in the closet, that are scared to talk to their parents and friends because of what people think and even commit suicide. that is the most terrible feeling. the media is not glorifying the act but letting people know that is does exist and sometimes the media even works against us by creating the thoughts in people heads about how homosexuals live and how premiscuious (sp)homosexuals are when in reality heterosexuals are just as premiscuious(sp). that is almost like saying AIDs is for gays...

mean what do you tell a child when hes flipping through the tv and he sees to young men embraced in a tongue kiss? "oh honey they are in love and when you get old enough to choose a mate you have the choice to either choose a man or a woman".

that is something you should explain to your child, because the worst thing in the world to bring your child up on ignorance. It is your duty as a parent to explain the different between heterosexual and homosexuals. sometimes in their lives they are gonna confront someone who is homosexual. and no matter what you say your child does have a choice and will be exposed it. they will come across it in topics in school, some ignorant person will use the word fag or dyke , they might have a friend that might confide in them about their sexuality, they will have someone influential in their lives that might be gay or lesbian or or....i will leave that alone...


i see nothing wrong with the sexual contents of the show since it's on cable when we have commericals and regular shows on primetime that are as just explicit.


that is my $1913 dollars worth for today...

Theeee MaMaBuddha...


today showtimes...tommorrow the world...
closets are for clothes not people....

we're here...we're queer...get use it to it!

[12dn94dst]

Well said Soror MaMaBuddha....but what else would I expect from a Delta Diva

[This message has been edited by 12dn94dst (edited December 20, 2000).]

[prettygyrl]

