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Old 01-13-2004, 08:03 AM
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Warning: watching Fox News will make you stupid

How's that for an inflammatory headline?

For the record, I'm sure it's not entirely true.

The article is a couple months old but still interesting.


Study: Wrong impressions helped support Iraq war
By FRANK DAVIES
Knight Ridder Newspapers

WASHINGTON - A majority of Americans have held at least one of three mistaken impressions about the U.S.-led war in Iraq, according to a new study released Thursday, and those misperceptions contributed to much of the popular support for the war.

The three common mistaken impressions are that:

- U.S. forces found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

- There's clear evidence that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein worked closely with the Sept. 11 terrorists.

- People in foreign countries generally either backed the U.S.-led war or were evenly split between supporting and opposing it.

Overall, 60 percent of Americans held at least one of those views in polls reported between January and September by the Program on International Policy Attitudes, based at the University of Maryland in College Park, and the polling firm, Knowledge Networks based in Menlo Park, Calif.

"While we cannot assert that these misperceptions created the support for going to war with Iraq, it does appear likely that support for the war would be substantially lower if fewer members of the public had these misperceptions," said Steven Kull, who directs Maryland's program.

In fact, no weapons of mass destruction have been found in Iraq. U.S. intelligence has found no clear evidence that Saddam was working closely with al-Qaida or was involved in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Gallup polls found large majorities opposed to the war in most countries.

PIPA's seven polls, which included 9,611 respondents, had a margin of error from 2 to 3.5 percent.

The analysis released Thursday also correlated the misperceptions with the primary news source of the mistaken respondents. For example, 80 percent of those who said they relied on Fox News and 71 percent of those who said they relied on CBS believed at least one of the three misperceptions.

The comparable figures were 47 percent for those who said they relied most on newspapers and magazines and 23 percent for those who said they relied on PBS or National Public Radio.


The reasons for the misperceptions are numerous, Kull and other analysts said.

The rest of the article is here: http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/new...aq/6918170.htm
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Old 01-13-2004, 10:27 AM
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Fellow greek, and occasional GC poster Steve Hofstetter actually wrote a great article about Fox news this past week on his website.. definately worth reading..

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Old 01-13-2004, 10:42 AM
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I love Steve. what happen to his idiot of the week website. That site is hilarious.

ETA: It's Jerkoftheweek.com, not idiotoftheweek.com.
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Old 01-13-2004, 11:18 AM
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I guess I'm in the 20% group, then, because I watch Fox News regularly and know the truth on all three of the "misperceptions" mentioned.
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Old 01-13-2004, 02:25 PM
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I for one am not suprised by the numbers, nor the belief in "facts" that some of the watchers hold to.

After all there is a growing number of Americans that don't believe in evolution.

As well there is a shock number of people that believe that the tabliod newspapers and magazine are credible newssources.
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Old 01-13-2004, 02:32 PM
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After all there is a growing number of Americans that don't believe in evolution.
Where did you get this from?

If this is true, they're in the minority.
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Old 01-13-2004, 08:15 PM
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Actually CNN world report this last Sunday.... sorry I've been pretty sick so I'll Ive been able to do is lie in front of a TV and veg.

I'll try and find the reference with numbers.....

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Okay they were rehashing and older New York Times article...... but still 28%! WTF:


http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/08/15/nyt.kristof/index.html

Believe It, or Not
By Nicholas D. Kristof
Op-Ed Columnist, New York Times
Friday, August 15, 2003 Posted: 9:49 AM EDT (1349 GMT)



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Today marks the Roman Catholics' Feast of the Assumption, honoring the moment that they believe God brought the Virgin Mary into Heaven. So here's a fact appropriate for the day: Americans are three times as likely to believe in the Virgin Birth of Jesus (83 percent) as in evolution (28 percent).

So this day is an opportunity to look at perhaps the most fundamental divide between America and the rest of the industrialized world: faith. Religion remains central to American life, and is getting more so, in a way that is true of no other industrialized country, with the possible exception of South Korea.

