Israel to tempt hunger strikers

[IowaStatePhiPsi]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...323EDT0535.DTL

Pork-chop anyone?

[Kevin]

So Mr. Terrorist says he'll kill himself through starvation if they don't do what he wants them to?

I say don't look a gift horse in the mouth. These guys starve to death and you've just solved one of Israel's larger problems

[_Opi_]

^ How do you know they are ALL terrorists?

[Kevin]

Originally posted by _Opi_
^ How do you know they are ALL terrorists?

Nice of you to take me seriously there. That wasn't my intention at all.

But now that you mention it, I believe the people that are mentioned here are in jail for either actually acting in some kind of resistance capacity or supporting terrorism.

In either event, if they want to starve themselves to death, they're doing Israel a favor.

Kind of humorous though to see Palestinians attempting nonviolent methods of resistance.

[_Opi_]

Originally posted by ktsnake
Nice of you to take me seriously there. That wasn't my intention at all.

But now that you mention it, I believe the people that are mentioned here are in jail for either actually acting in some kind of resistance capacity or supporting terrorism.

In either event, if they want to starve themselves to death, they're doing Israel a favor.

Kind of humorous though to see Palestinians attempting nonviolent methods of resistance.

Ktsnake, I was just curious is all. I thought the article said that they wanted better conditions inside the prison, and that's why they are going through with the hunger strike. They are not even doing it to get out of prison. Its a peaceful protest and a way to get the message through, as opposed to other means. It's actually not that funny!

[Rudey]

Originally posted by ktsnake
Nice of you to take me seriously there. That wasn't my intention at all.

But now that you mention it, I believe the people that are mentioned here are in jail for either actually acting in some kind of resistance capacity or supporting terrorism.

In either event, if they want to starve themselves to death, they're doing Israel a favor.

Kind of humorous though to see Palestinians attempting nonviolent methods of resistance.

Exactly. They get in trouble for essentially running terrorist operations from prison and for smuggling contraband out of their prisons so what happens? Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Fatah (all terrorist organizations) organize hunger strikes.

-Rudey
--Let the animals feast on each other

[Kevin]

Originally posted by _Opi_
Ktsnake, I was just curious is all. I thought the article said that they wanted better conditions inside the prison, and that's why they are going through with the hunger strike. They are not even doing it to get out of prison. Its a peaceful protest and a way to get the message through, as opposed to other means. It's actually not that funny!

Ironic then? That such violent murderers would resort to nonviolent means of trying to get their way?

I guess when you take away their bombs, that's all they can do.

Whatever they're getting right now is like a 5* hotel compared to what I'd be offering them were I in charge.

[_Opi_]

^ So you know the details of all their crimes? I didn't read all that in the article.

[Kevin]

Originally posted by _Opi_
^ So you know the details of all their crimes? I didn't read all that in the article.

Here's what they're asking for (according to the Tehran Times -- is that biased enough for you?)

" Mohammed said they are also demanding the removal of separation glasses from visiting rooms, the installation of public telephones, the banning of "humiliating" body searches of stripped prisoners, and an end to punishments confining prisoners in tiny cells."

http://www.tehrantimes.com/Descripti...&Cat=4&Num=002

Meanwhile, for the terrorists on the outside, it's business as usual (from same Tehran Times article):

" The Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, an armed offshoot of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement, threatened Sunday to abduct Israeli soldiers in a bid to secure the release of prisoners.

"We reiterate our call for our fighters everywhere to conduct more special operations and focus on the kidnapping of Israeli soldiers," the organisation said in a statement faxed to AFP's offices in Gaza.

Israel released around 400 Palestinian prisoners in January as part of a controversial exchange deal with the Lebanese-based Hezbollah militia, in exchange for the liberation of an abducted Israeli businessman.

Meanwhile a Palestinian was shot dead Sunday by an Israeli border policeman he had stabbed in the throat near an entrance to Jerusalem's Old City.

The border policeman was said to be in a moderate condition after the attack near Damascus Gate by a man who had already served five years in prison for another knife attack.

National police spokesman Gil Kleiman said that the officer had been attacked from behind.

"The Palestinian approached him from behind and slashed his throat," Kleiman told AFP. "The border policeman turned round, shot him with his M-16 rifle and killed the Palestinian."

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I think you're forgetting that these are murderers, killers that will stab you in the back and then go and feel that they are doing God's work. Despicable human beings.

You know what the Israeli prison system has done to try and discourage the roughly 1427 out of 8000 Palestinian prisoners from this behavior?

They've taken away their candy, cigarettes and TV time. Yeah, they sould like some vicious evil people.

What these prisoners are asking for are priviliges that not even prisoners in the US get. They're not being treated inhumanely, they're just wanting security loosened so that they can commit terrorist acts from within the prison walls.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by _Opi_
^ So you know the details of all their crimes? I didn't read all that in the article.

Do you?

Let's repeat.

Certain prisoners were leading terrorist operations from jail. Certain prisoners were smuggling illegal items through their children during their visits.