Mamabuddha......I did not refer to homosexuals as queer thats the name in the title of the show.................Now first and foremost I have not really decided how I will explain homosexuality to my children but I do know the conversation will not entail me telling them that they have a choice. THEY DO NOT! You may view homosexuality in a different way than i do, let me explain my way.......I do not view homsexuality as something someone is born as, no I believe it is a lifestyle people choose point blank. There are so many people who are homosexual now because they are fed up with the opposite sex, or there are some who claim to be homsexual then later on end up with the opposite sex(like that actress Ellen Degenres whose exgirlfriend is now dating a guy) those constitute choices. We pick up a lot from tv..the way we dress, the way we talk, the things we consume, and idea of how we want to look, and some pick up on the idea of what kinds of relationships they want to have. If children are subjected to heterosexual relationships and homosexual relationships on television they WILL start to believe that they have a choice. Heterosexuality is being pushed down your throat you say .......how so? I mean if never seen on television you do have a mommie and a daddy thats life, thats fact, thats how we got here. You nor I or anyone else on this board was concieved with two women or two men. The biological makeup of our sexual oragns are constructed opposite of a mans so to fit together.So therefore heterosexuality was "pushed" down your throat from the moment you were born, because thats natural life. Now we all know that in this day and age a lot of us engage in things that are ummmmmm for the lack of a better phrase "not ideal" BUT we also know that some things are a little more out of wack than others. For example right now as we speak we have scientists working on the idea of cloning humans, which at this point is illegal in the US but some say that this idea is ok to each his own right BUT is it really ok are we really supposed to try and create another human being through science? See that idea is wayyyyy out of wack it is not "idea" that we take dna from a person and create the exact replica of that person. Two people are not supposed to have the same DNA point being some things just are not natural even though they do happen. Homosexuality is a learned behavior. People say that everyone is coming out of the closet these days and being openly gay, is that really the case or are a lot of people just following the hype imitating the things they see and hear? I do not hate homsexuals nor do i poke fun or call them fags (as you insinuated). If someone wants to be gay be gay but do it at home. Homosexuals do not have to pretend to be straight but they do not have to be out in public all over each other or glorify it on tv. Nor should heterosexuals put so much sex on tv for that matter its too much sex on tv period. See i do not boast about being stragiht I could care less if someone knows my sexual preference its personal. At least if seen by an impressionable child heterosexual acts are much easier to explain to them than homosexual. Your right i would never want MY children to be homosexual I really think if never exposed they never would be, the more exsposure the greater their chances............................Its not the person its the homosexual act that I have a hard time with. Your right homosexuals are here and they are here to stay(they have been here for a loooooong time) so are rapists, racists, and murderers and I do not like my children to be exposed to that type of stuff either. NOW MAMBUDDHA I HAVE READ A LOT OF DIFFERENT POST FROM YOU. YOU SEEM LIKE A VERY INTELLIGENT PERSON. THE FACT THAT YOU ARE HOMSEXUAL DOES NOT TAKE AWAY FROM THAT. IT DOES NOT MAKE YOU ANY LESS OF A WOMAN OR A PERSON THAT ANY ONE ELSE. IT DOES NOT HINDER YOUR CAPABILTIES TO SUCCEED. IT WOULD NOT MAKE ME DISLIKE YOU OR ANYONE ELSE. YOUR SEXUAL LIFE IS YOUE BUSINESS I AM NOT DOWNING IT FOR YOU, THATS YOUR LIFE DO WHAT YOU WANT WITH IT. NEVERTHELESS THE TV SHOW (WHICH IS WHAT I ORIGINALLY POSTED ABOUT) IS A LITTLE MUCH TO ME AND I THINK THAT IT HAS GONE TO FAR IN TRYING TO MAKE THE POINT OF HOMOSEXUALITY IS HERE SO ACCEPT IT. IT IS HERE AND WE REALIZE IT!! BUT GEEEEZZZ. IF I WANT MY KIDS EXSPOSED TO THAT LIFESTYLE THEN LET ME EXPLAIN IT TO THEM, NOT A TV SHOW THAT THEY MIGHT RUN UP ON BY CHANCE FROM FLIPPING THROUGH THE CHANNELS.
SEE MY BEING A SINGLE MOTHER WITHOUT A HUSBAND DOES NOT TAKE AWAY ANY OF THE THE CHARACTERISTICS I NAMED OFF ABOVE FROM ME, BUT I STILL WOULD HATE TO SEE A TV SHOW THAT WAS DEDICATED TO GLORIFYING THAT LIFESTYLE AS IF IT IS COOL IF YOUNG WOMEN SET OUT TO INTENTIONALLY BECOME PREGNANT YOUNG AND NOT BE MARRIED OR OUR OF HIGHSCHOOL OR WITH ANY KIND OF ADEQUATE EDUCATION. AS WITH HOMOSEXUALITY, ITS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DEALT WITH BUT NOT SOMETHING THAT IS PREFERRED..............Oh and where I live the show comes on at about 8 or 9

[MaMaBuddha]

wow prettygyrl,

i didn't think anyone could type so much...without spacing. *lol*

by no means at all am i coming down on you and your beliefs. i am just challenging them with different view from someone who happens to be a homosexual, who has had different experiences as a person who lives this lifestyle. i, in no way insinuated that you said derrogatory things about homosexuals, please re-read the post.

now...yes many people and i say people (not specifically pointing out you) stated that this is a learned behavior and analyze it as such. all that mumbo jumbo bull crap. if i had a dollar for every person that have preached that man was made to fit women and the organs were constructed to do this, etc, etc, etc. i would be a very rich woman.

i personally do not believe that... from the moment i could think on my own i knew i was very much different sexually.

now...i will admit there are people out their that treat it a new style...here today but gone tommorrow. There are people out there that use it as an excuse because they have been hurt by men. ridiculous i think!!

but there are also people who feel attractive to the opposite sex and live as str8 folks and then come out 30 years later, realizing they have been living their lives as a lie. they want to be considered part of the norm.

as i stated in my first reponse to you...it is up to the parents to teach children about what goes on in society. hell, even when you teach a child...they will still be exposed to certain situations perhaps when you are not around. you may not want your child channel surfing to see the semi- pornographic shows on tv....but what they do not learn from tv...they learn in the streets, at school, around friends so on and so on.

think back to when you were a child and what you and your close girlfriends use to whisper about when you were on lunch break at school or at home on the phone.

the whole point to this (cause my legs are getting tired standing on this soap box ) is i totally disagree with your views on the shoving down throat of being gay...but i respect them and you don't have to accept them, that is your choice....but the bunnies are here to stay and are not going anyway...


