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Old 03-02-2004, 08:20 PM
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If anyone would like to help me...

If anyone would like to help me stick up for Local Sororities and Fraternities please send an e-mail of concern to the following addresses:

jhogan@umflint.edu (University Relations)
khoppe@umflint.edu (Student Activities Coordinator)

They are trying to kick all of the local Greek organizations off of campus. The two local Greek organizations that are left, Alpha Theta Chi Sorority and Kappa Delta Xi Fraternity, are the oldest Greek Organizations on campus. They are trying to force both organizations to affiliate with National organizations, which is never going to happen.

I would greatly appreciate anyone's help!!!
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Old 03-08-2004, 11:47 PM
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New rule unmet, UM-Flint expels Greeks

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THE FLINT JOURNAL FIRST EDITION

Monday, March 08, 2004

By Shena Abercrombie
JOURNAL STAFF WRITER

Flint - Two Greek student organizations have been expelled from the University of Michigan-Flint campus, shutting the groups out of most campus activities.

Kappa Delta Xi fraternity and Alpha Theta Chi sorority were informed last month that they no longer would be recognized as campus organizations after failing to comply with a new rule requiring fraternities and sororities to be affiliated with a national chapter.

The rule change is seen by some as an effort to crack down on hazing, recognized as a national crisis among college fraternities and sororities. While there have been no reported incidents of hazing at UM-Flint, any such activity could become a liability issue, according to a university official.

The ousted Greek organizations were started locally as independent chapters.

National Greek organizations generally take strong, anti-hazing stances.

"The organizations that are responsible to a national organization, their entire charter would be revoked if they were found (hazing)," said Kelli Hoppe, UM-Flint student activities coordinator.

In contrast, independent Greek outfits pose liability problems.

"The main reason for that (rule) is local organizations don't have liability insurance," Hoppe said. "It puts students as well as the university at risk. Hazing wasn't a major part of the discussion (here). To my knowledge we have not had a large hazing problem on campus."

Hoppe said the two organizations were notified of the rule in November and given a Feb. 9 deadline to comply.

"Both of them opted not to become national organizations," Hoppe said.

Other campuses have made similar moves to harness Greek activity.

UM-Ann Arbor came under fire from students when it unveiled a plan that would delay rushing and pledging among Greeks by a semester and require fraternities to have live-in advisers.

University officials announced the proposal in December, three months after a student suffered kidney damage following a hazing incident at a UM fraternity. The university called the move an effort to resolve problems facing freshman.

The new UM-Flint rule has some support on campus.

Jennifer Garcon is a member of Delta Phi Epsilon Sorority and sits on the Panhellenic board that serves as a campus umbrella for all Greek organizations.

"I think it's a good thing, it protects everybody from getting sued," said the junior business major. "Then there's no hazing whatsoever. Almost all national chapters are not allowed to haze."

But Alpha Theta Chi president Kellie Gilkes argues that the sorority was misled about the university's true intentions and initially was told the rule was only a possibility.

"I was angered and shocked because they kind of pulled this out of the blue," said Gilkes, 23, a junior business major.

"We're still looking into what we can do," Gilkes said of the 13-member sorority's future. "We've been researching student organization rights and looking into UM-Ann Arbor's policies. Hopefully we can talk with Chancellor (Juan) Mestas soon. Other than that, I'm not sure what to do."

Some students argue it's a control issue, and the expulsion will speed the demise of an already meager student life at the downtown commuter campus.

"My brothers are all pretty upset about the situation," said Tony R. Delgado, a junior business major and member of Kappa Delta Xi fraternity. The group has 10 members.

"They should check around. UM-Flint is not the only campus with local fraternities or sororities. One of the major campus events is Greek Week Challenge.

"With only two fraternities left that won't be much of a challenge. It's going to be the downfall of Greek life," he said.
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Old 03-09-2004, 01:58 AM
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I'm sorry to hear that your university did this to your sorority and the other GLO. I really hope that you all will be able to sustain and strengthen your sisterhood...don't see this as a death sentance but as a way to prove them wrong about your group and locals! Wishing you all the best and Good Luck!
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Old 03-09-2004, 07:33 AM
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I'm sorry to hear that your university did this to your sorority and the other GLO. I really hope that you all will be able to sustain and strengthen your sisterhood...don't see this as a death sentance but as a way to prove them wrong about your group and locals! Wishing you all the best and Good Luck!
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Old 03-09-2004, 11:43 AM
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The rule change is seen by some as an effort to crack down on hazing, recognized as a national crisis among college fraternities and sororities. While there have been no reported incidents of hazing at UM-Flint, any such activity could become a liability issue, according to a university official.


I would find an alum who is a lawyer, or find a former UM-Flint Greek who's a lawyer or law student....someone who can help you draft a resolution professionally. The first thing you have to do is research this statement. Find out the history of hazing reports, etc. at UM-Flint. (You may not be able to get this info from the Greek office if she's wanting to shut you down. May have to use some other ways here.) If it is true that there haven't been any major hazing incidents, then you've negated the first argument.

