RU-486

[Catwoman]

I think this world needs Jesus!!!

[LadyAKA]

I think the world most definitely does need Jesus but we need to be sensitive to what people here on earth want/need! Some women need this pill/want it for reasons we could never fathom!! I am not sure how it will react with your body but I am sure it was well researched. And though many women are striving to have children (I am one - not yet, can explain personally)
Anyway, though some of us are fighting to have children there are some women that are not ready and we have to afford them the choice to do as they choose. As long as they are not hurting you or interfering with your life then I say more power to the women that are brave enough to use this drug.

[LadyAKA]

Without getting to political you can tell I am pro-choice ... and before an uproar is started on the board, I do want to say that women should be responsible also!!! Don't ever lay down with a guy an expect not to wake up pregnant ... that is not how we are made, no drug/condom is 100% so of course abstinence is the key but we all know that incest, and rape and other such atrocities occur which is why I am pro choice!!!!

[Lynn Luckett]

I can understand using the pill for such atrocities. I cannot see using the pill for carelessness. Oooops I forgot to use a condom, damn I pregnant. This world is going nowhere fast. I agree we need Jesus!

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[Diva_56]

Originally posted by Catwoman:
I think this world needs Jesus!!!

I couldn't agree more... this Sunday at church we discussed this same issue... America's approving another method to kill unwanted babies, What happened to "One nation under GOD"? every day new measures are being approved to restrict and basically censor the Christian, now we approve of aborting babies and homosexuality... what have we come to?


Dazed and confused about the state of America and the world...

Diva_56

[Discogoddess]

I don't think aborting unborn children and someone's sexuality are in the same sphere...

And, IMO, the world, this nation, nor any people have EVER truly been in obedience of or under God...

[SkeeBunny]

I too am pro-choice (although abortion is not a personal option), but I do not approve of the use of this pill. I think that the counseling and support that women receive at an abortion clinic is sorely needed. Many women decide not to go through with the abortion after hearing of alternative options. Some just decide that they cannot deal with the grief and emotions that often follow an abortion. Allowing women to just pop a pill is just way too impulsive and irresponsible for me. The popping of a pill (birth control) should have have occurred much earlier in the scenario.

[BrandNubian]

Originally posted by Discogoddess:
I don't think aborting unborn children and someone's sexuality are in the same sphere...

And, IMO, the world, this nation, nor any people have EVER truly been in obedience of or under God...

Well said Discogoddess (as usual):

Someone's sexuality and aborting unborn children are not in the same sphere at all.

I myself am pro-choice. I don't know if I personally would be able to have an abortion, but it is not up to me, the government, anybody's religious/spiritual beliefs, etc. to dictate to anyone whether they should bring a child into the world.

This is so political...I can't even discuss all of my feelings about abortion right now.

Peace Love and Progression
B.N.

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-Me'shell Ndegeocello

[WenD08]

for the record, the RU 486 pill is not to be administered beyond the 1st trimester. secondly, those who wish to take this are to see their doctor several times over a 2 week period. this is not taken like an aspirin.
counseling will be made available since this is a method of abortion. those who are not pro-choice should note that the no. of abortions are going down. just b/c this method is now available doesn't mean there will be more.

[AKAtude]

Thank you for the additional information WenD08. I also heard on the news this morning that not just any physician can prescribe the pill. There are certain restrictions in place there as well.

[LadyAKA]

IMO means... just asking I have seen the acronym before but not sure of the original text... thanks

[Discogoddess]

IMO=In My Opinion.

And just riffing off of another topic (We Really Can Make a Difference), I think that the choice to have children should be something entered into reverently and seriously, not because a woman feels she has no other choice, or that she "wasn't raised that way," etc. The resulting children of unwanted pregnancies often find themselves dependent on unequipped, uneducated, unloving people who call themselves parents. Which is the greater evil? And who among us is prepared to assume the burden of raising these same children, even when we didn't birth them? I try to remember to keep these questions before me while contemplating the abortion issue.



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[SkeeBunny]

Thanks for enlightening me WenD08. I was not aware that counseling and medical care were measures taken with the dispensing of this pill. However, I still have major problems with the concept. Forgive my ignorance, but, without being too graphic, maybe someone can answer this for me. What happens to the fetus after the pill is taken. Doesn't it have to be "removed" somehow?

[Classy_Diva5]

I too am pro-choice, and even though this new pill has been passed, I don't think that many people know too much about the whole process of what to do when taking the pill.

This pill is an alternative to abortion, but in cases when the pill DOES NOT work, a clinical abortion must be administered. When the pill is taken and is effective, the fetus is expelled from the body in the form of a miscarriage-heavy bleeding,cramping, but you must go to the hospital to have the mucus and lining removed from the body (I hope that I'm not being too graphic). Then there is always the chance of infection previously, there is still no answer to the taking place, and like it was mentioned long-term effects that it has on the body.

Just a little info to help shed some light on this topic...

Classy_Diva5

[DELTABRAT]

Hello Ladies:

I hope no one minds me responding to this topic.

SkeeBunny, your question is a very good one.

RU486 is an artificial steroid that interferes with the action of progesterone, a hormone crucial to the early progress of
pregnancy. Progesterone stimulates the proliferation of the uterine lining which nourishes the developing child. It also
suppresses normal uterine contractions which could dislodge the child implanted and growing on the wall of the mother's womb.

RU486 fills the chemical receptor sites normally reserved for progesterone, but does not transmit the progesterone signal.
Sensing what appears to be a drop in progesterone, usually a sign that pregnancy has not occurred, a woman's body shuts down
the preparation of the uterus and initiates the normal menstrual process. The child, deprived of necessary nutrients, starves to
death. The baby detaches and is swept out of the body along with the decayed uterine lining.

So Ru-486 actually preempts the gestation of a fertilized egg. What comes out of a woman's body is typically similar to her menstrual period.

As we all know the most pertinent argument in the pro-life/pro-choice debate is when ACTUALLY does a life begin? And whether or not it depends on the viability of the fetus.
Or the stage at which the fetus can survive on its own outside the womb. During the stage in which the RU-486 is administered, the fertilized egg is not larger than a period on a page.

Despite the seemingly easy nature of discarding something so "small" there tends to be severe cramping and bleeding that may last for as long as 30 days. Women continue to see a physician for follow-ups to check for infection and other complications.

I hope this helps. I apologize if it was too harsh and cold sounding, also.

PEACE