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07-28-2003, 11:56 AM
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Does Abstinence-Only Sex Education Work?
Somewhat related to the "After Virginity" thread...
From http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/Re...ce030728.html#
Just Say No?
The Debate Over 'Abstinence-Only' Reaches New Level With Boost in Federal Spending
By Geraldine Sealey
July 28 — When the Abstinence Clearinghouse convention hit Las Vegas last month, the chastity-promoting group turned a Sin City tradition on its ear. Instead of the cards prostitutes use to sell their services, volunteers handed out cleaner versions: "Good girl" cards.
On one side are six wholesome young women, including a bride. Flip the card over and there are messages that condoms aren't always safe and that married people have more money, longer lives and better sex.
"We walk up to girls and guys and pass out cards about STDs. We feel they need to know how at risk they are," said Leslee Unruh, president of the Sioux Falls, S.D.-based Abstinence Clearinghouse. "These kids are out there and society is selling sex, sex, sex. Who's selling virginity? We are."
The Abstinence Clearinghouse was so happy with how good girl cards went over in Las Vegas that it's taking them to New Orleans, another city known for sin, Unruh said. Abstinence groups in Brazil have also inquired about the cards, she said.
Times are good for abstinence promoters like Unruh. With a booster in the White House, wait-until-marriage programs are flourishing in communities and school districts. Yet the debate over whether they work, or are merely the ideological tool of religious conservatives, rages on stronger than ever.
Abstinence Backers Hit Jackpot
President Bush has proposed spending $135 million on abstinence education next fiscal year, more than double spending from just five years ago.
This month, $15 million in new abstinence grants went out to community-based groups, faith-based organizations and school systems. And another round of abstinence grants will be made this fall.
In announcing the latest grants, Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson summed up the administration's approach to sex education: "When adolescents become sexually active, it can have negative effects on their physical and emotional health."
Federal and state governments have put more than $700 million into abstinence education since 1996, according to one estimate. More than one-third of U.S. high schools now teach abstinence until marriage and 700 abstinence programs exist nationwide.
Abstinence-only programs are becoming more common, even though polls have found that a large majority of Americans favor sex education programs that include information about birth control. A 1999 Kaiser Family Foundation poll showed 79 percent said schools should give students information about "birth control and safer sex."
Ideology vs. Science?
Opponents of abstinence-only programs have their own explanation for the trend.
"You've got a political and ideological agenda at play here," argues James Wagoner, president of Advocates for Youth. "Frankly, there's a lot of lack of awareness that has been exploited for a major ideological campaign that has nothing to do with public health. Young people have become a political football in the culture wars."
Advocates of sex education that includes birth control information say abstinence-only backers not only ignore public opinion, but defy scientific data as well.
Wagoner's group recently reviewed 25 years of existing research on 150 sex ed programs and found 19 that have been proven to reduce teen pregnancies and STDs or cause at least two beneficial changes in sexual risk behaviors.
Despite their proven effectiveness, Wagoner said, none of the sex education programs are eligible for federal funding because they include information about condoms and contraception — even though 12 of the programs promote abstinence by delaying sexual initiation.
Teen sexual activity and pregnancy rates both declined over the 1990s, but these declines happened before the federal government's significant investment in abstinence-only-until-marriage programs, Wagoner adds.
Teens and the Failure Rate
But abstinence-only supporters say those who push condoms on teenagers underestimate the effectiveness of wait-until-marriage messages as well as the harmful effects of premarital sex on teenagers.
Adolescents need to understand that no birth control method is 100 percent effective, they say, especially when used by teens, who are more likely to use them incorrectly.
Take birth control pills, says Dr. Patricia Sulak, an obstetrician/gynecologist and contraceptive researcher. Virtually foolproof birth control when used right, teens experience failure rates with the pill of up to 30 percent, she said.
And condoms, which in the general population fail to prevent pregnancy up to 16 percent of the time, are "horrible" for teens, Sulak said. "These people are out there telling kids just use a condom. Are they crazy? There are no data that show condoms are the answer," she said.
Sulak also serves as the medical director of the Scott & White Sex Education Program, which advocates abstinence for teens and has developed a sex education curriculum used by more than 30 school districts called "Worth the Wait."
"Worth the Wait" does not talk about religion or morality, Sulak says — it talks about facts. "When kids have sex early, bad things can and do happen," she said. "I'm not anti-contraception, but even the really good ones fail. We give [teens] that information."
Premarital Sex or Purity Beads?
But critics maintain not enough information is being shared with kids.
To be eligible for millions in federal dollars, programs must satisfy stringent criteria, including having abstinence promotion as the sole purpose, teaching that not having sex until marriage is the only way to avoid unwed pregnancy and diseases, and stating that "a mutually-faithful monogamous relationship in the context of marriage is the expected standard of human sexual activity."
