Astrology, Numerology, Karma...

Classy_Diva5 · #1 06-21-2001, 08:03 PM

Do you believe in any of the following, or subjects related to:
*astrology
*numerology
*karma (negative/positive energy)
-there is also one based on your first name and how it'll link with your future, but I forgot waht it is called

Why or why not?

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Peace and God Bless
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AKA2D '91 · #2 06-21-2001, 08:14 PM

All that Miss Cleo kind of stuff is for the birds...

But,

I do believe that what you put out there can return...if that's karma, then so be it...

When you do bad things, IT'S COMING BACK TO YOU AND/OR YOURS! BELIEVE IT!

When you do wonderful things, IT'S COMING BACK TO YOU AND/OR YOURS! BELIEVE IT!

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ZChi4Life · #3 06-21-2001, 09:16 PM

I believe in Astrology...ok, maybe not BELIEVE...but I follow it. I don't know why. It just seems like every time I read it, it's pretty close to what's going on in my life. Actually, it's usually right on. I know there's probably some "trick" to it. But it amazes me sometimes how on point it is. Sometimes, it's down-right freaky! So I read it once in awhile for entertainment and to see if it'll "tell" me something.

SH80 · #4 06-21-2001, 10:32 PM

Absolutely, positively, not! It's of the devil!!!

The Original Ape · #5 06-21-2001, 11:11 PM

If the Ethiopians who were the scholasic, political, and philisophical leaders of their day respected it as a real science, and used Astrology in almost every aspect of their lives, I don't see why it's such a bad idea for us to respect it as a science as well. It has been proven that behavior is affected by heavenly bodies(which happens to be the basis for Astrology); so just because some people exploit it to make money DOES NOT discount its value.

Wanna see something freaky? Find an Astrologer and "get charted". Ask them your moon sign, then start reading your astrology.
When you find your Astrology and the explanation of your individual numerology collaborating, it will intrigue you.

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SableCherub · #6 06-22-2001, 09:30 AM

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Originally posted by SH80:
Absolutely, positively, not! It's of the devil!!!

how do you fathom it's of the devil???

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lastpoetnsite · #7 06-22-2001, 09:52 AM

much respect...

i definitely believe in astrology. unfortunately i have never been able to be charted because you need to know the time of your birth and because i am adopted i do not know that information.
but...
i am very much like an Aries Woman has been described...with some exceptions because ones sun sign is only the tip of the iceberg.
and i definitely believe in KARMA...the ish does come around. if you've done dirt...you get it done right back to you...most of the time tenfold.
thats why having respect for one another is important. shoot people down...and one day your dreams, goals, words whatever will be burned. its the truth.
theres one i'd like to add tho...
does anyone believe in reincarnation?
i swear i know folx who have been here before...old souls my grandmother likes to call them.
and some people have the stench of having done wrong in the past and are carrying it with them until they atone in this life...or the next.
but i'mma stop getting all mataphysical and end it right here.

peace

nikki25 · #8 06-22-2001, 10:09 AM

No, I don't believe that any of those subjects can tell me anything about the future. Those would fall under the categories of sorcery and divination in the Bible. I believe that only the Lord God through the utterance of the Holy Spirit can speak to you as well as provide prophetic insight into the unknown.

Here's a Word from the Holy Bible. He that has an ear, let him hear.

In Leviticus 19:26 (NIV), the Lord commanded Moses to speak to the children of Israel saying: 'Do not practice divination or sorcery.

*Note: The Lord wanted the children of Israel to be prosperous and of right relationship with Him as they went into the Promised Land. Each time that divination or sorcery was practiced, the Lord became angered as those people had seen the love of God, but chose to live a lifestyle that God didn't ordain. God is a jealous God. NO other gods should ever come before Him. Who is the god of witchcraft, sorcery, divination? satan. Each time that you seek the counsel of these methods, you are springing forth the very demons of hell.

In Deuteronomy 18:10, the Lord says:'Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,

*Note: God is telling the children of Israel (and if you are a Christian, you are their descendants), that no one must practice sorcery, interpret omens, nor engage in witchcraft. If you think that some of the people you see are sent by God, read, Deuteronomy 18:14-22 and Jeremiah 23 to see the way to discern if he/she is really sent by God.