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"The organizations that are responsible to a national organization, their entire charter would be revoked if they were found (hazing)," said Kelli Hoppe, UM-Flint student activities coordinator.
Do some research...I'll bet you can find some National Chapters that weren't revoked due to a hazing incident. Depends on the severity though...don't use little minor, piddly cases. (You may not be able to use this as a convincing argument however, so don't even address this one unless you have evidence to the contrary).

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In contrast, independent Greek outfits pose liability problems.


EVERY student organization poses a liability risk. EVERY ONE. Lord knows how many "marching band" (NOT KKPsi or TBS) parties I've been to that put the greek stereotype to shame. Look at athletics hazing, band hazing, swim team hazing, whatever. Even some honor societies go above and beyond...depends on the campus.

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"The main reason for that (rule) is local organizations don't have liability insurance," Hoppe said. "It puts students as well as the university at risk. Hazing wasn't a major part of the discussion (here). To my knowledge we have not had a large hazing problem on campus."
If the campus has liability insurance for it's groups that aren't covered by another national entity (band, local honor groups, etc), can the two local Greeks be included in that policy by paying insurance premiums? Of course, you would have to follow some major rules set by the university, but if you want local recognition, they're gonna set some major rules on you anyway. Explore what the options are here. (This is just a random thought I had...never heard of it before, but who knows?)

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Hoppe said the two organizations were notified of the rule in November and given a Feb. 9 deadline to comply.

But Alpha Theta Chi president Kellie Gilkes argues that the sorority was misled about the university's true intentions and initially was told the rule was only a possibility.


This policy announcement should be in writing somewhere. Find it. It should be in the minutes of the CPH meeting, or as a memo sent out to all Greek orgs...someone should have this in writing dated November. If it can be found, then Kellie has no argument here. However, if no document can be produced, then you may have something.

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"I think it's a good thing, it protects everybody from getting sued," said the junior business major. "Then there's no hazing whatsoever. Almost all national chapters are not allowed to haze."
Oops...bad quote there. Let's hope it was just a misunderstanding.

A few other things to consider: What is the climate like on your campus? Are the National groups substantially bigger than yours? If so, you may have to prove you're just as "worthy" of existence to the Greek office (they may feel bigger is better). If the National groups aren't very supportive/helpful to you, keep your mouth shut while doing your research. Don't tip your hand until you're ready. Any professors who disagree with this ruling and be willing to help you out?

Also, we've got to consider the other option: Going National. I don't know your local's history, etc. but would it be the end of the world if you joined a National or even a "regional" that had insurance/anti hazing policies, etc? Look at the pros and cons of each situation. If there are important local traditions you want to keep, some nationals may allow you to embrace that part of your chapter history instead of pretending it doesn't exist.

OHHHH, just thought of something....if the College Panhellenic didn't vote to allow another National on campus, then there was no way for you to comply with the rule and therefore it should be null and void. Go research that one too...*paging an NPC expert* doesn't the Green Book (or your campus bylaws) say that even if an established local wants to affiliate with a national the CPH has to vote to allow that? That might be your key....although all the GA has to do is tell the CPH to open up for expansion then give you another 6 months to pick a National....but it would chip away at the credibility of all this.

Also, be brutally honest....have the locals on this campus done something to piss off the campus? If so, you may not have a good foundation in which to fight this decision. Take a close look at the campus/chapter relationship. You mentioned in another post that two older locals are allowed to stay on campus...is that accurate? If so, what's the difference?

Sorry this got so long, I got carried away I guess!!! In any case, I'm sorry this is happening to your group...it sucks having people fight you every step of the way. We're here to listen and help!!

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Old 03-09-2004, 11:20 PM
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PsychTau, YOU ROCK! It's nice to have some national support.

The answer to the question about have the locals done anything to piss the campus off is no. I'll get back to the rest of the questions tomorrow morning.
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Old 03-09-2004, 11:42 PM
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I hope you get this worked out AOX... I know there a lot of people here rooting for you.

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Old 03-17-2004, 07:45 PM
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This is what I received from one of our Alumna who is also working on this with me, "From what limited response I have received the official line has been that we have not been "kicked off campus" but are now recognized as a Club and not as a Greek organization."
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Old 03-18-2004, 03:17 PM
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Well, I am always willing to help a fellow greek as well as a fellow local greek.
So if you need any of my assistance , PM me



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Old 04-01-2004, 10:35 PM
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That's awful of them to do to you, but not unheard of. I go to Santa Clara University in California and our entire Greek community is off campus, local and national alike. It's hard, but it's doable. The best thing to do is show the university you're not going away. Continue to work your hardest to recruit---maybe the mystery will make you more popular. Good luck.
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