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Old 04-25-2002, 08:06 PM
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Injustice to the Bruhs at Southern U.?

I have read many different versions and opinions as to who was in the wrong. You be the judge.



Omega's Suspended

by Gary Holloway
April 19, 2002


Southern University has placed the Beta Sigma Chapter of Omega Psi Phi Fraternity Incorporated, on suspension.

The fraternity was suspended stemming from two separate incidents that occurred this past weekend.

According to Joseph K. Byrd, Vice President of Student Services at Xavier University, the Beta Sigma Chapter of the fraternity won second place ( and a$750.00 check) in a step show at Xavier University.

In a statement released to Robert Bennett, director of student life, Byrd claims that as they were exiting the gymnasium one member stated "we followed your rules and did a clean show and you still f*#ked over us! F*%k it and f#@k you!"

The next night on April 13 Louisiana State University sponsored a Springfest Greek Step Show at the Pete Maravich Assembly Center. A police report released by Lieutenant Robert Jones of LSUPD states that the Omegas received second place in the contest, which the Alpha Phi Alpha fraternity from LSU won the first place prize. As the first place check, worth $3000, was being awarded to Alpha Phi Alpha one member of Omega Psi Phi jumped up and grabbed the check tearing it.

The check was then grabbed back by members of Alpha Phi Alpha, when members of Omega Psi Phi began jumping on stage and fighting with members of Alpha Phi Alpha. An estimated 30 people took part in the brawl and approximately eight officers arrived on the scene to disperse the crowd. With help from other fraternity members the fight was broken up in about four minutes. Officers were able to prevent a second effort by both fraternities to continue fighting.

Also included in the statement by Jones is that he spoke with several witnesses and some said that it was Southern Universities’ Omegas combined with Omegas from LSU who instigated the situation.

In a letter sent to Omega Psi Phi Fraternity Inc., by Bennett he informed the fraternity that after a thorough investigation of the altercation the Omegas were found guilty of fighting. The investigation consisted of series of interviews and a conference with the Dean of Students at LSU.

"This incident is totally embarrassing to Southern University, the fraternity and the entire community of Baton Rouge," said Bennett.

He informed the fraternity that was placing the members of the Beta Sigma Chapter of Omega Psi Phi on suspension until the Spring of 2003; the suspension was to start upon immediate receipt of the notice, which was handed out on Tuesday April 16.

Due to the suspension members of Omega Psi Phi can not wear their letters, have programs, or participate in any campus activities. They must also complete 100 hours of campus service with Eli Guillory at the Physical Plant before next spring. Any further violations of the rules may result in expulsion of the fraternity.

Darian Howard, President of the Beta Sigma Chapter of Omega Psi Phi Fraternity Inc., sent a written letter to the Digest, which stated:

The Beta Sigma Chapter of Omega Psi Phi Fraternity at Southern University fully intends to appeal the decision to suspend the organization until Spring 2003. In accordance with the Code of Student Conduct, Student Organizations are subject to the same provisions as that of any individual student, which warrant due process. Beta Sigma has been accused of collectively engaging in an altercation with the Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity at Louisiana State University on April 13, 2002.

No interviews were conducted with the members of the Beta Sigma Chapter, or any other Greek organization, which were present at the event.

A statement was released to the DIGEST from the Beta Sigma Chapter that read:

"We, (the Beta Sigma Chapter of Omega Psi Phi Fraternity, Inc.), agree that the incident was embarrassing to the Pan-Hellenic Counsel and to all Universities and Colleges represented. The Beta Sigma Chapter acknowledges their presence and participation in the Greek Show and our dissatisfaction with the matter in which the Greek Show was managed. However, the Beta Sigma Chapter denies our involvement in the fight that took place between the three to five individuals lasting less than four minutes. The Beta Sigma Chapter did actively participate in separating members of both organizations representing numerous chapters from several colleges and universities within the region, including the Beta Sigma Chapter of Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc., of Southern University. It is estimated that some one hundred Alphas and Omegas at both the undergraduate and graduate level were in attendance (Dillard, Xavier, LSU, Southern, Lafayette, Arkansas, Mississippi, Texas, etc.) The members of Beta Sigma are requesting a Pan-Hellenic Judiciary Hearing."

The Beta Sigma Chapter has the right to appeal the decision if new evidence is found.
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Old 04-26-2002, 01:43 PM
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Angry D#@m!!!

I spent like 30 minutes typing a detailed, heartfelt response on this topic, but I lost my connection when I hit the "Submit Reply" button.



Needless, to say, I'm gon' have to get back to y'all on this one!
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Old 04-26-2002, 08:39 PM
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My 13 cents...