Americans believe, 58 percent to 40 percent, that it is necessary to believe in God to be moral. In contrast, other developed countries overwhelmingly believe that it is not necessary. In France, only 13 percent agree with the U.S. view. (For details on the polls cited in this column, go to www.nytimes.com/kristofresponds.)

The faith in the Virgin Birth reflects the way American Christianity is becoming less intellectual and more mystical over time. The percentage of Americans who believe in the Virgin Birth actually rose five points in the latest poll.

My grandfather was fairly typical of his generation: A devout and active Presbyterian elder, he nonetheless believed firmly in evolution and regarded the Virgin Birth as a pious legend. Those kinds of mainline Christians are vanishing, replaced by evangelicals. Since 1960, the number of Pentecostalists has increased fourfold, while the number of Episcopalians has dropped almost in half.

The result is a gulf not only between America and the rest of the industrialized world, but a growing split at home as well. One of the most poisonous divides is the one between intellectual and religious America.

Some liberals wear T-shirts declaring, "So Many Right-Wing Christians . . . So Few Lions." On the other side, there are attitudes like those on a Web site, dutyisours.com/gwbush.htm, explaining the 2000 election this way:

"God defeated armies of Philistines and others with confusion. Dimpled and hanging chads may also be because of God's intervention on those who were voting incorrectly. Why is GW Bush our president? It was God's choice."

The Virgin Mary is an interesting prism through which to examine America's emphasis on faith because most Biblical scholars regard the evidence for the Virgin Birth, and for Mary's assumption into Heaven (which was proclaimed as Catholic dogma only in 1950), as so shaky that it pretty much has to be a leap of faith. As the Catholic theologian Hans Küng puts it in "On Being a Christian," the Virgin Birth is a "collection of largely uncertain, mutually contradictory, strongly legendary" narratives, an echo of virgin birth myths that were widespread in many parts of the ancient world.

Jaroslav Pelikan, the great Yale historian and theologian, says in his book "Mary Through the Centuries" that the earliest references to Mary (like Mark's gospel, the first to be written, or Paul's letter to the Galatians) don't mention anything unusual about the conception of Jesus. The Gospels of Matthew and Luke do say Mary was a virgin, but internal evidence suggests that that part of Luke, in particular, may have been added later by someone else (it is written, for example, in a different kind of Greek than the rest of that gospel).

Yet despite the lack of scientific or historical evidence, and despite the doubts of Biblical scholars, America is so pious that not only do 91 percent of Christians say they believe in the Virgin Birth, but so do an astonishing 47 percent of U.S. non-Christians.

I'm not denigrating anyone's beliefs. And I don't pretend to know why America is so much more infused with religious faith than the rest of the world. But I do think that we're in the middle of another religious Great Awakening, and that while this may bring spiritual comfort to many, it will also mean a growing polarization within our society.

But mostly, I'm troubled by the way the great intellectual traditions of Catholic and Protestant churches alike are withering, leaving the scholarly and religious worlds increasingly antagonistic. I worry partly because of the time I've spent with self-satisfied and unquestioning mullahs and imams, for the Islamic world is in crisis today in large part because of a similar drift away from a rich intellectual tradition and toward the mystical. The heart is a wonderful organ, but so is the brain.

Nicholas D. Kristof is an op-ed columnist for the New York Times.
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Old 01-13-2004, 08:33 PM
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Good thing I only watch Fox News when I'm trying to fall asleep. My roommate and I are strictly CNN girls!!!
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Old 01-13-2004, 09:11 PM
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I'm Catholic, and I believe in the Virgin Birth. I also believe in evolution. I don't think that the two beliefs have to be mutually exclusive. It seems as if the writer of the op-ed article thinks that they do.
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Old 01-13-2004, 09:30 PM
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I for one am not suprised by the numbers, nor the belief in "facts" that some of the watchers hold to.

After all there is a growing number of Americans that don't believe in evolution.

As well there is a shock number of people that believe that the tabliod newspapers and magazine are credible newssources.
Yeah everybody, this guy knows about credible newssources.