Galatians 5: 19-21 states: The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery;
idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

*Note: God is saying here that if you choose to live a life that isn't holy, then you will be denied the inheritance of God. That includes everyone of the promises mentioned throughout the Bible as well as the eternal life.

If you'd like to read the Bible online so that you can read portions of God's Word to find out more about what God says about these things, double click on this link: http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/b...sh&version=NIV

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SableCherub · #9 06-22-2001, 01:43 PM

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Originally posted by nikki25:
No, I don't believe that any of those subjects can tell me anything about the future. Those would fall under the categories of sorcery and divination in the Bible. I believe that only the Lord God through the utterance of the Holy Spirit can speak to you as well as provide prophetic insight into the unknown.

Here's a Word from the Holy Bible. He that has an ear, let him hear.

In Leviticus 19:26 (NIV), the Lord commanded Moses to speak to the children of Israel saying: 'Do not practice divination or sorcery.

*Note: The Lord wanted the children of Israel to be prosperous and of right relationship with Him as they went into the Promised Land. Each time that divination or sorcery was practiced, the Lord became angered as those people had seen the love of God, but chose to live a lifestyle that God didn't ordain. God is a jealous God. NO other gods should ever come before Him. Who is the god of witchcraft, sorcery, divination? satan. Each time that you seek the counsel of these methods, you are springing forth the very demons of hell.

In Leviticus 18:10, the Lord says:'Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,

*Note: God is telling the children of Israel (and if you are a Christian, you are their descendants), that no one must practice sorcery, interpret omens, nor engage in witchcraft. If you think that some of the people you see are sent by God, read, Deuteronomy 18:14-22 and Jeremiah 23 to see the way to discern if he/she is really sent by God.

Galatians 5: 19-21 states: The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery;
idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

*Note: God is saying here that if you choose to live a life that isn't holy, then you will be denied the inheritance of God. That includes everyone of the promises mentioned throughout the Bible as well as the eternal life.

If you'd like to read the Bible online so that you can read portions of God's Word to find out more about what God says about these things, double click on this link: http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/b...sh&version=NIV

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Leviticus 19:26?

King James: "Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times."

NIV: "Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times."

Youngs Literal Translation: "`Ye do not eat with the blood; ye do not enchant, nor observe clouds."

Leviticus 18:10?

"The nakedness of thy son's daughter, or of thy daughter's daughter, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover: for theirs
is thine own nakedness."

Galations 5:19-21?

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

divination: div·i·na·tion (dv-nshn)
n.

1.The art or act of foretelling future events or revealing occult knowledge by means of augury or an alleged supernatural agency.
2.An inspired guess or presentiment. 3.Something that has been divined.

according to this definition all the weathermen who tell you how your week is going to be...sunny shiny and bright or overcast, muggy, and rainy...are going to hell...hmmmmn....i think it goes a bit deeper than you would like to profess...

sorcery: sor·cer·y (sôrs-r)
n.

Use of supernatural power over others through the assistance of spirits; witchcraft.

witch·craft (wchkrft)
n.

1.Magic; sorcery.
2.Wicca.
3.A magical or irresistible influence, attraction, or charm.
http://www.bibles.net/
http://www.internetdynamics.com/pub/vc/bibles.html

what were those great works moses and jesus did? how'd they do it? the prophets foretold all sorts of things and that would put them in this very category you are proclaiming to be wrong...um, i'm not saying they were sorcerers, witches, or anything...i'm just saying you might want to dig a little deeper than the surface of those bible pages...because you have severly contradicted yourself...some of the bible verses you quoted weren't even right...so i don't really understand where you are coming from...whether your misquote was intentional or not...i do not know...but before you try to qualify a position...you might at least want to accurately quote verses...

Matthew 24:24 Matthew 24 Matthew 24:23-25 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect--if that were possible.

Mark 6:2 Mark 6 Mark 6:1-3 When the Sabbath came, he began to teach in the synagogue, and many who heard him were amazed. "Where did this man get these things?" they asked. "What's this wisdom that has been given him, that he even does miracles!

John 10:32 John 10 John 10:31-33 but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?"

