quesion about IFC rules

UT SAE21 · #1 12-15-2003, 03:25 PM

I have a question that is in regards to someone who used to be a member of another fratertnity. We have a guy that is pledging in the spring that is a pretty cool kid a friends with most of us. He was up front that he was in another fraternity and showed us documentation that he is no longer a member. It goes something like this your name and address has been removed from our membership files. Good luck in your future endeavors. Now I know that just dissafiliating wouldnt allow him to pledge but but he left nationals as well so I would say he is legal. Anyone have any imput??

ADPiAkron · #2 12-15-2003, 03:35 PM

I know of someone who did this. He was an initiated member in a NIC fraternity and then transferred from his school to another. The NIC fraternity did not have a chapter at the new school and he wanted to have greek affiliation at the new school. Our greek advisor called and had him removed from his original NIC fraternity's books and he was then able to pledge and be initiated into the new NIC fraternity.

A recent discussion in the yahoo-group Sororityalumnae has been about this, but with sororities. I am not a huge fan of leaving one chapter and joining another. My chapter had a member that left one NPC group and tried to join another NPC group at a university nearby. I do not agree with it, but it is up to the chapter.

If these are both NIC fraternities, I would contact his previous chapter and find out information. There has to be a reason he left...and if he already gave you one....just call to find out what kind of member he was in general. Hope this helps!

hannahgirl · #3 12-15-2003, 03:40 PM

Was he initiated in the other fraternity? I'm not sure how IFC is but Panhellenic does not allow a woman, who has been initiated into a chapter and then terminates, to join another chapter because she has already been through the rituals of her original chapter. I'm pretty sure that IFC has the same rules.

You might want to ask your Coordinator of Greek Life on your campus....he/she would be able to give you the right answer.

sugar and spice · #4 12-15-2003, 03:41 PM

The NIC says . . .

If he gets a letter from his former fraternity headquarters that is sent to the headquarters of your fraternity that confirms that he is indeed no longer a member, it's fine if he joins your chapter. Just have him do that and he should be free to pledge.

The NPC does not allow double initiates under any circumstances -- the NIC is a bit more relaxed.

ADPiAkron · #5 12-15-2003, 03:42 PM

Thanks Sugar and Spice!

PiEp299 · #6 12-15-2003, 03:59 PM

Yeah, he is legal as long as your nationals get that letter. One of my pledge brothers was a member of another NIC fraternity and was allowed to join once nationals got that letter from the other fraternity.

the_beast · #7 12-15-2003, 06:19 PM

You may want to check with your national headquarters because each fraternity may have their own regulations on this situation.

Tom Earp · #8 12-15-2003, 06:28 PM

Usually, if a memember is and has been Initiated as a Brother of a NIC, it normally does not happen, but of course there exceptions to the rule! I think most would say hey, he has been through Ritual! Why do we want to release him? What, so he is going to a new school without a Chapter there. Big deal.

What happened to being a memember for life!

GeekyPenguin · #9 12-15-2003, 06:37 PM

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Originally posted by Tom Earp
Usually, if a memember is and has been Initiated as a Brother of a NIC, it normally does not happen, but of course there exceptions to the rule! I think most would say hey, he has been through Ritual! Why do we want to release him? What, so he is going to a new school without a Chapter there. Big deal.

What happened to being a memember for life!

What happened to being a member for life? He resigned. Your chapter never kicked out a brother? Oh wait, you posted that it has. I actually like the fact that NIC has this policy, and I wish it's something that NPC would allow. If he resigned his membership in Fraternity One, there is nothing to prevent Fraternity Two from taking him.

As for transferring to a school without your chapter: don't say it's easy until you've tried it. It's not a lot of fun to see other girls in their Bid Day shirts, squealing about their new pledges, talking about their mixer with SigEp, or dressing up on Founders' Day, and then being the only student out of 11,000 wearing your badge on your Founders' Day. It's not fun going from a place where you had 25 (or 250) sisters to cry to about a final to a place where you call them long distance only to realize they're in a chapter meeting. While I can't condone double initiates because there is an NPC bylaw against it, I certainly am in support of allowing it in certain situations. There are two sororities at Marquette I think I could be a very happy sister of, but I can't join them, and instead my only connection with my sorority is an alum chapter where the youngest member is 5 years older than me. Yes, she's my sister, but there's a big difference between changing your major and changing diapers. While I'm sure it would cause some problems, it would also prevent a lot of heartbreak.

sugar and spice · #10 12-15-2003, 06:45 PM

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Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
What happened to being a member for life? He resigned. Your chapter never kicked out a brother? Oh wait, you posted that it has. I actually like the fact that NIC has this policy, and I wish it's something that NPC would allow. If he resigned his membership in Fraternity One, there is nothing to prevent Fraternity Two from taking him.

As for transferring to a school without your chapter: don't say it's easy until you've tried it. It's not a lot of fun to see other girls in their Bid Day shirts, squealing about their new pledges, talking about their mixer with SigEp, or dressing up on Founders' Day, and then being the only student out of 11,000 wearing your badge on your Founders' Day. It's not fun going from a place where you had 25 (or 250) sisters to cry to about a final to a place where you call them long distance only to realize they're in a chapter meeting. While I can't condone double initiates because there is an NPC bylaw against it, I certainly am in support of allowing it in certain situations. There are two sororities at Marquette I think I could be a very happy sister of, but I can't join them, and instead my only connection with my sorority is an alum chapter where the youngest member is 5 years older than me. Yes, she's my sister, but there's a big difference between changing your major and changing diapers. While I'm sure it would cause some problems, it would also prevent a lot of heartbreak.

DITTO

And I love you.

That is all.

the_beast · #11 12-15-2003, 06:58 PM

If they transfer to a school with a different chapter, even if they dont get initiated into the new chapter, that chapter should still welcome them with open arms

Tom Earp · #12 12-15-2003, 06:59 PM

If you realize, he may have resigned, but he is still not released from his bonds! He may or may not be given a Letter of release.

If you also would realize, I stated that it can and might have happened!

Yes, there may be extinuating circumstances!

Just when did you become an expert on NIC?

I never said I was!

sugar and spice · #13 12-15-2003, 07:06 PM

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Originally posted by Tom Earp
If you realize, he may have resigned, but he is still not released from his bonds! He may or may not be given a Letter of release.

If the fraternity has said he's resigned as a member, what obligation does he have to the fraternity? The fraternity clearly has no obligation to him.

Tom Earp · #14 12-15-2003, 07:11 PM

Basicaly, He has Pledged himself by Honor Bound to accept the Rules of the Fraternity through Initiation.

It would be the same if You Associated with an Organizattion and became a Sister, then decided, OH, I dont want to be here any more. I want to be with XYZ instead!

I do not think that will happen.

I am never 100% right as I said, it does and has happened, it is just not the Norm!

sugar and spice · #15 12-15-2003, 07:24 PM

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Originally posted by Tom Earp
Basicaly, He has Pledged himself by Honor Bound to accept the Rules of the Fraternity through Initiation.

But if he decides to leave the fraternity or the fraternity decides that they don't want him anymore, he has no obligations to them. ESPECIALLY if the fraternity decides they don't want him as a member. Why should he have any obligations whatsoever to an organization who has decided that they don't want to have any obligations to him?

The policies for sororities are different and therefore not relevant to this discussion, although I'm not sure I agree with them even so.