Okay. I hope this makes it this time…

To summarize my opinion on this particular incident, I have to say that, while I understand the Bruhs’ frustrations, I think it was wrong of them to release their rage in the matter they chose. However, seeing as though the initial act (tearing up the check) was not an attack to/on the Alphas, I disagree that the Bruhs should be held solely accountable for the altercation that followed. I could agree that both frats should take the blame, but I honestly think that the actual FIGHT was instigated by the Alphas who opted to be reactive rather than proactive. Once the check was seized and torn, the onus fell upon the step show committee to see to it that the Alphas were compensated. But, of course, they (the Alphas) reacted as they did in an effort to not be “punked” by the Bruhs. That being said, to punish one frat and not the other—I think—is very unfair. I also find the consequences to be extremely, ridiculously, and unnecessarily severe—even more so because the Alphas didn’t get as little as a slap on the hand!

Now, as I stated earlier—I totally understand the Bruhs’ frustrations. While I wish more maturity and respect for WY F’s honor and reputation had been exemplified, I do not blame the Bruh’s for being fed up with the commercialism of stepping. There is a very Que-nique stepping-style characteristic of and mastered by ONLY the Bruhs’—ALL tradition-oriented members of the black greek family should know this. Sadly, however, the Bruhs represent the only BGLO that completely maintains a stepping legacy/tradition. All others prefer to give the crowd what they want by implementing the latest tunes, theatrics, props, and multimedia possible to arouse the applauds. And, the intensity of the applauds is usually what sways the judges (whom I’ll attack in a second) to give the scores they do. Unfortunately, stepshow audiences are packed with GDIs and new skool greeks who don’t know/appreciate the tradition of the African Boot Dance (tweaked and named “stepping”). So, the Bruhs’ tight precision, military-style steps/hops aren’t valued nearly as much as (for example) the redundant, masturbatory cane-movements the Kappas might do to “Feelin’ on Yo’ Booty.” Why? Because the silly little girls in the audience are more (for whatever reason) intrigued by that kind of stuff and they scream and clap louder for that than they do for the real stepping done by my Brilliant Bruhs.

And, what about those Nasty Shows the Bruhs are notorious for? Well—they’ve been banned for years! Any Dawg Team that comes on stage with that in mind can expect immediate disqualification. So, in my opinion, the Bruh who was quoted as saying we followed your rules and did a clean show and you still f*#ked over us! F*%k it and f#@k you! had every right to be pissed. It’s the Damned-if-I-do/Damned-if-I-don’t Syndrome that is bound to incite anger in anyone.

Nowadays, the judges are NOT qualified to judge stepshows. Folks are trying to get away from having an NPHC panel of judges because they think it’s fairer to the step teams that the judges are not greek. So, you’ve got people judging this stuff who don’t have a CLUE what it’s all about. Like the crowd, they're more fascinated by an org’s use of music, theatrics, props, and multimedia than they are with precision stepping, because they don’t understand stepping at all. And, to make matters worse, lots of shows now have white faculty/staff judges who are usually the least knowledgeable about and understanding of stepping!

Basically, step shows are DEcreasing in quality while INcreasing in admission fees! In most cases, the Bruhs are doomed from jump, even when they do damned good, rules-following shows. I feel badly for the BS Bruhs and I hope they appeal the sanction.

So, Bruh’s, even when y’all mess up, you can count on me to always have nuttin’ but COLEMAN LOVE for all of ya!

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Old 04-26-2002, 09:22 PM
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I'm sure that the Bruhs are comforted by that support. You bring up some excellent points and if I can just revisit them:

First and foremost, the Bruh who snatched the check and tore it up was wrong. There would have been no fight nor a subsequent suspension if he had acted in a mature fashion. I feel his frustration though. They had been jerked the day before in another show.

I could go on for hours about the current state of stepping but 411 said enuff.
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Old 04-28-2002, 11:56 AM
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Let me say this... To the Bruhs have been saying for years that they can't get a fair shake when in a show with 'dancing machine' frats... tHat's not true.

I've been stepshow co-ordinator for the Kappa Delta Chapter of Omega Psi Phi since 1995. At that time, my own prophytes (who finished 3rd in our National Conclave Show in Atlanta in '92), felt that they couldn't compete against the Solid Gold Dancer Frats. What I found out, is that, in shows with the whipped creme Frats, We as QUES have to get that "Ooh Ahhhh" from the crowd without selling our marching soul. So, you pimp any skills the Bruhs on the hop team have... If you have a Bruh(s) that can 'backflip', use um in the show. Don't do more than ONE slow tempo march during the show (slow marches lose the crowds attention). And finish with a BANG...