John 10:38 John 10 John 10:37-39 But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father."

1 Corinthians 12:28 1 Corinthians 12 1 Corinthians 12:27-29 And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues.

2 Thessalonians 2:9 2 Thessalonians 2 2 Thessalonians 2:8-10 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of COUNTERFEIT miracles, signs and wonders...

Joel 2:28 Joel 2 Joel 2:27-29 `And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions.

Hebrews 2:4 Hebrews 2 Hebrews 2:3-5 God also testified to it by signs, wonders and various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will.

1 Corinthians 12:29 1 Corinthians 12 1 Corinthians 12:28-30 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles?

John 14:12 John 14 John 14:11-13 I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.

1 Corinthians 12:31 1 Corinthians 12 1 Corinthians 12:30-32 But eagerly desire the greater gifts. And now I will show you the most excellent way.

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nikki25 · #10 06-22-2001, 02:22 PM

SableCherub: Thank you for noting the err in the Levitus 18:10 verse. It was actually Deuteronomy 18:10. Please note that correction. I apologize for not typing it in correctly. Also, you will find that I've shortened the text of the Leviticus 19:26 verse. SableCherub, I'm glad that you went back to look up things in the Bible.

The verses that I used are exactly what is printed in the New International Version of the Holy Bible.

The source from which the conjurists, fortunetellers, and astrologers, and new age cults are coming from is what I question. I didn't say anything in my post about how I felt. Rather, I cited what the Bible said.

The utterances of Moses were from the Lord. Jesus Christ was the earthly manifestation of God. The prophets of the Bible spoke with the mind of God. The sourcerists, fortune tellers/psychics, and astrologists speak with their source not being from God, but from the evil one. The Bible speaks of them countlessly. The key difference between the holy prophets (such as Jeremiah, Isiah, Ezekiel--remember Jesus wasn't a prophet--but the Son of God) and the ones that you see on television and other forms of media is that they latter speak with the mind of God. Please refer to Jeremiah 23 and Deuteronomy 18: 14-22 to understand the difference.

1. Jeremiah 14:14 says: Then the LORD said to me, "The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds."

2. Jeremiah 23:16: This is what the LORD Almighty says: "Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD.

3. Matthew 7:15: Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

4. Matthew 24:11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.

SableCherub, you've already cited some other proofs that Jesus Christ was God with us.

I hope that these scriptures will help you as you search out the truth of God's Word. I'd be more than happy to provide any additional clarification. But as in all things, please seek the Kingdom of Heaven FIRST. How? If you aren't saved, invite the Lord into your life and ask Him to show you clarity in the Holy Word. He will answer your earnest prayer. If you're already saved, then just simply ask God to help you understand the scriptures and help you understand whether or not the astrologists, numerologists, and principles of new age (karma) are really from Him.

I pray that you receive what I'm trying to say here in love. Remember, God doesn't want to hide the truth of His scriptures from you.

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I will bless the Lord at ALL times His praise shall continually be in my mouth. (Psalms 34:1, KJV)

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1 Woman of Virtue · #11 06-22-2001, 02:24 PM

If you had asked me 2 years ago, I would say no, I don't believe in astrology cuz it's of the devil. However I've had the opportunity to study w/ some conscious Black peeps who spent their life studing the sciences of Kemet and other African based belief systems.
For one thing, the calendar we use, is not the same one used by those who originally used the study of stars to tell certain things. In fact, my b-day is in July and I thought I was a cancer, but when I was charted, I discovered that I was a gemini (according to where I was born, the time, etc.). I am a born again Christian so I too was raised to believe that the study of the stars was satanic, etc. However, I am also a born again conscious believer in Christ, so I was able to explore for my own, and figure out that a lot of what teh "Church" teaches is based on fear, mal-interpretation, and the inability to seperate the teachings of Christ and the messages in the Holy Scriptures, from the infusion of Eurocentric culture.
What do I mean? Christianity as many of us know it, is Christianity as practiced in European culture. When you leave western society, you'll find born again believers who love the Lord, and who practice Christianity through the veil of their culture. In many of those cultures, studying the stars for information (astrology) on how to better understand who you are, is no different than American Christians using all of those self-help books that so heavily populate our Christian book stores. You know, the kind that give you a list of characteristics, and you figure out your temperment/personality type...
Saying all of that to say, that yes, after reading for my own, and getting charted (and that chart was more accurate, and more specific than many of the "prohpecies" I've received on Sunday) and understanding that just cuz something is different, doesnt make it wrong, I do believe there is a lot of merit to astrology, numerology, and energy.

