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Attractive#7 · #1 02-17-2004, 01:54 AM

Here's to Alpha Phi Omega, Loyal BROTHERS we...MEN of Alpha Phi Omega...
BROTHERS clasp the hands of BROTHERS

Now we all know that our beloved toast song refers to us all us brothers and men. We also know that our membership cards *those of us who have them* refer to us as Brother ___________, so my question is why do some Men try to call us (females) sister. This is a very touchy subject for me because I go through this a lot. I am a Brother of the fraternity, not a sister. If I wanted to be a sister, I would have joined a sorority. It's a difference...sorority = sisterhood, fraternity = brotherhood. I knew what I was joining a fraternity, not a sorority, but yet in still, people have tried to call me sister, which I do not stand for. People have asked me am I a soror or a bruhror *a brother that's a soror* and I reply that I am none of these. I even had a friend who told me that she told one of her soror's *she's in a sorority* that i was in Alpha Phi Omega and she said that wasn't possible and that I must be a Jewel. When the toast song refers to us as men, I look at it the same way as the constitution refers to all men being created equal...men in the since of mankind, not in the since of just being a man. So how do you feel about it?

Sister Havana · #2 02-17-2004, 02:36 AM

Many times when I am wearing letters while out and about, I have people ask me about "my sorority." A lot of people don't know what APO is and I have to explain to them that APO is a fraternity. This is usually followed by "But you're a girl!" The concept of a coed fraternity is hard for some people to grasp.

Senusret I · #3 02-17-2004, 08:13 AM

Well, there you have it, Ladies and Gentlemen. Attractive breaks it down so far that it can never be raised up again, lol.

I'm pretty much in total agreement. If someone can't accept a woman as their BROTHER, then they pledged the wrong organization.

Attractive#7 · #4 02-17-2004, 03:21 PM

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Originally posted by Sister Havana
Many times when I am wearing letters while out and about, I have people ask me about "my sorority." A lot of people don't know what APO is and I have to explain to them that APO is a fraternity. This is usually followed by "But you're a girl!" The concept of a coed fraternity is hard for some people to grasp.

I mean within the fraternity. I can understand outsiders who do not know, I mean brothers who have been initiated into our fraternity.

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Originally posted by Senusret I
Well, there you have it, Ladies and Gentlemen. Attractive breaks it down so far that it can never be raised up again, lol.

I'm pretty much in total agreement. If someone can't accept a woman as their BROTHER, then they pledged the wrong organization.

I totally agree with you. There are plenty all male orgs you could have joined. You knew what you were getting into. Don't disrespect me by calling me what you think I deserve to be called. Especially when I know that I have been breaking my back for APO since I joined.

And the funny thing is I got a few texts and had a conversation about this same thing the night I posted this.

Sister Havana · #5 02-17-2004, 06:45 PM

I never had this problem within my chapter. Of course, that might have something to do with the fact that (at least back when I was an active) the majority of brothers in my chapter were female.

It was just people not in the chapter that couldn't accept that a female could be a brother.

bro_strawter · #6 02-18-2004, 04:43 PM

You already know how I feel about this subject.

Strawter

Attractive#7 · #7 02-18-2004, 09:31 PM

i know it all too well

bro_strawter · #8 02-19-2004, 12:26 AM

lol. But you know I love you though. I'm intrigued by women who stands up for themselves. If conversations like the one we had tonight were more common amongst other fraternity members, alot of misconceptions can be cleared up. Through it all, you have my respect Brother Porterfield.

. Seriously.

Attractive#7 · #9 02-19-2004, 01:01 AM

thank you...i like how you slipped sister ingram in on that other post *lol* but forreal i appreciate the respect

naraht · #10 02-19-2004, 05:56 AM

Couple of comments here...

First, we have brothers and sisters in the Phillipines. The men there belong to fraternity chapters and the women to sorority chapters, both of which exist on the same campus. All women in APO-Phil are sisters.

Secondly, I have run into women in the fraternity who want to be called sisters. As Rashid can verify, *some* of the women in Mu Alpha chapter want to be called sister. The funny thing to me is that Mu Alpha at Georgetown U. in some ways is the most like a chapter at an HBCU as any that is majority white (brothers are expected to know the lines of all active brothers, order matters in a pledge line, etc)

Having said that, my wife is my brother, my sister is my brother and my sister-in-law is my brother...

Randy

Senusret I · #11 02-19-2004, 07:43 AM

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Originally posted by naraht
Couple of comments here...

First, we have brothers and sisters in the Phillipines. The men there belong to fraternity chapters and the women to sorority chapters, both of which exist on the same campus. All women in APO-Phil are sisters.

Secondly, I have run into women in the fraternity who want to be called sisters. As Rashid can verify, *some* of the women in Mu Alpha chapter want to be called sister. The funny thing to me is that Mu Alpha at Georgetown U. in some ways is the most like a chapter at an HBCU as any that is majority white (brothers are expected to know the lines of all active brothers, order matters in a pledge line, etc)

Randy

Very true on all counts, Randy.

Attractive#7 · #12 02-19-2004, 03:42 PM

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Originally posted by naraht
Couple of comments here...

First, we have brothers and sisters in the Phillipines. The men there belong to fraternity chapters and the women to sorority chapters, both of which exist on the same campus. All women in APO-Phil are sisters.
Randy

Why did they do it seperately?

Senusret I · #13 02-19-2004, 05:42 PM

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Originally posted by Attractive#7
Why did they do it seperately?

This might not answer "why" but it definitely tells "how":

http://www.apo.org.ph/?page=articles...a9f69b22496cbc

so anxious · #14 02-20-2004, 01:58 AM

Attractive #7

I agree with you 125%..... it really gets under my skin when I'm refered to as a sister.....it has only happen once (from a vistor of another chapter) but from the expression on our faces he cleaned up the statement pretty quick......Point blank females and males are BROTHERS of Alpha Phi Omega

JayBEE!! · #15 02-29-2004, 11:35 PM

It shouldn't get under your skin unless you know that the other brother knows better. If you are talking to a philippine brother and that's what he normally calls a brother, just try to educate him. Don't just blow-up at him. Now if a brother in the on your same campus nuts-up and calls you a sister, educate him. Again, don't blow up, but don't be quiet either. The less that is said the more misuderstandings takes place.