Use you ingenuity Bruhs.. and stop just saying that we're gonna lose because we don't come out party hopping to "Still Fly".

I know...
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Old 04-29-2002, 11:22 AM
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Looking for Omega's to step in the Greeknic.com stepshow in Augusta, GA
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Old 04-29-2002, 11:45 AM
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Exclamation As a brother of Alpha Phi Alpha....

I think that swamp thang's advice is well stated. You must understand that increasingly, stepshows are being promoted by people who are not in the NPHC and basically see them as ways to make money with no respect to tradition, heritage, and culture. With that being said, know the parameters of the show going in. The 411 said it best when she stated that we have a new generation of "greeks" that have no clue on tradition. They would rather see "chip-n-dales " rather than true, all out, "just put on the letters and step" shows with no music, just boots, chants, and sweat. Know this going into the show, and do not be surprised with the outcome of the show. With that being said....

I have to defend the my brothers of Alpha Phi Alpha who were acosted by the act of protest by the members of Omega Psi Phi. Men of Omega, understand this, your gripes, while valid, should have been handled with the organizers of the step show, not by trying to publically display your protest at the expense of the brothers of Alpha Phi Alpha. Let's keep in mind that we should in all things respect our repsective legacies and carry ourselves and treat each other with respect at all times. You may also have a valid way of appealing by wanting an NPHC hearing. I think that this is a great idea. I think what we are seeing here is a bastardization of the image of all NPHC oranizations, with the appropriation of our image by people who are not aware of our heritage. We have to protect against this, whether it be by copyrighting certain symbols and paraphernalia, on down to only participating in NPHC sponsored step shows where vulgarity (masked as crowd response) will not be valued as a criterion in the judging. We have to reclaim our image, our heritage, and our culture as NPHC members and not take our frustrations out on each other.
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By the411...
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I honestly think that the actual FIGHT was instigated by the Alphas who opted to be reactive rather than proactive. Once the check was seized and torn, the onus fell upon the step show committee to see to it that the Alphas were compensated. But, of course, they (the Alphas) reacted as they did in an effort to not be “punked” by the Bruhs.
This was obviously logic inspired (or blinded) by Coleman Love
How would you expect any man to respond to this? While you admit that the tearing of the check was wrong, you actually believe the Alphas instigated the fight? Let's be reasonable now.

I think Doggystyle82 said it best...
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First and foremost, the Bruh who snatched the check and tore it up was wrong. There would have been no fight nor a subsequent suspension if he had acted in a mature fashion.

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Old 04-29-2002, 01:10 PM
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Re: As a brother of Alpha Phi Alpha....

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By the411...

This was obviously logic inspired (or blinded) by Coleman Love
How would you expect any man to respond to this? While you admit that the tearing of the check was wrong, you actually believe the Alphas instigated the fight? Let's be reasonable now.

Point well taken. As per the 1st sentence of my post, I do acknowledge and admit that the Bruhs were wrong. BUT-- not even you can deny that, once the check was snatched and torn, there was obviously nothing the Alphas could do with with--so why feel the need to snatch it back in that same aggressive fashion?

I'm ain't eeeven gon' lie to ya--I'd have probably done the same thing the Alphas did, but my actions still wouldn't be correct, even if they were understandable. Fact is, most fights become fights because someone chooses not to turn the other cheek.

It's kinda like in basketball, when one player jabs another player--the instigator gets hit with a technical, UNLESS the other player retaliates, in which case there's a double technical. I am not faulting the Alphas alone--my argument is that, since the groups were fighting each other, they should both face some sanctions, even if those given to the Alphas are less severe than those given to my Bruhs.