For those who say they want a more comprehensive approach to sex ed, these requirements are a bit much.
"No one would tell young people that," said Adrienne Verrilli of the Sexuality Information and Education Council of the United States, a group that supports abstinence education that includes information about birth control and condoms. "I don't think in the face of HIV and STDs that that's the message we should send to young people. It doesn't mean they won't have sex. They'll just have sex without a condom."
While the debate rages on over whether the abstinence-only message can prevent pregnancy and disease, the pro-chastity brigade is hitting the beaches. This time, they're toting "purity beads" — an antidote for the beads girls apparently get in some "spring break" communities for losing their virginity in the sun and sand. Girls who take the purity beads agree to stay chaste.
Amid conflicting signals, Unruh of the Abstinence Clearinghouse says such education campaigns can help young people make the right decision.
"Mostly the girls that take them are virgins and it sends them a strong message that they're doing the right thing," she said. "We met a young girl who is 14 years old. She went to a local place to get birth control pills and bought a thong bikini and was planning to lose her virginity. It's not that controversial. Many are grateful."
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Personally, I think abstinence-only programs are a horrible idea. My friend in law school was telling me about a debate she had in class about this, and a friend of hers told her about these kids she talked to who had abstinence-only sex ed. The girl had gotten pregnant because she thought that her boyfriend drinking large amounts of Mountain Dew (rumored to lower sperm counts) would be effective birth control. They didn't know anything about condoms, the pill, etc. Just goes to show that a) kids are going to have sex, even if you tell them that abstinence is the best way to avoid pregnancy, STDs, etc., b) you can't just assume that they're going to know how to protect themselves, and c) yeah, some people are really that stupid.
So, what do you think? Are these abstinence-only programs a good idea?
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07-28-2003, 12:04 PM
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My sister was the head instructor for an Abstinence Education program back a couple years ago, in which I was a forced volunteer. It actually lowered the pregnancy rate by 40% in the schools that she did teach this at. However, it really depends on the instructor, money, area, and technique. My sis had taught majority of it as "Abstinence Only", but showed some grusome photos of STD ridden genitalia  , had some teen moms & dads come in and talk, and a lawyer to talk to the guys about their duties financially as a "dad". But, she also did speak of using protection and etc.
I figure if you have the proper techinque and instructor it can succeed, if not, it's not going to work at all. But that's just my take.
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I also am not a fan of abstinence-only programs. It's not that I don't believe in abstinence; I really do. I think that abstinence works for some... but it definitely doesn't work for most teenagers. And yes, condoms aren't foolproof, birth control isn't foolproof- but if you're going to have sex, you are obviously much better off with contraception than without it. If kids don't know about contraception, REALLY KNOW about it, they aren't going to use it correctly.
The abstinence programs through the church (True Love Waits, for example) are, in my opinion, even less effective than school abstinence programs. They want you to sign these cards when you're 12 or 13 years old. Now some people may start having sex then, but I know at 13, I WAS planning to wait until marriage. Things change. A promise that you made when you were 13 holds very little concern to a 17 year old. Plus there's very little reinforcement of the concept of abstinence other than the same TLW program year after year, once a year.
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07-28-2003, 12:22 PM
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The abstinence programs through the church (True Love Waits, for example) are, in my opinion, even less effective than school abstinence programs. They want you to sign these cards when you're 12 or 13 years old. Now some people may start having sex then, but I know at 13, I WAS planning to wait until marriage. Things change. A promise that you made when you were 13 holds very little concern to a 17 year old. Plus there's very little reinforcement of the concept of abstinence other than the same TLW program year after year, once a year.
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Good grief, half the boys in my class still thought girls were yucky when they were 13. They would have probably been like "whoo hoo! sign me up!"
Seriously, I think these types of programs only hasten too-early marriage. The kids get married early so they can have sex, pop out a couple babies, and then wake up one day and realize they've missed being young. By then there are children's lives that will be thrown into disarray if the parents decide to separate or divorce.
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07-28-2003, 12:51 PM
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I'll be the voice of dissent, here.
We didn't have sex education at ALL in my high school. Not a word. We didn't even have the little filmstrips in e-school that explained what parts boys have and what parts girls have or why we menstrate
Yet none of us, as far as I know, are still unaware of what a penis is or where babies come from. Because our school left it up to the PARENTS. I firmly beleive this is where sex ed should come from. I'm not sure if the local church had any programs (I wasn't a member). All I know is that I don't remember a single teenage pregnancy in my high school that wasn't within a marriage (and yes, kids did get married in my high school, it was a farming community and kids often left school early, got married, and took over their parents farms).
