I Hope This Not Happen At Other Universities....

[Hannah_girl1513]

My sister is a Theta at Alabama, and during this time of year is Student Government Association elections, so she sent me a very intersesting article:

http://www.cw.ua.edu/vnews/display.v.../404ecb260be11

I have had "the Machine" explained to me, but my, my,my....

[Taualumna]

Sounds like a form of hazing.

[g41965]

I guess Mayor Daley's ghost lives on in Tuscaloosa, these folks need to grow up.

[starang21]

people actually place real stock in those threats?

[KDbutterfly]

Only 20% of this campus is greek, so it seems that if the other 80% of students voted, the Machine would have no power. Sounds like the greeks are the only ones who care enough to vote.

[The B Girl]

It amazes me that this kind of stuff still goes on even in 2004. I didn't go to a "Southern" school with an old established Greek system......

From the article and who they want to elect, it sounds like they are still living in 1955....

[deuika]

I've heard stories about "The Machine" but this is rather ridiculous.

[33girl]

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...threadid=47965

and Taualumna, these are not pledges voting, they are actives, so why in the world would you bring hazing into this????????????????

[Tippiechick]

I think Taualumna called it hazing for two reasons: 1) the pledges were advised during a pledge meeting about the way the Machine's system worked and basically advised to go along with it and 2) the pledges were not allowed to vote; they had to turn over their ID info so that the actives could vote the way the Machine wanted.

As has been said before, the Machine is simply making use of block voting. While some of their tactics are questionable, they aren't doing anything campus groups haven't been doing for years: band together to elect who they want.

[AlethiaSi]

i don't know much about the bigger greek systems at the larger universities.... but was it chi omega that was against her? or the overall greek system? i don't really understand this...

[Tippiechick]

I believe BamaAlumna can answer this better than I can, but here goes...

My understanding of the Machine is that it is comprised of a "select" group of sororities and fraternities... It has been explained to me that not every sorority/fraternity is involved. Also, it was explained that it is mainly those sororities/fraternities that are called "Old Row" that seem to be more involved...

GChatters, feel free to correct me if I am incorrect on any of this info!

[Tom Earp]

One Word, "sickened"!

Campus Polotics at its Crappiest!

As there was another post along these lines some time back, I am sure it may be true!


Rise lower class Greeks take over the Whole Damn Thing!

Some times, "THE OLD LINE GREEKS" can suck for their Semi Self Importance!

[XOMichelle]

there's another thread on this somewhere.....

[Jhawkalum]

Originally posted by 33girl
http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...threadid=47965

and Taualumna, these are not pledges voting, they are actives, so why in the world would you bring hazing into this????????????????

Intimidation of any form, whether it's between pledges and actives, pledges and pledges, or actives and actives -- it's hazing.

NPC defines hazing as:
Hazing is defined as any action or situation with or without consent which recklessly, intentionally or unintentionally endangers the mental or physical health or safety of a student, or creates risk of injury, or causes discomfort, embarrassment, harassment or ridicule or which willfully destroys or removes public or private property for the purpose of initiation or admission into or affiliation with, or as a condition for continued membership in a chapter or colony of an NPC member fraternity

If AGD really sat its new members down in a circle, and then told them how to vote, and then singled out Lumpkin -- that is hazing!!

Assuming the accusations about intimidation against Alabama's XO and AGD chapters are true, they certainly would be in violation of the NPC policy on hazing.

[Tippiechick]

Originally posted by Jhawkalum
Intimidation of any form, whether it's between pledges and actives, pledges and pledges, or actives and actives -- it's hazing.

NPC defines hazing as:
Hazing is defined as any action or situation with or without consent which recklessly, intentionally or unintentionally endangers the mental or physical health or safety of a student, or creates risk of injury, or causes discomfort, embarrassment, harassment or ridicule or which willfully destroys or removes public or private property for the purpose of initiation or admission into or affiliation with, or as a condition for continued membership in a chapter or colony of an NPC member fraternity

If AGD really sat its new members down in a circle, and then told them how to vote, and then singled out Lumpkin -- that is hazing!!

Assuming the accusations about intimidation against Alabama's XO and AGD chapters are true, they certainly would be in violation of the NPC policy on hazing.

I don't think there was a question as to whether or not the actions were hazing. I believe 33girl simply misunderstood the events which took place in the article... I DO NOT think she was making excuses for what happened...
Lighten up We don't need to have the NPC rules quoted... I think most of us on here are quite familiar with the rules and regulations against hazing...