And, as for me being blinded by Coleman Love--Guilty as charged!
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Old 04-29-2002, 03:05 PM
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I understand the turn the other cheek logic, and I will admit that the brothers of Alpha could possibly have been better served by doing so, but I do not think 99 out of 100 men of Omega would have turned the other cheek if the tables were turned. So are you, the 411, trying to say that you hold Alpha Phi Alpha to a higher standard than the men of Omega? I do not think that you would, but the logic of the original post and the defense that you later posted seems as though you want Alpha to be punished for not allowing Omega to throw a temper tandrum at the expense of Alpha, PLEASE!!! Maybe its foolish pride or masculinity speaking in me, but even when Jesus talks about turning the other cheek and Dr. King as well, it was for a greater purpose in delivering humaninty to a higher state of unity with one another. In the instance of a step show tantrum, turning the other cheek probably would have done nothing more than to get the other one slappd as well!!!
Cute basketball analogy, but ask any basketball player if they would get slapped in the face by another player and just walk away, give me the tech, but you cannot take away my pride in myself or my team, therefore I must defend myself. No lesson will be learned from the other players if he just walks away. This is a competition, not a spiritual/political struggle, the context is different, and in this case, so are the rules. For Alpha just to walk away from this would invite further intimidation later on from Omega, and even Dr. King advocated not living in fear of anything, as well as theologian Howard Thurman. I do not advocate violence, but at the same time I recognize some things are just out of my control, as long as it is in self defense and I do not institigate it, violence is a very last resort.
Blackwatch!!!!
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Old 04-29-2002, 05:28 PM
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I am a promoter of stepshows called Stomp A' Rama and Greeknic.com in the Southeast and Augusta, Georgia for eleven years.

Yes, I am Greek - Alpha Phi Alpha, '88. Yes, I am financial - Alpha Chi Lambda Graduate Chapter of Augusta, GA. My wife is a lady of Delta Sigma Theta. My sons are called "19" "06", twins.

I understand the frustration that the Omega's are going through with stepshows. There are a lot of dancing instead of stepping in these shows along with the ones I sponsor. Omega's continue to step like you step, but look deep within your organization. I saw an Omega stepteam open with music and close with music. But, they stepped their ass off in the middle. This was one of the best Omega shows that I had experience.

At the Augusta Greek Picnic Foundation, we are going to establish national rules and regulations on stepshow. Promoters and schools/universities will be asked to put these rules into action at their shows. Stepshows that are accredited will be listed on all the National Stepshows websites. If you do not find a stepshow on this website, I would caution you about stepping. Members on the committee will be selected from across the United States. There are too many other groups stepping for the NPHC to oversee this. Rules - A promoter must be a Greek before their show will receive the approval of the committee. This will help Greeks determine if they want to step in certain shows.

As a Greek, I, along with Christian of Greekfest.com, are trying to change the stepshow problem. Therefore, I have started something called the Augusta Greek Picnic Foundation a non-profit organization with a 501(c)(3) status. We have joined forces with the National Legacy Foundation. This is the first organization established for stepping. Profits from the Greeknic.com will be used for scholarships for Greeks, non-Greeks and school age children.

Yes, there are people putting on shows that are not Greek, and Greeks continue to step in these shows. These people could care less about "our legacy". Greekfest.com, Greekfeakinc.com, Philly Picnic, Delta-Ice Breaker of Savannah, Greeknic.com, Stomp A' Ramas and any homecoming stepshow are stepshows.

Brothers/Sisters of Greekdom, stepping is our legacy. There are several Greeks that are taking our steps and using them aganist us. Hell, they are sometimes better than our "9" organizations. We better wake-up before it is too late. The time is coming when you will step aganist other organizations. They are good!!

Stepping started with either the Omega's or Sigma's. We as BGLO need to embrace our legacy.

As for the problem at hand... Omega's -- find that brother and turn him in to your National Organization. As Greeks, we can't let a few destroy our legacy. Then, appeal the decision of the school. Best of luck. Contact me at 706-303-4563.
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Old 04-29-2002, 11:33 PM
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Thank you Blackwatch and Greeknic for your well-reasoned responses. I abhor violence between Black men, especially amongst Black Greeks. I feel the Bruhs at SUs frustration. I do not feel that they should have been suspended, especially over off-campus events. This is where I feel that they have an argument.

Greeknic: I also applaud you for trying to return Greek Shows from "freakshows" and back to stepping.
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Old 04-30-2002, 09:56 AM
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So are you, the 411, trying to say that you hold Alpha Phi Alpha to a higher standard than the men of Omega? I do not think that you would, but the logic of the original post and the defense that you later posted seems as though you want Alpha to be punished for not allowing Omega to throw a temper tandrum at the expense of Alpha, PLEASE!!!
Perhaps we should revisit my previous posts so that you may better understand my rebuttal:

1. In both posts, I resolved that the Bruhs were WRONG.

2. Through my basketball analogy, I was simply making the argument that, regardless of who initiated the altercation, both were active participants, and should therefore receive some sanction as a result.

3. In my 1st post I said: "But, of course, they (the Alphas) reacted as they did in an effort to not be “punked” by the Bruhs." And, in my latter post I said: "I ain't eeeven gon' lie to ya--I'd have probably done the same thing the Alphas did..." Both statements were made in efforts to demonstrate that I fully understand why the Alphas reacted as they did.