I had my reunion about a year ago, and not a single one of those couples was divorced. Not a single one regrets it. We talked about how different our school was than those of others we met after leaving town, and all agreed that if we'd been taught sex ed we probably would have been having sex. Granted, most of us didn't wait until marriage, and I don't see a problem with that. But it DID cause us to wait until we were significantly older and able to make more mature decisions.
Disclaimer: Okay, I realize that 400 person high school in a farming town is going to be significantly different in culture than a big city, and perhaps the results of our non-education would have been different in a larger city. I'm only speaking from my experience.
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07-28-2003, 01:02 PM
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Seriously, I think these types of programs only hasten too-early marriage. The kids get married early so they can have sex, pop out a couple babies, and then wake up one day and realize they've missed being young. By then there are children's lives that will be thrown into disarray if the parents decide to separate or divorce.
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Exactly. I think that in this situation, the people who get screwed most of all are young women who probably more often than not end up divorced and left with the kids. What kind of lives do they have then? I don't think that promoting marriage ever has good consequences. Why encourage young people to hurry into something that is so difficult?
Of course if you have sex you're taking certain risks, but I think the best way to help kids make wise decisions is to educate them to all of the options and possibilities. I truly believe that Bush's obsession with abstinence only programs is almost entirely based on Christian principles, which in my opinion have absolutely no place in public schools.
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07-28-2003, 01:54 PM
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I wrote a 20 page term paper on this, but I will try and be brief and sum up some points:
*Studies have shown that teens in other countries (Sweden, Norway, etc) have significantly lower teen pregnancy rates than we do - and they have more sex! They have comprehensive programs.
*Like valkyrie said, a lot of Bush's push of these programs is based on Christian values, not on what works.
*Teens who have abstinence only programs and do end up having sex won't use protection, because a lot of abstinence only programs mislead you on birth control failure rates or tell you that family planning will work. What kind of kid has a normal cycle?
I'm really opposed to these programs - I certainly don't condone children having sex, but if they are going to do it, they need to be informed. Yes, the responsibility should fall with the parent, but a lot of parents don't do their jobs because a lot of chickens have kids. If a school is going to bother to have the program, they need to educate people on all their options.
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07-28-2003, 02:11 PM
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I know a few of people who went to religious schools and received abstinence only training. Most of them had kids early. One genius guy who is my age (23) has a five and six year old.
Abstinence only training (that I have seen) seems to emphasize a sense of guilt and shame about sex, especially for girls, which is a great way to make people do it as unsafely as possible because they are just too embarassed to ask questions that they should.
And those poor girls will never have a good orgasm.
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07-28-2003, 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by Ginger
(and yes, kids did get married in my high school, it was a farming community and kids often left school early, got married, and took over their parents farms).
Holy crap!!!
Because our school left it up to the PARENTS. I firmly beleive this is where sex ed should come from.
Disclaimer: Okay, I realize that 400 person high school in a farming town is going to be significantly different in culture than a big city, and perhaps the results of our non-education would have been different in a larger city. I'm only speaking from my experience.
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Yes, this would be WAY different in other schools. I teach in an "urban" school and I don't even trust the parents to feed the kids! We have kids with rotting teeth, lice, malnutrition, etc. So personal health is not valued.
Plus, half the kids in my school have parents that are younger than I am (25). I teach K-6. They have to get extra teachers at Kindergarten orientation and graduation to help curb the "baby's mama drama" when multiple dads show up for their kids' stuff and there is only one mom that they all came from! The only sex ed they get from their parents is if they accidentally walk in on someone!
Personally, I am a supporter of abstinence as a method of protecting yourself from physical and emotional turmoil. I am married and he is my only one ever!
BUT, damned if my parents didn't tell me EVERYTHING there was to know about sex, birth-control, diseases, etc. They made SURE all three of us kids knew how to protect ourselves if we decided to have sex even though they hoped we didn't (my mom used to teach Lamaze, Breastfeeding and parenting classes and she is a Labor and Delivery nurse. So I heard stories of teenage or pre-teen  moms coming in having kids, people with diseases, etc. I was almost given TOO MUCH info!
Anyway, that is how I feel. I will teach my kids (someday) that waiting is best but that you should be smart and use protection if you decide to take the next step  I don't want grandchildren until I am actually OLD!
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07-28-2003, 02:42 PM
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I'll try to keep this brief...
I think that we are doing our children a disservice by not teaching them all aspects of sex. I firmly agree with abstinance, and the world would probably be a lot better place if people waited 'til they were out of high school to have sex, but the truth of the matter is that kids are going to have sex, no matter what we tell them to do.
