Help:He's wrong and we're right or why uneducated men should not be in charge of rush

ISUKappa · #1 08-14-2004, 12:40 AM

So there was a slight scandal at the chapter I advise. They gave a bid to girl last spring through COR, which she accepted (I'm fairly certain she signed her card with the Greek Office, her information was for sure sent into our headquarters as an official new member.)

Well, the weeks pass and she decides not to initiate. Girls are kind of concerned, but she's also in track so they know she's busy. More weeks pass and it comes down the grapevine that she's decided to depledge. (Whether or not she "officially" told the chapter, I'm unsure. She may have, the end of the semester was fairly hectic for our president.)

Then we come to find out that she's signed up for Formal Recruitment and we're all like, Wuh Huh? She can't do that!

But the Greek Adviser at the school (who is male) says that informal is different and doesn't count. Um... no, right? A bid is a bid is a bid whether it was extended during formal or informal recruitment and the NPC-mandated year-wait is still in effect, is it not?

The girls in the chapter are pretty much over it, they're going to drop the girl like a hot potato after the first day since it's fairly obvious she didn't want to be here but I'm rather peeved at the advisor if he's giving out false information. Who knows what else he's misadvising to these chapters??

So, are we right and he's wrong? Technically, the girl shouldn't be going through formal recruitment, right??

If I'm wrong, hey, I learned something new. If I'm right, I think I'll have our Membership Adviser say something to him.

Xylochick216 · #2 08-14-2004, 12:42 AM

The way I understand it is you can't accept any bid one calendar year after accepting one regardless of if recruitment is formal or informal. I'm sure someone else will know for sure, but I definitely think you're right in this case.

texas*princess · #3 08-14-2004, 01:09 AM

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Originally posted by Xylochick216
The way I understand it is you can't accept any bid one calendar year after accepting one regardless of if recruitment is formal or informal. I'm sure someone else will know for sure, but I definitely think you're right in this case.

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exlurker · #4 08-14-2004, 01:11 AM

ISUKappa, the chapter and/or your chapter or regional recruitment advisor may want to check the Green Book on this issue. It appears to be related to an NPC Unanimous Agreement issue. You can view what I believe is the relevant Unanimous Agreement in the "Policies" section on the NPC web site -- scroll down until you come to the bold heading beginning with Roman numeral III. I think it's the third paragraph under that heading.

NPC site:

http://www.npcwomen.org

I wonder if the Greek Life person is looking at it as "there's nothing to keep her from going through recruitment." That might, I suppose, be the case, if the requirements for going through recruitment are basically enrollment, a certain GPA, and whatever else the school and Panhellenic have established.

However, IF I'm reading that Unanimous Agreement excerpt correcly, the woman in question can't be bid by another NPC sorority on her campus until one calendar year from when she got her bid. But don't take my word for it; check it out with a real authority, please.

PsychTau · #5 08-14-2004, 08:59 AM

She is not eligible for a bid.

Now, as far as her being able to go through Formal Recruitment, I'm sure there's nothing in the Green Book preventing her from going through recruitment, but she cannot get a bid in the end. She has to wait one calendar year. The Green Book defines the calendar year as "approximate"....meaning if she pledged on September 1st, then drops 2 months later, she can return to Formal Recruitment and accept a new bid if Formal Recruitment the next year actually ends on August 30th. (In other words, the dates don't have to EXACTLY match if it's talking about Formal).

I would talk with the NPC Area Adviser to see how the waiting period is defined for COR. The other solution to this would be to bring it up in the VERY NEXT Panhellenic Meeting or the Panhellenic Recruitment Committee meeting. Discuss it with the other chapter delegates and have them discuss with their National Counterparts if they want. By doing this, you've given them the heads up on this girl (yes, use her name) and you don't have to worry about her any more. She might get dropped the first day if she cannot be bid and takes up a spot for an eligible PNM. (and hopefully the other chapters will figure that out. If not, say that in the Panhellenic Meeting...."We need to figure this out because she might not be eligible for a bid and she would be taking up a spot for an eligible PNM. That would be awful to lose out on a member just because of that confusion. Let's figure this out....")

Let us know how this turns out.
PsychTau

texas*princess · #6 08-14-2004, 09:24 AM

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Originally posted by exlurker
I wonder if the Greek Life person is looking at it as "there's nothing to keep her from going through recruitment."

How would this normally be done in schools? Would they inform the girl in question that she is not eligable for a bid? Or would they just let her go thru recruitment and let all the chapters release her?

ThetaPrincess24 · #7 08-14-2004, 10:29 AM

My college has an uneducated guy as our greek advisor too.

He has no clue as to how NPC recruitment works or how quota is supposed to be calculated (but that's a separate story).

He also shows favoritism to a couple of sorority chapters too over the other 6 which ticks off a lot of people. He came into this job rigth after graduating as an undergraduate I think and was greek at my school. He still knows people in the system, thus contributing to his bias.