4. My last post also includes my assertion that "I am not faulting the Alphas alone--my argument is that, since the groups were fighting each other, they should both face some sanctions, even if those given to the Alphas are less severe than those given to my Bruhs."

With those contentions re-stated, I am unable to ascertain how/why you've deduced that my platform is for the Alphas to take the blame for the entire incident. YES-- the behavior of the Bruhs was indeed the catalyst to the brawl that ensued. But, the brawl wouldn't have become a brawl without the participation of your frat--whether justified or unjustified. Thus, I am merely saying that they should get a tiny smack on the hand, rather than nothing at all.

As for my b-ball analogy--which wasn't "cute" but rather, clever --I used it to focus on RULES.

Personally, if someone hits... let's say... Kevin Garnett (my favorite), in honor of his manhood, I would deem it remiss of him to not lay one back on the antagonist--HOWEVER, recognizing his important leadership role on the team, and understanding that a technical foul could possibly jeopardize his PT, I'd keep my fingers crossed that his teammates would grab him, pull him away, and calm him down. If that does not happen and KG does get 1 or 2 reciprocal punches in, then I can't blame the ref for hitting him with a tech, even though I'd be pissed if he did. Truth be told, I'd be proud that my boo didn't go out like a sucka; but, rules are rules, so I can't get my panties in a bunch because he got the tech for fighting back.

Now, to best support my argument that the Alphas aren't completely faultless, we must look at this from a different angle. Let's say KG throws the first punch. The game is tense and for whatever reason, he's frustrated. Contact is made that he considers flagrant, although no call is made by the ref. So, he retaliates by sockin' it to the player who made the contact. As coaches, teammates, and fans, we all know KG was wrong and will get a T. But, if that player starts jabbing him back and they go at it, I expect him to also get a T, even though I fully understand his response. Again, rules are rules.

In summary, I don't expect you to see/agree with my POV, particularly because your frat responded to the actions of the antagonist. Let me assure you, yet again, that I fully understand why the Alphas defended themselves. But the fact that they did makes them partially responsible in my eyes. And, while I am a loyal lover of Omega Psi Phi, my argument is primarily a derivative of objectivity and justice as I see them. Do you fully understand me now, or do you think I'm a Que-groupie who's just on their side for Pearl Points? I hope not, as there is so much more to me than meets the eye...

Merci beaucoup!

the411

PS: Love your sig. Verse 37 is one of my favorites.


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Old 05-01-2002, 04:52 AM
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I feel the Bruhs at SUs frustration. I do not feel that they should have been suspended, especially over off-campus events. This is where I feel that they have an argument.



Doggy, I respectfully disagree with that statement. It is a long-standing rule among many school districts and colleges in the United States that students representing the school even off-campus are still bound by the school's rules.

It's one thing if the Ques were involved in an altercation on their own time. It's another thing if they were representing Southern University at the time (which they were). Their actions embarassed Southern University, its students, faculty, staff, and alumni and their own fraternity. There was no reason for that. Personally, I think that they got off really lightly. The folks at LSU had every right to ask the police to arrest them and press charges against them and they would be justified in doing so. Things could have been MUCH, MUCH worse for them. Hopefully, they'll learn their lesson.
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Old 05-01-2002, 07:35 AM
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I agree with you. But, the Omega's or Alpha's need to make an example out of any Greek that embarrass the Faternity/Sorority or College/University.
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Old 05-01-2002, 08:42 AM
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I agree with you. But, the Omega's or Alpha's need to make an example out of any Greek that embarrass the Faternity/Sorority or College/University.
...which is exactly why I think it's unfair that the Alphas got nothing. Once the Bruh snatched and tore the check, that Alpha should have thought: "This dude is crazy, so let me chill before something pops off." But, instead, he snatched it back. And for what? He couldn't do s#@t with a torn check! By further upsetting an already irate person, one stands the risk of starting an altercation. That is a consequence you pay for tossing gas into a fire. This is what I mean by turning the other cheek! Had the Alpha not perpetuated the Bruhs' anger by snatching the check back, the fight wouldn't have started. I could see it if the Bruhs just bum-rushed the stage attacking the Alphas when their name was called as the winner; then the Alpha's participation would have been in self-defense. But that wasn't what happened at all and there was a room full of witnesses to prove that! The fight started when the Alpha childishly reacted to an already anger-driven act (snatching and tearing up the check) by the Bruhs.


Again, I say: The Ques were wrong and should try to tolerate the repercussions of their actions. BUT--the Alphas should at least get a smack on the hand for their role in creating the conflict. That's MY opinion.

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