Abstinance programs work on a basis of fear and shame. I grew up in a very Christian household, and the one thing I knew about sex was that I couldn't talk to my parents about it. Fortunately, I had a friend who lent me a copy of the Guide To Getting It On. When I did decide that I was ready, I knew enough to go to Planned Parenthood and get the Pill and a bunch of condoms. Four years later my mother still thinks I'm a virgin.
One thing that comprehensive sex-ed programs teach is that talking about this stuff is necessary and okay. We actually discussed how to ask a guy to put on a condom, how to talk with a potential partner about getting tested, etc. They did scare the pants off of us with films of live births, stories of teenagee mothers, and photos of disease-ridden genitalia, and they told us that the only foolproof way to prevent the physical and emotional side-effects of sex was not to have it. However, they were realistic in their expectations.
Lesson number one: Ignoring it won't make it go away.
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07-28-2003, 02:43 PM
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I don't buy this bit of Good Girl cards...that married people are happier, live healthier lives and make more money. People can lose their virginity and still obstain from sex and lead healthy, happy lives.
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07-28-2003, 03:08 PM
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For the most part, Abstinence programs, as much as we'd like them to work go against human nature. It's no wonder that we have so much teen pregnancy and what not in this country because a lot (not all) parents seem to be taking a much less active role in the lives of their children, and would rather be best friends with their kids than parents.
Well here's a note to those parents: DUMBA$$ES, your kids have enough darn friends, be a parent. And to those parents who think that high school kids are "on their own" because they are old enough to make adult decisions: WAKE UP! They aren't old enough.
In my Health Science class this year(for the lovely teaching credential program at my university) we learned that while the pregnancy rate for teens is going down in the US, it's not because less kids are having sex, it's because more of them are getting chlamydia, which has few if any signs, and is nicknamed the silent sterilizer.
Did you know that in countries like Denmark and the Netherlands who both have comprehensive sex education starting from kindergarten, both relatively liberal nations sexually, have higher ages for onset of sexual activity than here? It's not that they are teaching kindergarteners how to have sex, they start with talking about "good touch" "bad touch" kind of things and continue with age appropriate education. While in my heart, it would be nice to think that my 14 year old sister will be abstinent, I know the reality of the world and the pressures. I just hope that her mom and my dad(she's a half sis, but whatever) and myself have been open enough with her for her to make an educated and smart decision.
Along those lines, how many of you ever read the book "Where did I come from?" I actually learned a lot from that book as a kid.
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In my school system, we weren't allowed to be taught safe sex, only abstinence. I can count on two hands how many teen pregnancies there were and this was in a good area with boatloads of rich kids. We were taught about STDs and whatnot, but the same thing was repeated over and over: don't do it. We even had those baby dolls that woke us up in the middle of the night and that didn't really deter anyone from having sex.
I do believe that parents should instill the values of safe sex and abstinence in their children, not the schools. Of course, I'm 20 and neither of my parents has even uttered the word 'sex' in my presence. I found out on my own, as did most of the people I know. I'd love to work for a program that teaches safe sex because kids are gonna do it even if you tell them not to. Might as well make sure they're protected!
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Oh, one more thing I forgot to add.
With better nutrition and greater economic development, people are starting puberty earlier and marrying later. So if you say that your average girl starts puberty around 12, that's anywhere from ten to twenty years before she marries. Ditto for the boys.
No wonder our kids are confused.
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Abstinence only training (that I have seen) seems to emphasize a sense of guilt and shame about sex, especially for girls, which is a great way to make people do it as unsafely as possible because they are just too embarassed to ask questions that they should.
And those poor girls will never have a good orgasm.
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Ain't that the truth? I've never met a fundie who wasn't frigid...
Abstinence-only sex ed doesn't teach girls to treasure their sexual selves in ways other than abstaining. They aren't taught how to protect themselves from disease or pregnancy--if they respond to their very natural urges, they are made to feel dirty and ashamed of something completely natural. I know that no birth control is 100% foolproof, but I'd rather have 95% than nothing. I grew up with kids who signed the TLW plegde (our very public high school sponsored it) who have had multiple children with multiple men, suffered from various STDs, and whatnot--and these are kids from great homes! Their parents just didn't talk with them about sex.
This is why REALISTIC (ie, abstinence as one of many options) sex education must be taught in schools. Like others have said before, disease and teenage pregnancy prevention isn't Bush's first concern with abstinence-only education--it's merely part of his faith-based initiatives. So many kids DO NOT have parents who are willing to teach them basic health practices, and some are just hostile to the idea (for example, a girl who is being abused by one or both parents). It is our responsibility to teach future generations to protect themselves.
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