Most of the prisoners in those jails were high security prisoners - meaning most likely terrorists. Most are affiliated with terror groups like Hamas, Jihad, and Fatah.

Hamas, Jihad, and Fatah (terrorist groups) called for a hunger strike. Usually members of your organization follow your calls, hence said members are terrorists part of Hamas, Fatah, and Jihad.

-Rudey

[_Opi_]

Ksnake and Rudey,

According to the article :

The hunger strikers are pressing for greater access to phones, more family visits and an end to strip searches. Many prisoners have not seen their families because an Israel security closure restricts Palestinians from entering Israel.

In the past four years, Israeli troops have rounded up thousands of Palestinians on suspicion they were involved in attacks that have killed nearly 1,000 Israelis. Nearly 3,000 Palestinians have also died in the conflict.

The issue of prisoners is especially sensitive to Palestinians, many of whom have relatives or friends who have been imprisoned by Israel.

They are so despicable, they don't even demand to be out of jail, they want to see their families! If they want to see their families, I think there could be some measures that the Isreali government can take to monitor their interaction, but not letting them see their families at all?

Second paragraph, 1000 isrealis, 3000 palestinians? hmmm, and they don't even KNOW if these people are the ones who killed the 1000!

Crimes have always been run in the prison system, everywhere. Its no different here.

I think you're forgetting that these are murderers, killers that will stab you in the back and then go and feel that they are doing God's work. Despicable human beings.

Actually we got those here too.

Hamas, Jihad, and Fatah (terrorist groups) called for a hunger strike.

I read no such thing in the article. Mind posting where you got your references from?

[_Opi_]

Double post

[Rudey]

Lady those people are in prison. These aren't Arab prisons. The so called Palestinian Authority randomly jails who it wants. They walk into hospital and jails and lop grenades at these "criminals". Political opponents and homosexuals are labelled as collaborators and shot in town squares for all to see. There are trials. Again these aren't Arab dictator prisons.

Mind posting what? Why don't you go out and look in the newspaper?????? Is that too hard for you to do? Fine The strike was organized by the main Palestinian factions — Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Fatah.

-Rudey

Originally posted by _Opi_
Ksnake and Rudey,

According to the article :




They are so despicable, they don't even demand to be out of jail, they want to see their families! If they want to see their families, I think there could be some measures that the Isreali government can take to monitor their interaction, but not letting them see their families at all?

Second paragraph, 1000 isrealis, 3000 palestinians? hmmm, and they don't even KNOW if these people are the ones who killed the 1000!

Crimes have always been run in the prison system, everywhere. Its no different here.



Actually we got those here too.



I read no such thing in the article. Mind posting where you got your references from?

[_Opi_]

Being outside of curfew can land you in prison "dear". I am going by the discussion about the article and the article says:

"In the past four years, Israeli troops have rounded up thousands of Palestinians on suspicion they were involved in attacks that have killed nearly 1,000 Israelis. Nearly 3,000 Palestinians have also died in the conflict. "

Again these aren't Arab dictator prisons.

And I suppose having a cookout is the very civil thing to do?


Thanks for the link though. Here's another one: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3569760.stm

The Palestinians are presenting the strike as non-political. Their demands include:


guards to stop conducting strip searches

more frequent contact with families; organisers say 40% of inmates are currently denied any visits

improved sanitary conditions

access to public telephones

[Rudey]

Israel doesn't randomly go in and pick up people and then use its small meager budget to house them and to guard them. Israel used proper intelligence and also court trials to gather these people. Again you have absolutely no idea who these people are yet you keep acting as if they might be innocent. You are not showing any evidence of it. The articles you post show nothing of it. In fact that one quote doesn't even apply only to this situation and can be for many prisons.

These people are following the orders of 3 terrorist organizations to go on a hunger strike. These terrorists who landed in prison for terrorist acts are now following the orders of terrorist organizations.

And yes it is very civil. It is civil because these animals will be convinced to eat and stay alive. Let them feed off each other, let them die, I doubt most people would care what terrorists who landed in prison because of terrorist acts and then follow the orders of terrorist organization do to each other.

And what was the point of the BBC article??? At the end of the day these terrorists want to be able to smuggle goods to their families and to run terrorist operations from jail - the reasons why those measures are in place. They don't want to be strip searched? This is new to high security prisons?? Denial of visits? Every prison in the world regulates visits from the outside and when you smuggle illegal goods why wouldn't they prevent visits for you? Access to public phones??? So they can send another terrorist to kill someone?? Improved sanitary conditions? Well I'm sure they can ask Hamas to fund Israeli prisons and they can have that.

-Rudey

Originally posted by _Opi_
Being outside of curfew can land you in prison "dear". I am going by the discussion about the article and the article says:

"In the past four years, Israeli troops have rounded up thousands of Palestinians on suspicion they were involved in attacks that have killed nearly 1,000 Israelis. Nearly 3,000 Palestinians have also died in the conflict. "






And I suppose having a cookout is the very civil thing to do?


Thanks for the link though. Here's another one: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3569760.stm