Do you believe in women who...........

Conskeeted19 · #1 12-07-2000, 09:16 PM

Where I come from there is much drama regarding women preachers. I am very interested in reading your views on the matter. Some people use the scripture that makes reference to -women being silent in churches as grounds for saying that women are not called by God. Others say that there is neither male nor female in the spiritual realm as grounds for saying that they are called by God. What do you say?

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PositivelyAKA · #2 12-08-2000, 02:04 PM

i believe the bible has many examples of the woman's role in the church. in the new testament men lead the church that's how Jesus set it up, and the women were co-leaders/helpers to the men, they did pretty much what the men did, except as in a household God calls the man to lead (although that don't always happen

, so i think that's why most do not agree with women leading men/entire churches, since man is susposed to be the head under Christ of course, although women play a tremendous part and can certainly help them on out in their leadership of the church

in my church we have men evangelist who lead the entire church especially the men (since they have needs that a woman can not meet) and women ministry leaders who lead the women's ministry (cause we have special needs that a man can not meet). so in essence they lead the church together

Teresa2000 · #3 12-09-2000, 05:35 PM

My minor is religious studies and I have heard a lot of Christians say that the man is supposed to be the head of the household. Can you point out the scripture where this is stated. I am very interested in modern interp. of sexual roles in the bible. Thanx!

-Teresa

Teresa2000 · #4 12-09-2000, 05:35 PM

My minor is religious studies and I have heard a lot of Christians say that the man is supposed to be the head of the household. Can you point out the scripture where this is stated. I am very interested in modern interp. of sexual roles in the bible. Thanx!

-Teresa

MIDWESTDIVA · #5 12-09-2000, 07:18 PM

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Originally posted by Teresa2000:
My minor is religious studies and I have heard a lot of Christians say that the man is supposed to be the head of the household. Can you point out the scripture where this is stated. I am very interested in modern interp. of sexual roles in the bible. Thanx!

-Teresa

I would be interested to know more about that myself. I understand the Bible has defined separate roles for men and women. But how much of that is God's will, and how much of that is the cultural norms of that era?

SlvrnGold · #6 12-09-2000, 07:47 PM

Teresa2000,

Eph 5:22Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

Eph 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so [let] the wives [be] to their own husbands in every thing.

Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

Eph 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

Eph 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

Eph 5:29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

Col 3:18 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.

Col 3:19 Husbands, love [your] wives, and be not bitter against them.

AKA2D '91 · #7 12-09-2000, 08:00 PM

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Originally posted by MIDWESTDIVA:
But how much of that is God's will, and how much of that is the cultural norms of that era?

Exactly, the Bible was written by? So that person's interpretation of what happened is listed. WHAT DID GOD, HIMSELF SAY? NOT WHAT MAN INTERPRETED HIM AS SAYING!

This is the problem I have with this topic and others...Who are WE as MORTALS to say what is and IS NOT appropriate. When WE ALL, independently reach our MAKER, CREATOR, we will have to answer for whatever. If this AND other things is NOT what HE wanted, then HE is the ONLY ONE who can say that it (whatever it is) is WRONG!

That's just my HO!

Conskeeted19 · #8 12-09-2000, 09:23 PM

During B.C. time was it lawful for women to read and write?

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Eclipse · #9 12-10-2000, 06:18 PM

Over six months later I realize that I double posted! The next message is the full message. Sorry!

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Eclipse · #10 12-10-2000, 06:34 PM

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Originally posted by AKA2D '91:
Exactly, the Bible was written by? So that person's interpretation of what happened is listed. WHAT DID GOD, HIMSELF SAY? NOT WHAT MAN INTERPRETED HIM AS SAYING!

This is the problem I have with this topic and others...Who are WE as MORTALS to say what is and IS NOT appropriate. When WE ALL, independently reach our MAKER, CREATOR, we will have to answer for whatever. If this AND other things is NOT what HE wanted, then HE is the ONLY ONE who can say that it (whatever it is) is WRONG!

That's just my HO!

I understand what you are saying. Some of the stuff in the Bible just does not jive with our view of our selves and the world today. I believe that the Bible is God's revealed word, that the original Hebrew and Greek text were inspired by God and are without error. Where we get into trouble, I think, is when we say the Bible was written by man and man is subject to error. O.K. So if that is the case, how do we determine what parts are true and what parts are 'man'? I think we have to say all of the Bible is true or all of if is subject (including the 'good' parts like enternal life, forgiveness of sins, supplying all of our needs according to His riches in glory, no weapon formed against me shall prosper etc.) to throwing out. Then the question becomes "How much can we throw out and still be considered Christians?"