My chapter is havign a bit of a problem with him not properly verifying GPA and cummulative credit hours for a PNM that we took in the Spring and it turns out she wasnt even eligible for recruitment much less eligible to join us. But now she's initiated, on scholastic probation and univeristy probation and not too much we can do other than scholastic probation things...........grrrrrrr

bluefish81 · #8 08-14-2004, 11:21 AM

Kari,
I'm pretty sure that you're right. Once a PNM accepts the bid, she has to wait a year to do the process all over again. And she should be on file with the university, especially if your HQ has the information, so he should know that she isn't eligible to accept a bid from a chapter until the spring at the earliest. I guess she could go through Formal and all if she wants to see all the houses, but I don't think she should be eligible to receive a bid.

aephi alum · #9 08-14-2004, 11:50 AM

You are right. As I understand it, if you accept a bid from informal recruitment, start the new member process, then depledge, you cannot accept a bid from another sorority for one year from when you accepted the first bid. If you receive a bid but do not accept it, you are free to accept a bid from another sorority.

Formal recruitment is slightly different. If you turn in a signed pref card and get a bid from a sorority you listed, you are bound to that sorority for one year even if you decline the bid.

So this woman should not be eligible to receive a bid from FR or from COB this fall.

sageofages · #10 08-14-2004, 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by ISUKappa
So there was a slight scandal at the chapter I advise. They gave a bid to girl last spring through COR, which she accepted (I'm fairly certain she signed her card with the Greek Office, her information was for sure sent into our headquarters as an official new member.)

Well, the weeks pass and she decides not to initiate. Girls are kind of concerned, but she's also in track so they know she's busy. More weeks pass and it comes down the grapevine that she's decided to depledge. (Whether or not she "officially" told the chapter, I'm unsure. She may have, the end of the semester was fairly hectic for our president.)

Then we come to find out that she's signed up for Formal Recruitment and we're all like, Wuh Huh? She can't do that!

But the Greek Adviser at the school (who is male) says that informal is different and doesn't count. Um... no, right? A bid is a bid is a bid whether it was extended during formal or informal recruitment and the NPC-mandated year-wait is still in effect, is it not?

The girls in the chapter are pretty much over it, they're going to drop the girl like a hot potato after the first day since it's fairly obvious she didn't want to be here but I'm rather peeved at the advisor if he's giving out false information. Who knows what else he's misadvising to these chapters??

So, are we right and he's wrong? Technically, the girl shouldn't be going through formal recruitment, right??

If I'm wrong, hey, I learned something new. If I'm right, I think I'll have our Membership Adviser say something to him.

In this situation, you may have to get the NPC adviser in your area (are you at ISU?) involved to educate this "Greek Adviser". It may be helpful to see if there are any other members of a GLO on the University Administration, that can also advise the ill informed staff person.

OR

You should contact the member of your National Council who is your National NCP delegate to step in with the campus (that is what Phi Mu does..you contact your area NPC Delegate/alternate who addresses this matter on the chapter's behalf. Keeps the tensions down this way)

trisigmaAtl · #11 08-14-2004, 12:13 PM

I would maybe have a sit down with him and bring a copy of the green book (panhellenic should have one somewhere, if your chapter doesn't), find the agreement, and just ask in a non-provocative way "we're not trying to be vindictive here, but this is the information we have regarding this policy, and this is the authority on the subject...are we misinterpreting? is there a possibility that you are? we just want to be educated so that we do the right thing and know what's going on." I don't see how he could argue with the text, and that way it wouldn't look like your chapter was just trying to burn the girl. It's a rule to keep everyone from pledging and depledging willy-nilly. the choice to join a sorority is a serious committment, and bending that rule for one person makes room for others.

HotDamnImAPhiMu · #12 08-14-2004, 12:14 PM

What a mess!

btw, I think your chapter is handing this quite maturely, having already made up its mind to drop her should she be able to get through formal rush before you get the matter resolved. I'm used to hearing schemes of blackballing her campus-wide and plots to make sure her great-grand-neices don't get bids!

ISUKappa · #13 08-14-2004, 06:28 PM

I'm at the U of Iowa and Formal Recruitment starts next week. I'll try and call some people on Monday and see where I can get with this. I think I would rather have an NPC delegate speak with the Greek Advisor as opposed to just a general member of an NPC group. And the current VP of Recruitment for Panhellenic is a Kappa so maybe she can turn this situation into an informative roundtable for one of her Membership meetings after Formal Recruitment is over.

Thanks! I love hearing when I'm right!

dakareng · #14 08-14-2004, 09:51 PM

You might want to try emailing your NPC delegate this weekend. If your recruitment is next week, time is of the essence. The NPC delegates I know check their email several times/ day this time of year to ensure that chapters get prompt attention. You should be able to find your NPC delegate's email on your international website (it might be on the sisters-only side). Good luck (your instincts were right on... and your adviser needs to study his Green Book!!)

Kevin · #15 08-15-2004, 09:33 AM

[devil's advocate]

So why are y'all wanting to prevent a girl from going through Rush? So she didn't gel with your group. What's to say that she won't gel with another?

As I understand it, her level of involvement was putting her name on a piece of paper. Yeah, you probably COULD get her kicked out of rush. But really, what good purpose would that serve?

[/ devil's advocate]