It's not easy being gay......

MaMaB

[prettygyrl]

LOL I guess I did not space............I completely respect you and your views to Mamabuddha. Its okay to disagree. I just wanted to make sure that you know that I was not insulting you.......I don't do that.


You say its not easy being gay I can imagine...........try being a young single mother whose never been married Sometimes is this world its not easy BEING period

[MaMaBuddha]

no doubt prettygryl...i am here to educate and listen.

also there is nothing wrong with being a single parent, there are many professional successful men AND women that have raised kids on their own. i am the product of a single father and look at me..the successful beautiful, devestating, intelligent, witty, eceentrically charming, so on and so on(i am running out of adjectives )


Thee MaMaBuddha

[mahoganyday]

Merry Christmas Sorors and Sisterfriends!

Now let me say that I have a couple friends and even family members that are gay, but I'll admit that when I first saw "Queer as Folk", I thought it was a little racy. But Soror MaMaBuddha is right, any time gays are shown on tv, they are shown in a happy-go-lucky, almost juvenile light. While we see many scenes of heterosexuals in bed, we NEVER see homosexuals in this way. Even in public they are forced to hide their affection from the rest of the world. This is probably why many feel this new show is offensive. I personally don't like to watch anything that is too raunchy, but I'm just a prude! Anyway, I just wanted to say that I feel that being gay is not a choice, so why shouldn't we try to make an effort to accept people for who they are instead of forcing them to be who we want them to be.

Well, Happy Kwanzaa and Happy New year to everyone!

Tiffany

[12dn94dst]

Morning Everyone!

Work with me please, this is a long one.

I was thinking about this discussion over the weekend and a thought came to mind regarding whether or not being homosexual is a choice. I believe homosexuals are born, just as we are born African-American.

I thought back to slave times when our fore-mothers gave birth to the slave masters' illigitimate children. Some babies were born various shades of brown and some looked caucasian but all were considered to be black.

Let's fast forward a few years to when it is time for these intelligent, considerably well-educated children to make their way in the world, a world where the color of your skin could get you raped, beaten, etc. all without raising an eyebrow of the legal system. The brown toned children could not hide their race from the masses, however, they advance as far as their skintone allows. The caucasian looking children on the other hand, have a different issue on their hands. They have a choice: either claim their proud heritage and live with the mistreatment and ridicule others face, OR pass for white and achieve the "better" things in life, even though it means denying who they are. Some chose to pass, some did not.

I sumbit that those who choose to pass did so because they saw the treatment other blacks received because of their skin tone and did not wish to be treated as such. I mean, who in their right mind WANTS to be ridiculed and dehumanized on a regular basis regarding something over which they have no control? For those who did not choose to pass, being true to self was much more important than any material gain that might be had.

With that in mind, my question is how can anyone choose to be homosexual when they are ridiculed and dehumanized? How can one say being homosexual is a "fad"? There's a very good reason why more people are coming out. It's because society is becoming more accepting of the lifestyle and people are more free to be who they are. Are homosexuals as accepted as they should? No. If they were, this discussion and millions like it would not occur.

Anywho, I just wanted to share that though with y'all because I may not have another one that good this year.

Happy Kwanzaa!

Kelli

[MaMaBuddha]

soror kelli,

preach my soror....preach.

peace and blessings

life is just fabulous...just fabulous!!!!


