my snubs

kwazi19 · #1 07-05-2004, 09:54 AM

you can make an excellent case for Pedro but his slow start really hurt his chances. I thought Lyle Overbay deserved to be on the NL Roster and baseball rules are ridiculous in the effect that Beltran gets voted in and gets traded and he is only allowed to participate in everything up to the game and not the game itself.

From a Red Sox standpoint (im a diehard) we need to send a message to this team whether it is trading D. Lowe or just eating his salary and realising him b/c he gives us NO chance at victory at all when he takes the mound!

Thrillhouse · #2 07-05-2004, 03:52 PM

I agree on the Overbay slight. I realize that his position was crowded but he had the numbers like anyone else who is going had.

I thought Loaiza going ahead of Buerhle was questionable for the white sox representative.

Munchkin03 · #3 07-05-2004, 04:18 PM

Lowe has been the suck as of late. Usually, the Sox can do no wrong in my book, even when they're losing. But he's the reason WHY.

mu_agd · #4 07-05-2004, 04:32 PM

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Originally posted by Munchkin03
Lowe has been the suck as of late. Usually, the Sox can do no wrong in my book, even when they're losing. But he's the reason WHY.

what she said. exactly what she said.

KSigkid · #5 07-05-2004, 08:27 PM

Lowe has been AWFUL this season; he's a mediocre pitcher who had one good season, and that's it. If the Sox can get ANY value for him, they should do it; give Arroyo the spot in the rotation. (this is not just because I'm a Yankees fan)

I think Overbay was the biggest snub; I'm not sure Pedro was much of a snub at all, his season, while solid, hasn't exactly been All-Star worthy. When you're one of the top two or three pitchers of the last 25 years though, missing an All-Star game isn't so bad.

As a Yankees fan, I'll even admit that Giambi didn't deserve to go. Jeter I'm more torn about; he's been lights out the past couple of months, and his overall numbers are solid in an off-year for shortstops. Guillen would start over him on merit, but I think Jeter may have done enough offensively to earn a place on the team.

thermobryan · #6 07-05-2004, 10:51 PM

Overbay deserves to be there yes...But Adrian Beltre is tearing it up right now and holding up the entire dodger team...

KSig RC · #7 07-05-2004, 11:26 PM

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Originally posted by KSigkid
Lowe has been AWFUL this season; he's a mediocre pitcher who had one good season, and that's it. If the Sox can get ANY value for him, they should do it; give Arroyo the spot in the rotation. (this is not just because I'm a Yankees fan)

He's awful. It physically pains me to see him on the mound, and I'm serious too.

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Originally posted by KSigkid
I think Overbay was the biggest snub; I'm not sure Pedro was much of a snub at all, his season, while solid, hasn't exactly been All-Star worthy. When you're one of the top two or three pitchers of the last 25 years though, missing an All-Star game isn't so bad.

He, and Beltre. Although Beltre is a classic "contract year" case . . .

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Originally posted by KSigkid
As a Yankees fan, I'll even admit that Giambi didn't deserve to go. Jeter I'm more torn about; he's been lights out the past couple of months, and his overall numbers are solid in an off-year for shortstops. Guillen would start over him on merit, but I think Jeter may have done enough offensively to earn a place on the team.

Jeter makes it; it's the A-Rod corrolary: time+success=benefit of the doubt (and deservedly). Plus, he's a fan favorite - they want to see him, and he puts on a great show (as well as his community work etc.) . . . he's really the reason why there is an all-star game. (I still hate him)

Giambi, however . . . somebody put him on the juice again.

He's also very lucky Sosa jacked himself up sneezing, or 'intestinal parasites' would be the highlight of my season to date . . . so funny, let the syphilis jokes begin.

Sister Havana · #8 07-05-2004, 11:58 PM

Aramis Ramirez should have gone ahead of Mike Lowell. He's had an excellent year so far. However, he is the favorite to win the NL final vote so he still could make it.

thermobryan · #9 07-06-2004, 12:01 AM

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He, and Beltre. Although Beltre is a classic "contract year" case . . .

Look at the last half of beltre's year last yr...Ever since then he's been on fire, maybe it is the contract yr case, but we'll see after this yr i guess...

KSigkid · #10 07-06-2004, 06:48 AM

The biggest thing about Beltre is he's only 25...it seems like he's been around forever, and he's just at the age where most guys are getting called up. Is he starting to turn the corner into star status? We'll see.

thermobryan · #11 07-06-2004, 04:42 PM

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Originally posted by KSigkid
The biggest thing about Beltre is he's only 25...it seems like he's been around forever, and he's just at the age where most guys are getting called up. Is he starting to turn the corner into star status? We'll see.

Yeah, its cause he lied about his age to the dodgers...He actually started playing in the majors when he was about 17...

KSig RC · #12 07-06-2004, 05:44 PM

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Yeah, its cause he lied about his age to the dodgers...He actually started playing in the majors when he was about 17...

IIRC, the Dodgers knew the whole time - in fact, although never proven, it was pretty much taken as fact that they arranged for the BC to say he was 17 (when in fact he was 15).

They lost draft picks, I believe, as part of the resolution - and another prospect was released from his contract.

Interesting situation - something everyone probably does, but the Dodgers got caught . . .

It will certainly be interesting to see Beltre develop - he's always had the raw skills, but lacked the mentality, apparently - perhaps he's maturing a bit?

KSigkid · #13 07-06-2004, 08:30 PM

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Originally posted by thermobryan
Yeah, its cause he lied about his age to the dodgers...He actually started playing in the majors when he was about 17...

That all happened around the time a lot of players were having their real ages discovered. A few players lost prospect status because of it.

Either way he's still young and may be peaking at the right time. Or it could just be because he's in a walk year...who knows.

The1calledTKE · #14 07-06-2004, 10:08 PM

Lol I love the bostondirtdog's quote on Boston's win over Oakland tonight.

"Zito Pitches Like D-Lowe"

KSigkid · #15 07-07-2004, 10:17 AM

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Originally posted by The1calledTKE
Lol I love the bostondirtdog's quote on Boston's win over Oakland tonight.

"Zito Pitches Like D-Lowe"

It's kind of funny - last year when D-Blow was being bashed in the press, he said that if Zito (who at the time had a losing record) was in Boston, he would get it even worse because of his record.

The problem was this; although Lowe's record was better, Zito had a better ERA, more strikeouts, and had gotten less run support. Zito was actually pitching MUCH better than Lowe, and I feel like the Boston fans would have recognized that.