I do believe however, that it is important to take part in a good Bible Study (with others and on your own) if you are truly concerned about doing the will of God because as someone stated there are some things, again this is my inter. that are referring to the cultural norms or the day or speak in the natural something that signifies the Spiritual. I can't read a word of Greek or Hebrew, but I can read a concordance and try to do so, especially when there is something that I don't understand.

AKA2D '91 · #11 12-10-2000, 06:37 PM

I don't throw anything out.

I KNOW GOD'S SON, JESUS, DIED FOR ME!
I KNOW I BELIEVE IN GOD, THE FATHER, THE HOLY SPIRIT!
I HAVE FAITH

That is what I know and believe...if someone is doing AB or C...that's him or her...if a woman is in the pulpit preaching...THAT'S HER! It's not me! God will have to JUDGE THAT, NOT ME!

1 Woman of Virtue · #12 12-11-2000, 12:25 PM

Now I know I may get in trouble over this, but such is life! Now I am a Christian, and I do believe in the Bible...but there are some inconsistancies that I have not been able to reconcile. The part about women being silent in the church was explained to me like this: In that book of the Bible, Paul was writing a letter, I think to the Corinthians. At that time, there were a lot of issues the Corinthians were dealing w/ in regards to church protocol, including folks acting up in church. Under that situation, Paul wrote a letter to them addressing their issues. That scripture has been (in the opinion of some, I'm not sure where I stand on the issue) stretched to apply to all women, everywhere in the church body.

Now is that how it really went down? well I don't know. But I do know that the epistles in the New Testament were just that, epistles, or letters written to a specific group of people who were dealing w/ certain issues. Once those letters were cannonized, they became part of the Bible. Does that mean that everything in them is universal? Or does it mean that the message in them is addressed to certain people, at a certain time, dealing w/ certain issues? In which case, our interpretation of the books, (the good parts and parts we question) is no less real; it just would not necessarily apply to present day situations, you know?

If anyone (Bible scholars?) has any info on this, please let us know. This is an issue I have been thinking about for awhile, so I'd like to see what other believers out there think about it!

Peace is not the absence of trouble, but the presence of God...

Monique · #13 12-11-2000, 10:37 PM

well all i have to say on this topic is ..My pastor is a WOMAN and she's a damn good preacher.. i wish Men would stop trying to twist the words of the bible..It doesn't matter.. Who R U 2 Judge..

SableCherub · #14 06-08-2001, 09:37 AM

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Originally posted by Eclipse:
I understand what you are saying. Some of the stuff in the Bible just does not jive with our view of our selves and the world today. I believe that the Bible is God's revealed word, that the original Hebrew and Greek text were inspired by God and are without error. Where we get into trouble, I think, is when we say the Bible was written by man and man is subject to error. O.K. So if that is the case, how do we determine what parts are true and what parts are 'man'? I think we have to say all of the Bible is true or all of if is subject (including the 'good' parts like enternal life, forgiveness of sins, supplying all of our needs according to His riches in glory, no weapon formed against me shall prosper etc.) to throwing out. Then the question becomes "How much can we throw out and still be considered Christians?"

I do believe however, that it is important to take part in a good Bible Study (with others and on your own) if you are truly concerned about doing the will of God because as someone stated there are some things, again this is my inter. that are referring to the cultural norms or the day or speak in the natural something that signifies the Spiritual. I can't read a word of Greek or Hebrew, but I can read a concordance and try to do so, especially when there is something that I don't understand.

the problem lies in the translation from hebrew/greek to english/other languages...and yes...i do believe then we would have to say that portions of it are subject not to being thrown out but rather questioned and investigated more thoroughly...not everyone will have sense enough to grab a concordance when they don't understand something...and not everyone studies for themself beyond reinforcing what has been taught to them...nor do they dare even question the validity of a particular text as is in its modern form out of fear and the false belief that if you question any portion of the bible , you are questioning the reality of god, the inspiration under which the disciples wrote, and are undermining the core doctrine of christianity...

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PositivelyAKA · #15 06-08-2001, 11:58 AM

as christians we must take the whole bible as the truth, we can't pick and choose, yes some things are different but people are basically the same. this is what the bible says about his word, and there are NO contradictions in the bible, read everything in context and if you don't understand you betta ask somebody

2Tim 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed....
Heb 4:12-13 The word of God is living and active..... **** pay close attention to this scripture**** 2Pet 1:20 Above all you must understand that no prophecy of scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation....... John 8:31-32 To the jews who had believed him, Jesus said if you hold to my teachings you are really my disciples (christians) 1Tim 4:16 Watch your life and doctrine closely...... John 12:48 There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words (the bible) that very word which i spoke will condemn him at the last day. Please read these for yourselves. If we claim to be christian we must accept the entire bible not just that part which is "comfortable or convenient" for us. peace onto you all