SableCherub · #12 06-22-2001, 02:33 PM

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Originally posted by nikki25:
SableCherub: Thank you for noting the err in the Levitus 18:10 verse. It was actually Deuteronomy 18:10. Please note that correction. I apologize for not typing it in correctly. Also, you will find that I've shortened the text of the Leviticus 19:26 verse. SableCherub, I'm glad that you went back to look up things in the Bible.

The verses that I used are exactly what is printed in the New International Version of the Holy Bible.

The source from which the conjurists, fortunetellers, and astrologers, and new age cults are coming from is what I question. I didn't say anything in my post about how I felt. Rather, I cited what the Bible said.

The utterances of Moses were from the Lord. Jesus Christ was the earthly manifestation of God. The prophets of the Bible spoke with the mind of God. The sourcerists, fortune tellers/psychics, and astrologists speak with their source not being from God, but from the evil one. The Bible speaks of them countlessly. The key difference between the holy prophets (such as Jeremiah, Isiah, Ezekiel--remember Jesus wasn't a prophet--but the Son of God) and the ones that you see on television and other forms of media is that they latter speak with the mind of God. Please refer to Jeremiah 23 and Deuteronomy 18: 14-22 to understand the difference.

1. Jeremiah 14:14 says: Then the LORD said to me, "The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds."

2. Jeremiah 23:16: This is what the LORD Almighty says: "Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD.

3. Matthew 7:15: Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

4. Matthew 24:11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.

SableCherub, you've already cited some other proofs that Jesus Christ was God with us.

I hope that these scriptures will help you as you search out the truth of God's Word. I'd be more than happy to provide any additional clarification. But as in all things, please seek the Kingdom of Heaven FIRST. How? If you aren't saved, invite the Lord into your life and ask Him to show you clarity in the Holy Word. He will answer your earnest prayer. If you're already saved, then just simply ask God to help you understand the scriptures and help you understand whether or not the astrologists, numerologists, and principles of new age (karma) are really from Him.

I pray that you receive what I'm trying to say here in love. Remember, God doesn't want to hide the truth of His scriptures from you.

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so are you stating that when the prophets "died"...those gifts died along with them? yes...there are COUNTERFEIT people that exploit things...but are you stating that it is impossible that one could genuinely "have the mind of god" and work the exact same miracles today that were worked back in the day? whether via astrology, numerology, karma...etc...? if there are FALSE prophets...that must mean there are some REAL ones...if there weren't any REAL ones...there would be no need to distinguish between FALSE and REAL...one cannot take a verse and twist it to suit their immediate needs...either you consider ALL...the good and the bad...the false and the real...or you consider none...it is sort of like sifting wheat from chaff...and in considering the whole...you can realize truth...not half truths...you must also understand the context of the ENTIRE passage...maybe even the entire book to understand the reality that is being presented...i caution you to be so quick in picking and choosing doctrines that suit your tastes...and taking in illusions of a reality that has been force fed to you...

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Ideal08 · #13 06-22-2001, 02:42 PM

I do believe in karma, energy, that whole deal. But not really in astrology or numbers. I think that what you put out into the universe will come back to you.

Professor · #14 06-22-2001, 02:47 PM

It just is - didn't you see touched by an angel

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Originally posted by SableCherub:
how do you fathom it's of the devil???

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pointNclick · #15 06-22-2001, 02:48 PM

I believe in astrology and in the concept of "krama" (do unto others as you would have them do unto you). I am not versed enough in numerology to state whether I believe or not.

While all of these, especially astrology are often seen as entertainment, to my understanding there is some "science" to it (astronomy, etc.). I find that I am very much in line with the description of my zodiac sign. And while I do not read horoscopes daily, I do know my sign and seek other "compatible" signs in my life.