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Old 01-13-2004, 11:28 PM
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Old 01-13-2004, 11:50 PM
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I guess I'm in the 20% group, then, because I watch Fox News regularly and know the truth on all three of the "misperceptions" mentioned.
DZRose! I could quote you all through this thread! 100% in agreement!

Headlines and news rags like this should be identified as what they are IMHO, EDITORIALS PRESENTED AS NEWS! Anyone can write anything they want and screw with the numbers to SAY anything they want. Too bad FOX is a voice that they want killed.
There ARE people in this world who actually think about things and follow their beliefs BECAUSE they believe......NOT just because it's "popular" at the moment. Let's face it-Liberalism is the "cool" Hollywood attitude. Want to be a rebel-real anti establishment? Watch FOX.

The previous statement was an emotional outburst due to pressure brought on by wisdom teeth extraction and a BOYFRIEND (who she really likes) brought home for a "visit". It in no way reflects the way justamom may feel tomorrow.
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Old 01-14-2004, 09:58 AM
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DZRose! I could quote you all through this thread! 100% in agreement!

Headlines and news rags like this should be identified as what they are IMHO, EDITORIALS PRESENTED AS NEWS! Anyone can write anything they want and screw with the numbers to SAY anything they want. Too bad FOX is a voice that they want killed.
There ARE people in this world who actually think about things and follow their beliefs BECAUSE they believe......NOT just because it's "popular" at the moment. Let's face it-Liberalism is the "cool" Hollywood attitude. Want to be a rebel-real anti establishment? Watch FOX.

The previous statement was an emotional outburst due to pressure brought on by wisdom teeth extraction and a BOYFRIEND (who she really likes) brought home for a "visit". It in no way reflects the way justamom may feel tomorrow.
I think the numbers are probably quite accurate -- but I think the article is twisting around the information. They presented it as "People who watch Fox news are more inclined to support the war." In reality it's more like, "People who support the war are more inclined to watch Fox News."

It would be interesting to see if Fox had substantially more reports supporting these myths than, say, the newspapers -- I'm not sure the number would be THAT far apart (the major difference that I noticed this spring was that Fox and some of the major news networks would say things like "The WMDs have been found" whereas the newspapers would refer to them as "Barrels supposedly containing WMDs". I think the difference is that conservatives would tend to believe reports that support their viewpoint (example: "The WMDs have been found") whereas liberals will tend to say, "Okay, let's wait until tomorrow and see if they actually contain anything dangerous." The liberals were waiting for the follow-up report, which came a few days later and said "So actually, there weren't any WMDs in those barrels." The conservatives were not.

I do think that Fox News had a MAJOR problem with reporting things too soon before they had even been confirmed and then NOT reporting much when these "findings" were denounced -- but this is a problem all over the TV news, not just at Fox. The newspapers and magazines didn't have as much of a problem with this because they have time to edit articles when what's assumed to be true is proved false. Not so much with TV.

Now go take care of those wisdom teeth.
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Old 01-14-2004, 11:55 AM
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Headlines and news rags like this should be identified as what they are IMHO, EDITORIALS PRESENTED AS NEWS!
To add to this..

Has anyone else also notice growing trend of newspapers who actually put opinion pieces on the FRONT PAGE of the newspaper?? I don't know about you, but I'd like to read NEWS on the front page.
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Old 01-15-2004, 11:39 AM
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sugar and spice-"People who watch Fox news are more inclined to support the war." In reality it's more like, "People who support the war are more inclined to watch Fox News

I think that's a good description. You could probably substitute
"vote Republican" as well. It's funny how the tiniest example of semantics can change the interpretation!
I need to read the thread on wisdom teeth. It's the third day and son said it STILL hurts. He has to drive back tomorrow. Hope asprin can get him through.

kappaloo-Has anyone else also notice growing trend of newspapers who actually put opinion pieces on the FRONT PAGE of the newspaper?? I don't know about you, but I'd like to read NEWS on the front page.

YES!!! Our little paper is guilty of this. Pretty dismal.
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