Why does Kerry keep flip-flopping and straddling Iraq?

[Rudey]

Does anyone know?

-Rudey

[hoosier]

Zell says it all.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by hoosier
Zell says it all.

Hmm Zell is one of those Democrats that doesn't seem to agree with Kerry. It's funny that former Mayor Ed Kotch of NY felt the same way. And didn't Zell introduce Clinton at the Democratic convention at one point?

http://www.kerryoniraq.com/

I believe this documentary says it best.

Do the Democrats have a response on why Kerry is a straddler on Iraq?

-Rudey

[The1calledTKE]

Zell hasn't been a Democrat in 2 years. He is just staying a Democrat for the shock value to try to help out Bush. He has voted along the Republican party line the last 2 years.

I do find the anti Zell commericals here in GA funny. Has the speach I believe from either 2000 or 2002 were Zell was demanding Bush must go.

[KSigkid]

Yes, Zell gave the keynote at the 1992 Convention I believe. People's likes/dislikes change over time; Zell's in his last term, correct? I thought I heard he was retiring after his term ended.

I'm curious to see what he says in his speech.

[IowaStatePhiPsi]

Originally posted by KSigkid
Zell's in his last term, correct?

And only term.

[KSigkid]

Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
And only term.

True, but he was governor for quite a while in the state, and has been a legislator for many years.

[Love_Spell_6]

Originally posted by Rudey
Does anyone know?

-Rudey

Because he can.

People voting for Kerry don't really want the truth, they just want someone to tell them what they want to hear...and Kerry delivers that 100% of the time.

Originally posted by Rudey
Does anyone know?

-Rudey

Ketchup?

[Rudey]

Seriously does anyone know? Come on Brandon I know you're a Democrat so could you explain? Perhaps you have read more on Kerry than I have.

Regardless of whether Zell is a favorite of the Democrat party or not, he is still a Democrat.

-Rudey

[The1calledTKE]

I think he voted for the war because thats what the people of his state wanted at the time. I think he has always been anti war. He voted not to fund the war because the tide of opinion started to sway and he felt safer voting the way he feels. Personally I think any politican should vote for what a majority of his/her state wants. Same goes the president. They are voted on to represent the people so why not vote the way the majrority wants him to. Is it better to vote solely on personal beliefs even though a majority may be against it? I may disagree with the majorirty on some issues but I don't blame politicians voting with the majorority. He is catholic and doesn't favor abortion. But a slight majority do and a great majority in his party does. So he goes against his personal beliefs to give the majority what they want. Thats what he was voted in to do.

Well thats how I see it all. If people call it flip flopping and dislike him because he doesn't soley vote on his beliefs then thats fine don't vote for him.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by The1calledTKE
I think he voted for the war because thats what the people of his state wanted at the time. I think he has always been anti war. He voted not to fund the war because the tide of opinion started to sway and he felt safer voting the way he feels. Personally I think any politican should vote for what a majority of his/her state wants. Same goes the president. They are voted on to represent the people so why not vote the way the majrority wants him to. Is it better to vote solely on personal beliefs even though a majority may be against it? I may disagree with the majorirty on some issues but I don't blame politicians voting with the majorority. He is catholic and doesn't favor abortion. But a slight majority do and a great majority in his party does. So he goes against his personal beliefs to give the majority what they want. Thats what he was voted in to do.

Well thats how I see it all. If people call it flip flopping and dislike him because he doesn't soley vote on his beliefs then thats fine don't vote for him.

I don't see him as voting with his constituency. Brandon I drew you into this because I knew it would be difficult for you to defend it.

This is Kerry's biggest weakness. He says he is for the war and WMD do not matter. He says he is anti-war. I'm sorry but the two simply can't match.

The fact is that Republicans are able to put pressure on Bush to adopt certain policies. That is why the Log Cabin Republicans are moving to try and counter other Republicans who are against gay marriage. Why is it that Kerry supporters are so unable to get him to start adopting policies and not straddling them? This by the way is different from voting for something, seeing the situation change totally, and voting for something else. This is not adopting a clear position so you are able to adopt it if things go well and dodge it if things don't.

-Rudey

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by Love_Spell_6
Because he can.

People voting for Kerry don't really want the truth, they just want someone to tell them what they want to hear...and Kerry delivers that 100% of the time.

I'm voting for Kerry because I don't think John Ashcroft belongs within 50 miles of my uterus and because I don't think religion should ever be forced on people.

Thanks for playing, though.

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
I'm voting for Kerry because I don't think John Ashcroft belongs within 50 miles of my uterus and because I don't think religion should ever be forced on people.

Thanks for playing, though.

you're seriously voting based on one and a half issues?


Guys, come on - the religious right is such a small (loud, annoying, insipid) part of the Republican Party - most of us don't even acknowledge them, and any bones tossed to them in platforming will be quickly killed by moderates on the floor.

Also - I seriously cannot imagine a scenario in which Roe v. Wade gets overturned . . . you can call me idealistic or naive, but I feel that the 'chicken little' act is a little overplayed, seeing as people have done it every time a Republican gained office since 1980.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by KSig RC
you're seriously voting based on one and a half issues?


Guys, come on - the religious right is such a small (loud, annoying, insipid) part of the Republican Party - most of us don't even acknowledge them, and any bones tossed to them in platforming will be quickly killed by moderates on the floor.

Also - I seriously cannot imagine a scenario in which Roe v. Wade gets overturned . . . you can call me idealistic or naive, but I feel that the 'chicken little' act is a little overplayed, seeing as people have done it every time a Republican gained office since 1980.

I wonder if people would have voted for a Republican prior to 1980 when the religious right was a voting bloc in the Democrat party.

-Rudey