Theeeeeee MaMaBuddha

[spankee]

If you feel this strongly all you have to do is turn the television off. It is a cable show, that airs in the evening, with a title that more than describes the content. By the way: Maybe if there were more shows about the homosexual lifestyle,without the sex-just relationships i.e. Will and Grace, there would be less intolerance. Would that be so bad? Your feelings seem to be based on religious teachings. This carries very little weight because of the many religions and variations in existence. Take an objective view of homosexuality, it may open your eyes.

[HopefulProspective]

I didn't care for the show, so I changed the channel. It was no big deal. I don't have a problem with homosexuality. My best friend/son's godmother is gay. And, I love her no less. I know that many have arguments about the religious aspects of homosexuality, but I know that my friend is a true believer in our Lord. So, I always say, to each his own. As long as they are not hurting anyone else and they are happy.

[CinnamonInsight]

I found this post very interesting. I have not had a chance to see the show.

*To prettygyrl* - I understand that you're concerned about the content of the show as you've mentioned, but I just wanted to let you know that Showtime's show isn't the only cable-aired show that your kids can come across when channel surfing. MTV airs a show called "Undressed" that approaches ALL types of sexuality and various sexual situations, but this show doesn't have the nudity (but it comes damn close on every episode). Some may look at this show as being a little on the "edgy" side at times, but that's life. Life is not always G-rated! Last, but not least congratulations on the straight A's and keep up the good work!!! Your opinions were very well stated.

*To MaMaBuddha* - All I can say is YOU GO GIRL! I've also read many of your posts and you do seem to be an articulate & intelligent woman...and you've proved it once again with your responses in this post.


Personally, I feel that people are born homosexual and I also feel that there are a few exceptions to this (ie. "There are people out there that use it as an excuse because they have been hurt by men" as MaMaBuddha stated) I don't see anything wrong with having shows that are "racy" that deal with homosexuality, heterosexuality, etc. As to whether or not one chooses to watch is a decision that lies with each individual. For children, it is the job of the parent(s) to step in. However I must say that I know that a parent cannot be with their child 24 hours of the day...but that leads into another discussion. I'm very open-minded and I must give my mom credit for that. She too was a single parent (who's also open-mided), that raised an EXCELLENT ONLY CHILD, and I know that she had to make the decisions of when and how I should be exposed to "sensitive" issues if need be. She told me everything in a straight and forward manner, which proved to be the best way...and to this day I appreciate it. *GETTING A LITTLE OFF THE SUBJECT* After I went to a sex ed. seminar at school in 4th gr. (age 9), I came home curious about what our belly buttons were for...I asked and she told me. We talked about "the birds & the bees" which also included discussion about homosexuality. *ANYWAY...GETTING BACK ON TRACK* When we'd talked about homosexuality, she never once voiced her opinions. That allowed me to have an open mind about it. However, she still monitored what I watched. It wasn't until I was 15/16 that she told me her opinions(only because I asked). I also asked her why did she tell me at a young age, and she said that she'd rather me know up front rather than hear about it from another source whether it be friends at school, tv, etc. *TO WRAP THIS UP* , life is life and we will all live it no matter what our lifestyle may be. Heterosexual relationships in depth are shown all over the world whether it be in magazines, ads, tv, movies, etc. but the minute that a homosexual relationship is shown in the same light...it's viewed as wrong, disgusting, racy, edgy, etc. Why is that? My question is how would you feel if the tables were turned and heterosexuals were the minority and homosexuals were the majority? What if our relationships (heterosexual) were the considered taboo? What if the shoe was on the other foot? Would you be openly heterosexual despite all the criticisms, stares, looks, protests, debates, etc.? What if? What if? What if? Sorry this post is SO LONG!
****************Bottom Line******************
No matter if you're straight, gay, lesbian, bisexual....it all boils down to one thing... BE HAPPY AND LOVE YOURSELF!


[This message has been edited by CinnamonInsight (edited January 14, 2001).]